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Davidtcf
post Feb 10 2022, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(viperflame @ Feb 10 2022, 07:18 PM)
saw the post before it got deleted.. the nbtd  fella:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=1051503

still have OP’s face on it.. Oi f**ker u bodo ke ape? Niamah never teach u not to simply post ppl’s pic on the internet?? So free post your own face let us see la? F**king sorhai fella.
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Thanks.. sad that mod didn’t take the necessary action.
Not sure what’s his problem. Got issue come argue/debate with me like a real man at the forum, not harass people via their personal pic. This is not kopitiam section for you to do such things.

Edit: He deleted the pic. Case closed.

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post Feb 13 2022, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 12 2022, 06:15 AM)
Guys are u uya going to withdraw if ukraine russia war broke out? Seems like inevitable
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Buy for long term hodl not short term. This is not crypto trading lol.

I’d only sell if a meteor gonna hit US, or some major catastrophe capable to destroying or greatly damage the whole US. (Or any part of the world where your portfolio is located)

This is some small war between Ukraine and Russia. (Don’t think any of us buy Ukraine or Russia shares) Even if Russia wins they will get hit with all sort of sanctions and penalty by western countries. They are already poor AF and by doing this, they are only asking for more trouble upon themselves.


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post Feb 15 2022, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Feb 15 2022, 02:51 PM)
Just sharing a Kenanga new robo to you all peeps, with 'global' ETF seems

Kenanga Debuts Its AI-Driven Robo-Advisor

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Opening my account now, have fun trying it out all  smile.gif
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Wah, 3% fixed interest rate sounds gooding.. they can maintain such payout? Some more state 0 fee at their registration site for KDI Save.

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From now till end of the year, KDI Save offers a market leading 3.0% fixed interest rate.

Meanwhile, KDI Invest allows customers to grow their wealth with access to global investment opportunities through US-listed Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) at competitive fees.

Kenanga added that the KDI Invest offering is free for investments below RM3,000 while investors above that limit will be charged a management fee between 0.3% to 0.7% per annum,.


"free" for funds below RM3k for KDI Invest.. maybe to encourage more people to top up beyond that amount.
Charges above RM3k - 0.3 to 0.7% likely depending on amount invested. Good to see another Stashaway competitor incoming biggrin.gif
they mentioned we can pick which allocation we want - seems to copy Syfe's formula.

will wait till product launch to see how good they are thumbup.gif

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post Feb 15 2022, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Feb 15 2022, 06:22 PM)
Just curious for mutual funds, they have a mechanism where you can transfer your holdings from A to B. So for ETF it is the same? E.g so many Msian SA investors say this newbie appear, SA investor can transfer their SA ETF over to this newbie? Or the typical way, investors sell off from SA and then buy in at the newbie ?
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No not possible to transfer from SA to Kenanga. They are robo advisors both have their own management fees.

Only if you buy stocks or ETF from broker can you request for transfer. Provided both brokers got the same offering e.g. Both brokers also can buy and sell CSPX. Example of a broker is IBKR, Tiger broker, Rakuten Trade etc.

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post Feb 17 2022, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(genesic @ Feb 17 2022, 01:28 AM)
there is one thread actively dicussing this KDI Save and Invest. more like a open money market fund discussion but they also start showing interest in this KDI.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4962773
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problem is don't know what KDI Invest investing in.. what are the underlying ETFs for each risk %.
They didn't disclose it when buying or if user want to check beforehand.

From the way they design the menu can see they copying Stashaway formula.. but interface etc still way behind SA.

Someone posted there that they will reveal the ETFs only in the monthly statement. sweat.gif So hope it will perform...

For KDISave also dunno what they investing in to get the 3% returns. Lol. sweat.gif

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post Feb 18 2022, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 18 2022, 05:24 PM)
Not really useful for observing long term effects, this kind of news maybe cause some reactionary volatility (key word: maybe) but not a big impact. Unless there's news of trade sanctions, political instability or regulatory changes, investors are hardly going to actually move based on sporting events 😅
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It's about the current administration and what type of iron grip they are practicing within China. Together with their incompetence yet refusing to let the news leak out to the world.

