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Holocene
post Feb 26 2019, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 26 2019, 04:08 PM)
So as gov servant. They have privileged to  get free medical services from gov hospital.

Even IJN services is covered.

Expt. Lenses, valve etc etc. But at discount. I think for now they only need to pay "hardware" but not "software"

Do you think CI is acceptable for them or redundant?
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So this is really when you need to have a conversation with your insurance agent.

Critical illness insurance is sold for 2 purposes:

1) Income replacement;

2) Expenditures that are not covered by your medical benefits (as you so rightfully pointed on in your example)

Coming up with the number for the coverage and plan will depend on your discussion with your agent.

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This post has been edited by Holocene: Feb 26 2019, 06:46 PM
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post Feb 27 2019, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 27 2019, 12:21 PM)
is Fully Paid Patient (FPP) in Gov Hospital can be claimable as the same process in Private?
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Critical illness insurance has nothing to do with FPP as the payout goes to you directly.

What you decide to do with the payout/cash is entirely up to you.

It is not a medical card whereby it can only be used to pay your medical bills.

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This post has been edited by Holocene: Feb 27 2019, 03:09 PM
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post Feb 28 2019, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 02:33 AM)
Hi all, I am 27 this year. Currently have one medical my dad bought in 1999. 70k x 3.

Thinking to purchase new, please advise below premium is good to go?

Premium RM260/month for below

Life: 100k
PA: 100k
Critical illness: 100k
Medical is Allianz. A/L 1.1m, L/L no limit. R&B250
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For the Critical illness, assuming it's PrimeCare+, you have a good quote there 🤓

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post Feb 28 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 09:36 AM)
Yes it's prima care plus. It's a PowerLink plan.

I've been reading around seems like this is a standard premium price.
Thanks for the input sir. My mom was telling the same thing, medical no need so much, cover 1m for PA. Medical is for hospital to earn more.

Medical I considered about inflation, last time saw some articles saying can't people afford medication. R&B can be reduced to 200 actually.

I have no interest in ILP. Only in this plan because all in one.
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Yeap for the coverage that's a good premium as I believe the agent would have advise you on the features of PrimeCare+ and it's difference between a normal CI coverage.

As for the medical card, we always plan for the future because the media never fail to inform us about how medical cost are double digit % increment year on year so that's the reason for high limit coverage.

If you're looking for PA, you should actually remove the PA within the ILP and buy it from a general insurance, their coverage is wider and you're paying more or less the same premium.

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post Feb 28 2019, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 28 2019, 10:01 AM)
Medical annual and lifetime limit level is always debatable. There is no right or wrong.
Just get one within your affordable level in term of premium.

Personally, I won't too concern on this, as if I really need until 1 mil+ medical bill, that's means I may be too serious to survive and may have too much complication, and even after cured, may not have enough money to survive the rest of life (there may be a lot of money need to be spent afterwards that may not covered by the insurance as well) and likelyhood won't be live too long with so much medical complication.

Unless one has ton of millions one, then different story.

If I don't have money today due to overpay too much on insurance, I may died starving next week, even having 10 mil medical coverage or 100 mil of insurance coverage.
So, just plan according within personal affordability. Life is never perfect.
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Yes this is a very good point.
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post Feb 28 2019, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Feb 28 2019, 03:37 PM)
Thanks Jiansheng for the advise. Will probably remove PA.

What do you think of credit card PA? I noticed there's always promo. High coverage at low premium.
Thanks sir. Might reduce to either r&b 200 or 150 and get higher CI instead. Don't want to follow parents footstep. Mom has cancer stage 3 but no CI only medical.

What do you advise on affordability? I do not have much commitments at the moment. Is monthly salary around 5-10% for premium too much?
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You need to find out the extend of the coverage before you can determine if what you're paying is good.

For example: PA attached in the ILP only covers things like if you lose your fingers or limbs. Whereas if you get the PA from a general insurance company, they cover those too and also things like snatch theft.

As to the affordability, 5 - 8% is fine but then again you need to make sure your risk is managed. So the next question is, what is the RM100k coverage to you? Is that the right amount?

I suggest you ask the Allianz agent to go through "Needs Discovery" via his iMagine app with you to get the right coverage number 🤓

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post Mar 9 2019, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 9 2019, 06:27 PM)
Any DIY term + CI policy that can be bought online?
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For Allianz at least, life and Cancer you can check out: https://www.allianz.com.my

As for CI, you'll have to Google or wait for some sifu to revert here...

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post Mar 18 2019, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Mar 18 2019, 11:31 AM)
hi all, is there any difference in term of premium/cost if i buy medical insurance from agent, or direct from insurance co such as online, walk in etc?
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Not only difference in premium, benefit quite different too...
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post Mar 18 2019, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 18 2019, 07:26 PM)
Same policy but different benefits?
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If it's the same policy/product then of course it will be the same benefit so you need to confirm that it is the same policy.

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post Mar 20 2019, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(imahappyklown @ Mar 20 2019, 09:22 AM)
Hi guys.

