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post May 15 2019, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Champinidan @ May 13 2019, 06:22 PM)
I do not know how people count here, but your speed also relies on receiving device. For example lot of smartphone connecting on like 2.4HZ max, and max I see was real speed of 75Mbps and that's it, nothing more than that really. Be sure to keep it checked.
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It depends on your device, most smartphones are on AC1200 adapter only.
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QUOTE(soonwai @ Sep 17 2018, 11:05 PM)

Why my wifi so slow?
Since many Unifi users have got Turbo speed now, more and more people are asking why their wifi is so slow. Unfortunately many are misled by those AC1200, AC1750, AC2400 numbers so here's a guide to what actual speed you can achieve. Now, just to clarify, this is about WiFi speed not internet speed but in order to get max internet speed, you first have to get your wifi in order.

tl;dr Maximum WiFi Speeds
Here's a tl;dr of the max wifi speed that I've tested. Remember, in order to get max speed, your device must equal or better the wifi router.
PhoneLaptopTablet
2.4Ghz 2x291.57 Mbps92.1 Mbps-
5Ghz 1x1240.53 Mbps244 Mbps-
5Ghz 2x2343.66 Mbps357 Mbps518.79 Mbps
5Ghz 3x3-875 Mbps-

Gigabit Ethernet: 934 Mbps (for ref)
Faster speeds coming when I test the faster wifi routers.

AC Rating
The first thing, those AC numbers or Rating. These are there to impress help consumers.

The numbers give an indication of the speed of the router but they're mostly there because marketing needed a shorter way to describe the router. So instead of "2.4Ghz 2x2 MIMO and 5Ghz 2x2 MIMO", they use AC1200. Much simpler but just remember no way you'll get 1200Mbps from it.

TM's TP-Link C1200 as an example
Many people have this wifi router since it's a freebie from TM. It is AC1200.

Max 5Ghz link speed: 866Mbps (2x2 5Ghz wifi streams)
Max 2.4Ghz link speed: 300Mbps (2x2 2.4Ghz wifi streams)

So 866+300 = 1200 (yes, marketing did the math)
2x2, 3x3 MIMO
If you wondering what is that 2x2 wifi streams. It's something like this.

2x2 means 2 transmit and 2 receive.
MIMO (multiple in/multiple out) means the wifi can receive,send more than one wifi stream at the same time. Everything is MIMO now.
streams are sometimes called chains. Some people use the term antenna. Not wrong. One stream needs one antenna to transmit. Then you look at the C1200 which is 2x2 but it has 3 antennas. How leh? That one I explain later.

Which brings us to the speed of each stream. It can be more but let's stick to this for now.
One 5Ghz stream = 433Mbps
One 2.4Ghz stream = 150Mbps

Therefore for the TP-Link C1200, for 5Ghz, 2 streams is 2 x 433Mbps = 866Mbps.
Same for 2.4Ghz, 2 x 150Mbps = 300Mbps.
Add these together and you'll get the 1200 in AC1200.
Your laptop, phone
Alright, so your laptop and phone also has the same things. 1x1, 2x2, 3x3 MIMO. In order to get max speed, your phone must equal or better the wifi router.

Now, this is where a lot of questions arises. Some people might have a great router but their laptop or phone not so good. And vice-versa.
1. Most phones are 1x1
2. Some only have 2.4Ghz, no 5Ghz
3. Most laptops are 2x2
4. Some are 3x3
5. Cheaper laptops only have 2.4Ghz

So you see, if you connect a phone with 5GHz AC 1x1 to a C1200 2x2, the link speed will only be 433Mbps.
Link Speed vs Actual Speed
You might think, 433Mbps link speed is damn good already. But when you try, your speeds are much slower. Yeah, you'll never get full link speed. Why? Actually I'm not entirely sure so I'll leave that to Google.

https://res.cloudinary.com/soonwai/image/up...e_mbpr_5Ghz.jpg 
MacBook Pro Retina 2013 3x3 5Ghz Link Speed to a 1x1 hAP AC Lite

As a rough guesstimate for actual speed, I like to use 60% which is already a very optimistic number for the speed that you may get. You may get higher speeds, probably not, but very easy to get lower speeds.  sad.gif 
1x1 - Link: 433Mbps - IRL: 260Mbps
2x2 - Link: 866Mbps - IRL: 520Mbps
3x3 - Link: 1299Mbps - IRL: 779Mbps
Other Factors
In real life (IRL), other things will affect the final speed that you get.
1. Distance
2. Line of sight
3. Door
4. Wall
5. Interference from neigbour's wifi

So many things, I'm just going to list 5.
WiFi speed tests
To give you an idea of the speeds, I did a few tests below.