Just for folks who hold on to kweb to know. Or thinking of investing more in it.
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post Feb 20 2022, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 20 2022, 10:20 AM)
In fact he will extend and tighten his reign this year for life and won’t even step down till they he dies so you just dream on  doh.gif
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Yes this. Read the news about him removing the term limit as president. Basically he can rule China now till he dies, unless if the politburo sack him or he steps down himself.

Bear market usually end up with bull market. For KWEB no one knows if there will ever be a bull as long Xi emperor still reigns. Price might go up a bit then dive.. End up more negative than positive gains after a year. (Just guessing based on historical chart, I can't see the future)

US market we know for sure it will end up in bull. And usually not long after a bear market. Only if got some major world disaster or some crazy event only this might change. So far things still normal, world also getting use to Covid already. Fed raising interest rate is not new.. Happened many times in the past and each time it affected the stock market in the short term.

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post Feb 20 2022, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 20 2022, 12:36 PM)
No way the politburo would sacked him as filled by Xi loyalists and most his opponents has been retired, step down, sacked, jailed, sentenced or death various so called crime said like corruption  doh.gif

If you look the best example of current bear market the last time Russia’s annexed Crimea market was jittery and it was over the next month and it resumed bull trend for the rest year and oil fell after that to 70 so we might see similar pattern again soon probably by May
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Yea that makes it even harder to remove him. Consolidation of power with an iron grip.

US market also depends what Fed will announce in coming months. They plan to increase interest rates 7-8 times in 2-3 years. Say only la reality not sure yet. So probability of market heading lower could happen. But for sure once this interest rate thing dies down, market will recover and likely keep bull run after that. Take it as a good time to gather more US stocks and ETFs due to discounts.

Hope Russia don't go to war also.. This could trigger market volatility if they really attack Ukraine.

QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Feb 20 2022, 02:29 PM)
you can try ESG... seems to track S&P500 (slightly diluted bcos it has bond and not 100% equities to reduce volatility. also may slightly underperform as it'll pick the eco-friendly companies)
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Yes recommend this also for Stashaway General Investing. Focus more on US and developed markets. thumbup.gif no KWEB inside.

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post Feb 21 2022, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Feb 21 2022, 03:35 PM)


Ben Felix argues AGAINST ESG investing in this vid. Basically you may risk overpaying for the stocks underneath because by the time you get it, you are already too late.
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good video..
it's a personal decision then, whether you're ok with KWEB in the normal General Investing portfolio, or ESG option.

if want the most control and don't want either, then DIY investing via IBKR to choose the ETFs you like. laugh.gif

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post Feb 24 2022, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(kmmsa @ Feb 24 2022, 08:25 AM)
same as mine bro  bruce.gif and I started early 2021 with RM500. with the US stock market booming in 2021 shouldnt it led to to much higher returns ??? but it never went beyond RM520 , tapi drop banyak banyak ada in the end, still red now. just leave there la one day only cash out
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coz of the fund manager's unwavering faith in KWEB:



last year it did not perform well (when US high bull market), and this year likely will do worse (due to US bear market and Xi still not changing his ways).

Non stop regulatory crackdown on tech firms will scare away investors. KWEB ETF are made up of tech stocks:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/fresh-f...out-2022-02-22/

hopefully ESG General Investing in Stashaway will do better, or another alternative is Kenanga Invest (dunno what they investing in yet; need people to share statements).

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post Feb 24 2022, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(CoolStoryWriter @ Feb 24 2022, 04:02 PM)
Guys any thoughts of stashaway withstanding the world war 3 (Russia Ukraine)?

I think it's gonna bear for quite some time. Am scared
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NATO and US dont have to assist in the war as Ukraine not officially in NATO.
I'd guess they will impose Russia many sanctions to make them stop the attacks and withdraw.

War is bad for everybody.. if Russia start attacking EU countries like France, Germany then I would be scare.. right now they just invading a country that was once part of Russia.
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post Feb 24 2022, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 24 2022, 05:00 PM)
actually why the war lol

sorry i too busy with my work till outdated kaw kaw ad
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Russia hand itchy want to "force" back Ukraine into its borders.

