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post Jan 5 2020, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Bilvinduet @ Jan 5 2020, 04:07 PM)
I've been looking around and considering this. But from briefly reading this thread it looks like a lot of people are playing around with relatively small amounts for this. Is this safe for larger investments?
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What's your definition of large? And what do you mean by safe? Do you have doubts about the market or the company itself?
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post Jan 11 2020, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(juliusglc @ Jan 11 2020, 12:14 PM)
hello everyone,

Ive got a noobish question to ask,dont flame me for this and i would really appreciate an informative answer on this.Just information, no hate.

Ive been using stash away for the past 3 months.money weighted return is -0.63%(losing money) and the market is basically stagnant on my initial investing capital(Goes up and down around the basic capital but never goes beyond).Risk index is currently 18% on a balanced portfolio.Ive tried a high risk portfolio for about 2 weeks and that didn't end up well.

The reason im testing stash away is so that i can test its short-term and long term ROI as i am trying to diversify my personal financial portfolio.Ive heard of people investing and at most getting about 6-8% ROI per annum (10% if ur lucky). So why not just deposit into REIT or EPF since the estimated ROI above 6-8%.Whats the point of going long term when the ROI is below these 2 portfolios.

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The market has been doing exceptionally well these past several months especially in Dec, it's almost impossible not to make money... did you set your risk level too low when you got started? Bonds are not doing great.

About why not deposit in EPF, the problem is you cannot take your money out until you're 55 right? And the ROI at 10% is better than EPF at 6%, also we're hedging against ringgit by investing in USD.

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post Jan 11 2020, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(juliusglc @ Jan 11 2020, 12:46 PM)
Thank you for the reply

Im sorry to say that it was indeed possible to lose money during december.My risk level is 18% and Ive actually attempted to increase the risk up to 20+ percent before but it didn't work up well as i just kept losing more capital.I did make some cash during december but it was pretty insignificant, maybe about 0.8% or something which i eventually lost during january.

But thats not the question im asking.Im starting to wonder what's the point of investing at stash away when there are other more stable choices like EPF and REIT with more or less similar ROI (return of investment).Ive actually heard of some people earning less than FD after a year of using stash away.Yes i do understand that there is a lock in for EPF,so thats why im diversifying, however im starting to wonder if stash away is a good option to diversify my personal portfolio as this is the first time im trying a robo-advisor.

So after some practical experience using this app im starting to doubt whether its a worth while investment in the long run.Maybe someone can share their experience in using this app in the long term.

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I'm having good experience with SA so far after a year. For me it's a great alternative to EPF because of the reasons I mentioned.

There's risk to any type of investment outside of EPF & FD. I guess it requires a certain amount of faith & luck to see success.

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post Jan 11 2020, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(neverfap @ Jan 11 2020, 01:42 PM)

We are actually not investing in StashAway itself but the ETF selected by them.

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Exactly. The market is the market is the market. SA is just a service that makes it easy to invest in US ETF.

I invest in US ETF simply because I see value in it in the long run. I'm not confident in Malaysian market nor the ringgit as compare to the US market & USD. This is what I truly believe in and nobody could convince me otherwise because I can see it clearly based the historical data. And I love the idea of owning a tiny itsy bitsy piece of FANG (FB, Amazon, Netflix & Google) & Gold ETF. Why not right?

Heck, now with with cryptocurrency, I cant even say I'm that confident in Fiat currency anymore, but that's another story for another day.

Invest in what you deem valuable in the future I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
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post Jan 27 2020, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(happyhaka @ Jan 27 2020, 05:46 PM)
Hey guys, I want to get started on Stashaway. Thinking of RM10k to start then 1k/ month commitment. What's your thoughts on this?
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Sounds like a plan, what is your concern? If you want to minimize the risk then you could split the 10k to 10 months, like RM1k every 2 weeks until the end of this year.
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post Feb 12 2020, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Feb 12 2020, 03:08 PM)
Thanks.

But why keep top up if let's say the market not doing well? Are we betting the market will be better in the long run or based on past performance, the market did well in that manner?
Take a look at the S&P 500 chart over the years & you'll find your answer.

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That bothers me too actually. If market will, in the end, perform better in the long run, why don't everyone just go for high risk profile?  Why there are still people lose money until "pants drop"? Why don't just keep holding it until it turns better?
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Most people are short sighted. And high risk profile means it's more volatile in the short term, imagine if you're seeing your hard earned money goes down by 30% suddenly, can you deal with that emotionally? Would you lose sleep at night?

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post Feb 13 2020, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Bilvinduet @ Feb 13 2020, 11:13 AM)
I've been seeing ads for Stashaway recently on YouTube. They paradoxically leave me feeling uneasy as those look exactly the same as those ads for get rich quick scams...
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lol... they must have hired the wrong agency. I havent seen any SA ads on YouTube yet.
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post Feb 13 2020, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Bilvinduet @ Feb 13 2020, 11:44 AM)
I actually wonder if it's a legit Stashaway ad as it doesn't directly take you there. If you click on the ad, it takes you to this website.

www dot moremoney dot my slash stashaway

Don't want to write a direct link as I'm not actually promoting it.