I'm in abit of a dilemma right now, hope to get some assistance.

I'm currently insured by Allianz (for the past 2 years), through a friend who is an agent. I recently found out that he has stopped being an agent and true enough the agent's name in my statement is of someone elses.

My question is, would this matter in the long run i.e. difficulty in claims etc? Should I be concerned that I have no knowledge of this agent that serves me?

With that said, I am also actively looking for an insurance for my 2 year old child. I've noticed lymph nodes in the neck area is abit pronounced, but we've been to the doctors before and they are not too concerned with it which means there is no diagnosed if its an issue or not.

I've met with an agent recently and mentioned this to them. They advise me to disclose this information if I was to apply an insurance for my child. I find it nonsensical as doctors previously have not made a fuss of it and theres no diagnose as well. I worry by disclosing something that is entirely based on my feelings would jeopardize the coverage my child would get. Would appreciate on an advice for this as well.

Last one. Is it possible to find an agent that I could build a good rapport with. One that I could trust to service me and my family far into the future? Some that I've met scare me. Ya know the type, that asks for an IC copy and 2 months premium deposit at the end of the first discussion.

Thanks in advance  notworthy.gif
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The appointment letter should have stated the agent's contact number. Give him a call/text to arrange a meet up.

Disclose the condition. Better to get a rejection upfront then when you need the insurance the most.

There are agents out there that are sales oriented and there are the ones that are service oriented. Depends on your luck who you run into really.

As for the IC and 2 months premium, I suppose he tried to "Assume close". But do note that if you are making an application, they will need your IC and it is industry standard to collect 2 months premium during application.

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post Mar 20 2019, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(vl319 @ Mar 20 2019, 10:05 PM)
Need advise to buy medical, CI ILP. Currently 37yo. Non smoker. Looking for higher annual limit and unlimited lifetime limit, 250r&b, cover until 90yo, premium is sustainable until older age.

Any good package to intro?
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There are no set packages as you can tailor make the sum assured to your needs. For that you need to be in touch with an insurance agent to find out what you need and your options.

There are several active agents on this thread representing the following companies in this thread:
- AIA (lifebalance, JIUHWEI)
- Allianz (Yours truly)
- Great Eastern (ckdenion)
- Prudential (roystevenung)

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Jiansheng

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post Mar 23 2019, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(scriptkiddie44 @ Mar 22 2019, 09:53 PM)
Hi, all expert here.
I have a question regarding my insurance coverage and premium.

I'm 24 y/o this year, and I'm having a plan with GE with following coverage:

Sum assured for life + CI: RM500,000
Medical: RM150 (900k + 90k Annual limit / unlimited whole life)

Is it enough coverage for me? I'm approached by Allianz agent, and after the agent reviewing the policy, he tell me not enough coverage for medical, where he usually quote RM250 for his customers.
Previously my Sum assured was only 100k, and the first time he approached me, he claiming 100k is not enough. Hence, I upgraded my sum to 500k. Now he's claiming that my Medical (only RM150) is not enough.

So is my coverage enough? I'm paying RM250 per month for my premium. Is it cheap?
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If you're paying RM250/month and getting

- Life/TPD/CI: RM500k

- R&B150
- - Annual limit: RM990k
- - Lifetime limit: No limit

It is amazing value, but whether it's the right coverage for you is an entirely different discussion.

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post Mar 27 2019, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Mar 27 2019, 05:14 PM)
critical illness can understand, is life insurance a necessary when buying medical insurance?

i guess professional required to find out which one suit us best, to make my point clear, I believe in a competitive market, most product tend to offer more or less the same value, or else the best one would conquer the market.
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If you are signing up for an Investment Linked Plan, the life element will always be there. A way around this is to request the agent to reduce it to the lowest possible sum assured.

1 way a client of mine did to find his agent was to set up multiple "interview" sessions with different agents on the same day. All had the same brief from him and see how they design and rationalize their approach. From there you can really tell if the agent is just a salesman or a legitimate insurance agent that designs the insurance plan according to your needs.

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post Mar 30 2019, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(vl319 @ Mar 30 2019, 12:42 AM)
Hi all. Want to ask about stopping the monthly insurance premium payment.

If i already accumulate some values in the account and i want to stop paying premium for 1-2 years, normally the deduction from the account value is full premium amount or only deduct those insurance charges, riders and other insurance fee only?
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For Allianz at least, that is correct but please be aware that if the policy lapses to reinstate you will need to pay back all outstanding premiums and you will need to go through the waiting period again so do monitor your policy.

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Mar 30 2019, 12:12 PM)
For a 23 year old, non-smoker, I should get all 3 (medical - life insurance - critical illness)?
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Sure. That's a comprehensive cover.

Now you just need to figure out your appropriate coverage amount.

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post Mar 30 2019, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Mar 30 2019, 01:38 PM)
I see, the recommendation is to have the premium to be 10% of salary right? And the coverage should be 10 times the amount of annual income?
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% of salary contributed to premium is a very simple way of looking at it.