Ukraine once was part of USSR, but they broke away after USSR fell.
Then they even almost joined NATO, but somehow later withdrew from joining. This caused a big riot in the country as its residents want to join NATO.

Russia then see this as a threat.. they can't take it if Ukraine join NATO.. as an attack on NATO country will force all NATO countries to defend it. So they decided to make a move first before this becomes reality.

But I think biggest reason is Ukraine has many natural resources (like oil), and is an important trading hub:
https://www.eia.gov/international/analysis/country/UKR

Many countries like US and EU already tried talking to Putin.. but in the end all failed to change his mind to attack.
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post Feb 24 2022, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 24 2022, 06:21 PM)
If Russia steps over to EU, it will lead to WW3.
Ukraine was not part of Russia. It was part of USSR. So was Georgia, etc.
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Ok more accurate is USSR. Soviet Russia in the past.

QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 24 2022, 06:35 PM)
Just replace the word "Russia" with China
Then replace the word "Ukraine" with Taiwan.

😭😭 I am heavy in Greater China now..

This is going to be a lesson to be learnt to have a feel of how it will end with Taiwan too
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I will still die2 avoid investing in China as long Emperor Xi still in power. We can see all his belang liao. Invading Taiwan likely to happen. He just waiting for the right time.

One day a more open minded China president takes over.. Who is more modern and democratic.. Then ok will put some money into China. They can still be communists, as long help businesses and their people there to thrive and succeed.

QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 24 2022, 07:16 PM)
Sanctions proven useless as Putin have enough reserves to last him another 4 years  doh.gif
Why Russia wanted Nord Stream 2 in the 1st place

It is to circumvent and not paying Ukraine USD1billion yearly for passing oil through them

If Biden STFU and let the EUros handle this matter we would know how come to what happened today  doh.gif
Only for female only To help bridge the gender investing gap, we’re offering all women on our platform 2 years of free investing  doh.gif
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Yea once again related to oil. Putin must have weighted the pros and cons carefully before deciding to do this. He is a smart person based on interviews and past videos on him. But also not to be trusted seeing how he twist and turns his words to suit the situation.

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Feb 25 2022, 12:30 PM)
time to refine my thoughts after that initial input by someone in this thread that monthly salary deposits are actually "lump sum time in the market"

so here's my updated thoughts
if you deposit RM100-500 after gaji masuk on 1st of the month. that's lump sum deposit

however, if you spread it out. e.g., RM20 daily, that's DCA of your monthly salary. so you won't be depositing all on first day and then market drop on day 3. (what's the minimum for SA to trigger buy order? RM20? RM50?)

of course. if you already had RM1,000 or RM10,000 in, DCA that RM100-500 won't mean much
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Just watched this video yesterday by Ben Felix.



He got mention about lump sum and DCA. In the end it doesn't matter. Better to invest than to not invest.

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post Feb 25 2022, 01:07 PM

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Also Stashaway got Monthly and Quarterly recurring deposit only. Going to be hard to try to make it 4 times a month.

You'll need to create 4 such recurring deposits on different dates in order to execute such a DCA.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 9 2022, 12:41 PM)
If investors knows about etfs, select their own etfs, n their own allocation to suits their own portfolio preference... Why go for SA when SA has annual mgmt fees?
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Extra option for them. Not everyone likes to go through Wise or CIMB SG then to IBKR just to buy some ETFs. Some want shortest way possible minus hassle. As long they see growth they happy, they don’t mind paying some fees.

Also use robo tools like SA can Auto deposit mthly also. The initial fees are much less than when transfer using Wise.. one time see fees 30-50 bucks easily when transfer large amounts of money via Wise. However where u save here is long term for management fees. IBKR don’t have yearly fee like SA.

So both sides also got interested users. Depends what one likes.