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That clearly is not official stashaway, just an affiliate trying to promote it.
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post Feb 14 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Feb 14 2020, 09:50 AM)
My suggested risk profile is only 18%... is it advisable to go higher like sifus here? lol
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You could just try first and adjust later, or create 2 profiles to test which suits you best. My main profile is 18% and the return is still very good, compared to other vehicles out there. It really comes down to your own risk appetite.
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post Feb 21 2020, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 21 2020, 04:38 PM)

reason for one to say so is because of the risk level of 36%?

if you lower the risk level to 18%, will you still see the 5% return? reflecting the same return for the same corresponding period?
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I just want to point out that it doesnt work that way. 18% risk level just means your asset allocation is different, if commodities are doing well, the return could be higher than 36% risk level.

My 18% profile performs better than my 36% profile at the moment.
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post Feb 24 2020, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 24 2020, 02:34 PM)
Glad most of my investments are in Wahed and SA 😅
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Yes brother, glad I've moved some cash to SA last year too, otherwise I'd curse myself for missing the opportunity.
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post Feb 27 2020, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(UsernameCopied @ Feb 27 2020, 05:37 AM)
Money weighted return was about 10% now its at 0.5%. You guys think it will get worse?
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My personal opinion, yes. Historically speaking, whenever there's a pandemic, the market is going to be affected. Besides, people have been speculating for a market crash to happen in 2019/2020. I think this might very well be it.
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post Feb 28 2020, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(UsernameCopied @ Feb 28 2020, 08:35 AM)
Not sure if this is a mini recession or the start of an actual recession cause, I myself have been waiting for one. Wondering if I should cash out now and wait till it drops more before reinvesting it back.

So far.. I'm broke even. No loss, no gain.
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Well, I've withdrawn a portion out because I feel the correction is going to last longer than usual but that's just me. I'm not giving any advice. At the end of the day, you have to tune in to your own intuition & make the call.
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post Mar 1 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Mar 1 2020, 03:48 PM)
Izzit now the best time to invest on 6% portfolio or transfer to it?
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My 6% portfolio is at 1% return since last year. Probably better off putting it in FD. Nothing is safe at the moment, even gold is crashing. I'm going to hold on to my cash & wait for a while. If this turns into a bear like it did in 2008, then it's going to keep crashing for many months. Plenty of time to get in.
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post Mar 1 2020, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 1 2020, 06:36 PM)
Really? Only 1%?
How? Is should be safe.

Is it better to get into SA simple
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Bonds were not doing that great last year. And it was affected by last week's drop as well.
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post Mar 3 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 3 2020, 09:02 AM)
wow, didn't check for a while, the whole of last 6 months' gain, of more than 10% got wiped out and gone into the negative territory.

Just a question, is there a mechanism for us to lock in the profit first?

i mean it's like sell when you see some gain, then you get back into it when it retraces, or something like that.

it's kinda hard to see the portfolio from +10% into -ve.

the only way i can think of is withdraw the money first then only buy again/DCA.
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What's the risk profile?
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post Mar 4 2020, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(preducer @ Mar 4 2020, 05:14 PM)
I reduced the risk to 30% just to get rid of energy which is going down the drain
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Smart move
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post Mar 6 2020, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Mar 6 2020, 04:42 PM)
it will eventually up again?
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What risk level? What if I told you it will eventually go up but you'd have to wait 6 months, what would you do?
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post Mar 9 2020, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(not timid n slow @ Mar 9 2020, 12:27 AM)
the big question is

has it bottomed out already
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It literally has just only started.

Look, all signs have been pointing to a recession, if you look at the inverted yield curve every time it hits negative the market is going to crash, and this time it's going to be epic.

The short rallies that you're seeing is just manipulation from the big institutions. You can expect the feds to keep slashing the interest rates. The short rallies are not going to last, and the correction is very likely to turn into a bear market which could last for many more months.

And then you have the coronavirus thing going on which is triggering the crash, it is affecting a lot of businesses, if you study the correlation between the past epidemics & the market, then you would know that the market would get affected for at least 30 to 50 days on average.

Why so eager to get in when the market is so volatile right now?






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post Mar 9 2020, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(not timid n slow @ Mar 9 2020, 09:39 AM)
conflicting advice here. as a newbie this confuses me
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I was just sharing my own personal thesis with you since you were asking if the market has reached it's bottom yet.

We are all emotional creatures, I understand some of us just cannot handle seeing their account dipping into the negatives, so if this is you then you could wait for a while and see where the market is heading before dumping a huge amount money into the market...

If you already have a solid plan to do DCA consistently, then in theory you should be fine in the long run, say 5 years for example, you are still going to make money. This is what StashAway is built for and what they have been advising everyone to do. Just don't put all in equity and choose a more balanced portfolio with gold etf.


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