A more appropriate way is to decide on the following:

Life/TPD:
In the event of Death/TPD how much will my dependant/me need to survive for X number of years? Do I have any liabilities to be cleared to ensure my estate distribution goes smoothly?

Medical Card:
Would I prefer a single or sharing room? Would I want a medical card with unlimited lifetime limit?

Critical illness:
In the event of getting a critical illness, the sum coverage will be your income replacement during your recovery. So you need to determin how much you might need during your period of recovery. Assuming you no longer get paid while recovery. For example; I will take half a year or 1 year off for my CI recovery.

Once you work these out you can engage a couple of agents for a quote/sit down discussion to find out who can best serve your needs.

Best,
Jiansheng

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post Apr 5 2019, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Apr 5 2019, 12:03 PM)
i read reply here saying walk in is 10 to 20% cheaper for med insurance, hence i give aia jalan ampang a visit, but the cs told me they dont sell direct, only through agent.

the walk in for cheaper rate here mean walk in to agent office?
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For standalone.

Investment linked products no walk in.
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post Apr 8 2019, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(confusedguy1 @ Apr 7 2019, 08:58 PM)
Thinking of getting a medical card for my mom. Her age is 50+. Was quoted for an ILP plan (with bare minimum life/TPD benefit) which costs around RM 400/month. The COI is lower than premiums of standalone plans (I have compared up to the age of 80) out there and benefits are also much better.

However, due to the nature of ILP, this would mean initial high costs. Being just 20+ now, obviously I do not want to commit so much because I have other commitments (car loans, PTPTN etc) as well. My mom, due to some previous mistakes, has almost no savings today.(which is another story but irrelevant here)

I have since thought of a brilliant idea. In ILP as long as we have sufficient units (account value) inside, the policy will not lapse. So, I can twist around and only pay for the bare minimum of ILP plan required to sustain the policy, which is the Basic Life COI+ Rider COI+Fund Management Fee+Direct Distribution Costs. In other words my accumulated cash value/surrender value will be almost zero every month. By doing this I can reduce the premium by RM 150/month.

Yes I know I will pay more in future but I can have better cash flow instead of throwing all into insurance.

Any possibility of going wrong with this method? Would my agent commission be affected and gets pissed off and don't want to serve me?  dry.gif (I didn't actually told my agent frankly about this, because I afraid he will gets pissed off.)
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If you really want to go with this strategy you have to check how the insurance company you're applying with recognises a premium payment.

For example:

COI : RM100
Premium: RM150

If you have rm100 that month, would the company keep your money in a suspend account until the rm50 is deposited or they would recognise the RM100 upfront hence helping to clear the COI.

During the first 2 years your cash value would be relatively low so if you want to use this method you're in quite a risky place for the policy to lapse. Once a policy lapse you are required to pay all the premium owed and also start the waiting period all over again.

As to how it will affect your agent, definitely his commission will be affected and also his persistency but assuming your case value is less than 1% of his total sale then it shouldn't be a problem at all.

Just remembered. DO NOT LAPSE your policy.

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Jiansheng

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post Apr 10 2019, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(pravred @ Apr 10 2019, 06:12 PM)
Dear sifus I read a few pages here as well as product brochures and still can't make up my mind which insurance suits me.

1. i'm a 29 year old male still single and sole breadwinner. Only kid for my aged parents 68 and 64
2. Non-smoker
3. Looking at a long term plan with investment benefits.

I have not met any insurance agent or looked up for insurance till today so I may not have the best idea. Looking forward for some advise and preferably a plan I should consider at my age.

Thank you,
Praveen
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Hi Pravred,

Great to see that you are actively looking to manage your life risk. In regards to what to consider, these are a few things to consider prior to looking for a plan.

Life/TPD:
In the event of Death/TPD how much will my dependant/me need to survive for X number of years? Do I have any liabilities to be cleared to ensure my estate distribution goes smoothly?

Medical Card:
Would I prefer a single or sharing room? Would I want a medical card with unlimited lifetime limit?

Critical illness:
In the event of getting a critical illness, the sum coverage will be your income replacement during your recovery. So you need to determin how much you might need during your period of recovery. Assuming you no longer get paid while recovery. For example; I will take half a year or 1 year off for my CI recovery.

Once you work these out you can engage a couple of agents for a quote/sit down discussion to find out who can best serve your needs.

Best,
Jiansheng
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post Apr 10 2019, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Apr 10 2019, 10:02 PM)
Just trying my luck - Any Allianz agent willing to adopt me as policy holder?

I posted here few months back - basically my agent wasn't honest. Have filed issue with Allianz and will request for agent change. Was told if there's no one I'd like to nominate then Allianz will try to match me with one.

My profile:
Male, non smoker, desk job, next bday age 36, single, works out for general purpose fitness these days (used to do long distance cycling and running).

Current coverage (over 3 policies that could've been 1)
Life/TPD: 400k
Accident: 500k
Early crisis: 200k (Prime Care)
Medical card: Medisafe Infinite 300

Thanks for your time
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Sure, come under my wing.

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