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 9 2022, 01:01 PM)
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if wanna know which is more worth it. Calculate fees by Stashaway a year based on your total investment. Then compare with Wise:
https://www.stashaway.my/pricing

For Wise Fees they transparent also for both FX rate and transfer fee:
https://wise.com/my/send-money/

Did an example below via Wise:

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Then in IBKR got some minor fees. But all these fees only paid during buy or sell orders:

UK fees (if buy Irish Domiciled ETFs these will apply):
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US fees (scroll down got some other fees but all are super low):
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But of course DIY more steps and some people find it confusing or lazy to do it.
If you really push yourself to do it, once use to it will find it easy since all the account and transfer information already saved in your favorites. Wise will save your IBKR details after the first transfer.
Then they will give excuse they lazy monitor.. if you invest DIY long term, you don't need monitor much the first place if you pick the good stocks / ETFs. Just read news once a while to ensure you know what's going on in the world. If buy individual stocks then more work as you need to keep up to date as to how the company doing (example later CEO die affected company). Check portfolio once a month also ok. Hardworking will give you more edge in investing laa.. wanna earn money ma. sweat.gif
Keep checking and kanchiong not a good thing also as it might trigger you to sell and make losses. When investing need to keep your emotions in check.

Stashway pros also is got roboadvisor/fund manager help u do rebalance.. but some apps like Stashaway you have no control over what they choose to invest in, just need to follow the flow (this is why if can choose which ETFs might attract some people).

Also if use Wise transfer to IBKR, need to keep receipts also in case IBKR auditor ask, since you're using Wise which is a 3rd party to send money to IBKR. Need to prove to them that it is your savings and not illegal funds. I save all my receipts using Dropbox cloud, so phone can access anytime if they ask.

TLDR; DIY invest via IBKR cheaper, but more steps and higher learning curve, wanna buy/sell everything ownself control. Stashaway fees more expensive if compounded yearly over many years, but easy to execute buy/sell. Also Stashaway help you rebalance once a while.

oh and if you're buying ETFs, do note that ETFs also got fund managers, they will rebalance for that particular are that the ETF invests in. Example S&P500 they will rebalance between those 500 US companies in S&P depending on their performance. Imo I feel this is good enough if you choose the good ETFs. smile.gif

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 9 2022, 03:09 PM)
thumbup.gif thanks for the detailed input...
in short ,...just in simple direct terms...
let say if one were to invest example RM50k~100k in to SA VS into IKBR which one lower cost to have and hold for about 5 yrs?
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Yes, IBKR will surely be cheaper, no matter the amount put in. DIY is always more cost effective.
There are no short term investment tools in Stashaway, so if long term IBKR wins.
Check Ziet Invest youtube video for the steps if interested.. just search "IBKR" at his videos.

QUOTE(sgh @ Mar 9 2022, 03:18 PM)
For a 50K~100K I think IBKR will be lower cost since you incur only upon buy,sell whereas for SA they charge monthly fees. But via IBKR you lost the robo re-balancing feature with the assumption the robo algorithm is good. But this market correction seem to hint the so called highly sold concept of their proprietary algorithm very smart is being bring into question haha.
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Stashaway is a business.. they use all sort of ways to make you buy into their idea. In the end what matters most to them are those fees which keeps them running.

Best do own research on what's best for your money. Can use robo like Stashaway, but be sure to know where your money is going with them.

I more interested in Robo to help me with inflation hedge and conservative portfolio.. right now I'm impressed most with MyTheo.
For Stashaway I want to avoid KWEB completely, if they give me a choice to do that then I might consider.

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post Mar 14 2022, 10:55 AM

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News for those betting on KWEB. They don't look good:

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/new-gov...se%20of%20their

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/11/us-delistin...-companies.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/10/these-chine...he-decline.html
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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 14 2022, 10:57 AM)
Freddy last time actually said the US delisting is nothing to worry about because KWEB can just shift to HK.

Unless US delisting can hurt their valuation further.
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delisting will definitely hurt.. US stock market is more attractive especially for Americans to invest in. Also if i'm an American and I read news China companies not being transparent enough - causing the delisting.. I'd definitely stay away from all China stocks on the US market.

Also adding on the pressure of regulations from China's gov. KWEB will end up getting a double whammy effect.

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