Hiring someone is not as simple as buying tv bruh. Consumer buy tv with 1 time payment. Hiring someone have many factors to consider and everything is subjective. Hence the need for black and white and paper trail. If everything can just go verbal and no procedure, we will have a lot of 1MDB problems. HR and hiring procedures is created for a reason

Ridiculous way of justifying someone’s worth.

They have a salary budget - they should stick to that.

I am same like you. I am comfortable at my current company. Just want to go out test market. Just stand firm and be confident about the expected salary / figure.

Most people in Malaysia have the employer is “God” mentality.

This same people take it easy once they enter the job, and whine when they get fired.

I choose to be paid based on my skills, and will gladly accept being fired if my skills are not required anymore. Willing buyer, willing seller.

This post has been edited by vanbrah: Nov 5 2018, 02:38 PM

It’s the same concept in any negotiation.

Your car is a monthly payment item - does Honda tell you the cost of manufacturing the car?

Honda will just provide the specs of the car and their price - you take it or leave it.

They are big corporations because of standard procedures. Even if HR and hiring manager want to help you justify your worth to stakeholders, they need black & white documents as proof. They answer to a line of bosses, not just one person. They can't just use verbal, they need documents. Again as i mentioned hiring someone is different from buying item. even company buy items also need black and white SOP

This post has been edited by Furfur: Nov 5 2018, 02:45 PM

To put simple, you want to join an organisation, you follow their rules and SOP. You don't like rules and SOP, then don't join. That's all

some HR got no brainer, just follow procedure

Earlier this year applied at an Australian MNC in KL, working Aussie hours (some of you can guess which one). HR which sounds like local Malaysian called to ask why no current salary stated and I give this same reason, you should have your own budget.

Obviously HR is not very happy and end it. I moved on and found other job shortly after.

Later on, I noticed the company tried to stalk my online profile not sure if there are missed calls or not. I don't bother or remember anymore. Either they can't find suitable candidates, or the HR method backfires. Whatever.

Anyway, for good or bad, I have moved on to a new job.

similar concept, different shoes
if i don't know the price of candidate A when i have B, C, D,....
do i need to consider A? wait till X70 price officially announced then only do booking?

who is actually doing the shopping?

FYI, difference salary range may result in placing the future employee in different positions which may mean different benefits package
in car terms maybe something like sports kit, bigger rims, higher cc, 4WD etc

It's either they follow procedure which their directors set or don't follow have a chance to get fired (and maybe sued of misconduct). Which option do you think they'll choose?

you should ask to talk to the hiring manager and also the hr boss
if they cannot respect privacy, dont bother work for this company.
yeah i walked off before.

should play along...HR also makan gaji maa... HR dept and other dept have different criteria to fulfill especially opex budget.... Even a GM want to hire you, the HR can say that you dont fulfill their requirement...if the GM fight them, later HR advice top management like VP, CEO to expelled that GM...

Nowadays big company also want to downsize...even small company dont earn a lot...

U should start think make ur on business..might be a vendor to your current company...Since you are really talented and experience

I'm 100% with you TS... for me I will give my pay slip after my expected salary is met and that time I know this is just purely on documentation purposed.



Handling/reveal your salary first mean you already lost the negotiating battle..

I admire TS for his stand.

As the hiring manager i dont really bother about the payslip but rather what he can bring to the table. The payslip is something HR ask as part of their due diligence

Most HR would already have access to research on market pay and have some estimates for a suitable amount for the candidate. if the candidate is as good as they themselves claim with so many support and reference from the management then by right he or she should be having a commensurate amount of pay and position. If the payslip shows otherwise there could other factors that was not accounted for ( e.g. company size too small cant pay that kind of salary, issues with direct supervisor but support by other line managers, etc) That need to be delve further if the gap between the pay and what is claimed is high.

In an ideal world, everyone would be paid as per their skills and value.

What I have noticed as a manager for my team - the lowest paid are the best engineers, they were focused on their work, understood the technology due to years of experiences in the company.

You know who were the worst engineers? The highest paid in the group - mostly job jumpers who spoke well but rarely acquired any substantial skills.

The difference in pay between the best and worst engineers were not by their skills - but by their last drawn salary from previous companies.

Stay poor and comply to this rule of past salary for your next next job - I choose not to fall for it.

there are many reasons they need your pay slips.

1st of all, calculate your PCB.
2nd, reference check (very important).
3rd, company policy. they might need to seek for approval to pay some1 x2 or x3 of their previous salary.

end of the day, take it or leave it. Every Company has their policies. I have gone to interview with 1 listed MNC as well, they even do a background check on my CTOS, SSM, directorship in other Company. Because at certain lvl, you need to be very 'clean' to them. i have heard a lot of bad stories on sh!t hit the fan when the HR did not do a reference check or back ground check.

bro....that is not the right move...
u shld give them your payslip and justify you worth that much...
since u insisted by not giving..it somehow discredit your reputation...
if they cant pay what you are asking and you think u worth the job market..then is their prob..now is your prob instead

dont agree with the new company's requirements? don't join. enuf said.

Doesn't that last line contradict your earlier observation?
According to you the highest paid group "fell for it" and jumped multiple times, getting their increment each time
Those who "didn't fall for it" refused to provide their payslips, didn't get a new job and stayed on with their existing pay