Am surprised that youre okay with the privatisation of public services, especially since it looks like its going to be subsidised and is being done via direct negotiations.

Kinda like ipp, i suppose.

Im personally okay with privatisation. However, im not sure if grab's model can ensure efficient service. How many cars would be needed to carry the same number of people on a bus? How can they ensure that theres enough drivers at the same location at the same time to make sure that riders who just got off dont have to wait 30 mins to get a ride?

facepalm

This is not new. I think it was suggested during Najib's era.

The government just pays for promotions. I guess this is how some origin and destination specific promotions were funded.

By limiting the distance and the origin and destination, the promotional fare may be 1 MYR. The government pays the rest, which may be 5 MYR. Or the latter is capped at 5 MYR, with the passenger paying the rest.

With a quota of say 100k trips a day, 5 days a week, the cost to the government is about 130 million MYR a year. Not a big amount. Supply can be dynamic to meet dynamic demand, because it is intrinsic. This is harder to achieve with buses.

People usually do not complain too much when they cannot get a promotion. When they are out of luck, they just look for an alternative for that trip.

Buses may still operate. May be one trip an hour during peak periods. The fare may be cheaper or zero. People can choose to pay 50 cents for a bus trip or take the bus free if they see one coming.

This post has been edited by hwt: Oct 9 2018, 11:55 PM

The most intelligent people in the entire world are part ruling PH government...

What is your input to help gomen or prasarana to reduce the feeder bas expenditure and at the same time increase mrt ridership?

It is still in negotiation level and everyone of us don't even have the feeder bus ridership number.

Most of malaysian being brain dead with tongkat syndrome. When tongkat is being remove, they just become zombie chasing anything which make the loudest noise.

they should negotiate with taxi association instead of grab. lol

Pls get real planners and engineers to make the policy

Not some idiot politicians

This post has been edited by weyyt: Oct 9 2018, 11:56 PM

the problem is the "consumers" are mostly banglas when the money was originally planned for citizens.

The issue of poor bus ridership has various causes, there is no single major reason for this issue.

Example:

A) Poor bus frequency, either caused by human factor or simply there is no dedicated bus lane
B) Poor urban development which contributes to less convenient access to bus shelter

I think if bus servce is frequent, predictable and has priority over automobile traffic at traffic light, maybe this would improve experience for bus commuters and consequently, more would be tempted to take bus.

If bus have real-time tracking would be good, users will know how long the bus take to arrive.

Yet the ridership continues to increase, your point?

You know that the new govt bitch all the time about rm1tril debt, no money, no money. Some things gotta give, and here, it is feeder buses.

Inb4 but got money for perotiga.

Because hospitals and schools are blackhole la why the rest not as much. Everything also wanna blackhole, gg la national debts and liabilities reach rm2 tril soon. In terms of priority, public transportation would have lower rank than medical and education to receive govt aide to keep them operational.

I'm just rationalising Tony Pua's train of thought. Many said he becomes Maslan, but i saw straightaway he's saying govt no money to run feeder bus. Tak payah berlapik la, no money is the issue.

Personally i have a more bizarre idea. I saw in Indonesia, they convert unser kijang to like a mini bus, and they charge iirc 2k rupiah per trip. So it's like a bus, but kijang is dirt cheap compared to a bus, and there's so many of them, frequency nor capacity is an issue.

So maybe instead prasarana could buy and run way more vans, use hiace or some china 18 seater vans to run around instead of expensive, underutilized buses. In fact, i think there already is a service like this, the cyberjaya dts iianm, they have a few buses and vans. Vans would be cheaper to buy and run, and easier to go into residential areas, perfect to replace feeder buses. Cyberjaya dts is fully private service iianm, they're quite pricey, but cheaper than driving and just as convenient.

This post has been edited by tokdukun: Oct 10 2018, 12:26 AM

Macam maslan pulak

Save cost



For the goverment

Monthly pass for public transport is the way to go. Tax incentive for companies who provide monthly pass instead of fuel/ parking allowance to their employees.

Government must work hand in hand with private companies to get the best result. Grab is a silly idea, it will caused even worse traffic and i dont think grab is able to cope with such huge volume of passengers.

anyone got full details of this plan of Tony's? or just typical pancut awal bashing?

Typically spew shit without details

Feeder bus bukan budaya kita

Not that leh.

I mean if I balik shopping klcc I set grab destination to mrt Station, but actually near my home, can get rm1 ka? Lol

While innovation is great, sometimes a solution becomes the drfault solution because its the best one thus far.

For most of early working life, i did rely on the trains, feeder buses and taxis most days of the week. As far as i saw, there were long queues for both buses and cabs. Making the queue for buses disappear and replacing it with what is essentially the new version of cabs just makes me imagine 30, 40 people at the station simultaneously trying to book a ride.

Of course, thats assuming the rider has a phone that can run the app. I have no idea whats the solution if the rider is a bit on the poor side and only has a less-smart phone.

The pursuit for cutting costs is good, but that shouldnt excuse the need for logic or accountability.

Its like saying youre going to sell the fourth wheel of your car. "There's three more wheels," is the excuse. Sure itd raise some money, but in the end you lose out more because it just makes the entire car useless. The proposed solution created more problems than it solved.

The concern here is that this may cause the same scenario. Buses during peak hours are already packed and often late - introducing another random element in that you dont know whtehr theres a grad driver around is one such additional problem.

Plus, why just deal wjth grab - theres a few other hailing services, and of course, taxi drivers. Im pretty sure this last group is going to make some noise of the govt decides to basically subsidise their competitors at the last place taxis seem to operate.

Vans are a good idea, but again, reliability. Having prasarana replace its less busy routes (or less busy times of the day) with vans might be valid.

This post has been edited by empyreal: Oct 10 2018, 06:25 AM

Smart move, so can scrap feeder bys & replace with protiga grabcar

Lol