The test is a 30 second iPerf3 TCP test. Data is sent from the server via the respective wifi router to the device.
CODE
iperf3 -c 10.0.1.80 -R -i 4 -t 30

The command for iperf3 where applicable. iPhones are using an app called WiFiPerf which is iPerf3 compatible.

*Note that these are tests of just the wifi. No internet involved. Get the wifi speed sorted out before worrying about the internet. So, again, this is all local area network,
**I'm lazy to edit it so if you see single chain, dual or triple chain, it means 1x1, 2x2 or 3x3 respectively.

Stuff Used
Server: Thinkcentre M73 - Ubuntu 18.04 LTS - iperf3 3.1.3
Laptop: MacBook Pro Retina 2013 - MacOS 10.13.6 - 2.4Ghz Dual Chain - 5Ghz Triple Chain - iperf 3.6
Phone: iPhone 6s - iOS 12.0 - Dual Chain - WiFiPerf 3.2
Network: Gigabit - Cabling: Cat5e
Distance: Approximately 4ft from device to wifi router.

WiFi Routers (to be tested)
1. Mikrotik hAP AC Lite - 2.4Ghz Dual Chain - 5Ghz Single Chain - AC750 (done)
2. Mikrotik hAP AC2 - 2.4Ghz Dual Chain - 5Ghz Dual Chain - AC1200
3. Mikrotik hAP AC - 2.4Ghz Triple Chain - 5Ghz Triple Chain - AC1750
4. Aztech FG7008GR - 2.4Ghz Triple Chain - 5Ghz Quad Chain - AC2400
5. D-Link DIR-878L - 2.4Ghz Quad Chain - 5Ghz Quad Chain - AC2600

Notes
• RouterOS 6.44beta6 (11/9/2018)
• hAP AC Lite: 3x100M ethernet bonding
  *because the hAP AC Lite only has 100Mbps network ports, I bonded 3 ports (300Mbps) to cater for WiFI AC speeds.
• The only tuning I did was lowering transmit power as I was only 4ft away from the wifi routers.
• WiFi chip features such as WMM, adaptive noise immunity, beam forming, or band steering are disabled.

Radio Environment
2.4Ghz Scanner and Frequency Usage
Tests were done in my house in the afternoon on a weekend. Typical double storey intermediate link house. Quite a few 2.4Ghz APs around but still can be considered good.
Since it's a weekend, more people are home and using their phones and laptops. It gets better in the afternoon on a weekday or in the early morning when everyone is asleep.
https://res.cloudinary.com/soonwai/image/up...Ghz_scanner.jpg https://res.cloudinary.com/soonwai/image/up..._4Ghz_Usage.jpg 

5Ghz Scanner and Frequency Usage
Very clean. There's only one 5Ghz AP and the signal is very weak.
https://res.cloudinary.com/soonwai/image/up...Ghz_scanner.jpg https://res.cloudinary.com/soonwai/image/up.../5Ghz_Usage.jpg 
Ethernet Speed Test (Control)
Phone 6sMBPR
Ethernet 94.41 Mbps934 Mbps
Actually I forgot, I thought my iPhone Lightning-Ethernet was gigabit. It's only 100Mbps.
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Mikrotik hAP AC Lite - 2.4Ghz Dual Chain - 5Ghz Single Chain - AC750
iPhone 6slinkMBPRlink
2.4Ghz Dual Chain (Early Morning)91.57 Mbps144 Mbps--
2.4Ghz Dual Chain (Afternoon)79.29 Mbps144 Mbps92.1 Mbps144 Mbps
5Ghz Single Chain240.53 Mbps433 Mbps244 Mbps433 Mbps
hAP AC Lite only has 100Mbps ports so I bonded 3 ports to cater for WiFI AC speeds. I don't expect it to go above 300Mbps.
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Mikrotik hAP AC2 - 2.4Ghz Dual Chain - 5Ghz Dual Chain - AC1200
iPhone 6slinkMBPRlink
2.4Ghz Dual Chain--
5Ghz Dual Chain340.88 Mbps866 Mbps357 Mbps866 Mbps
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Mikrotik hAP AC - 2.4Ghz Triple Chain - 5Ghz Triple Chain - AC1750
iPhone 6slinkMBPRlink
2.4Ghz Dual Chain87.05 Mbps144 Mbps77 Mbps144 Mbps
5Ghz Dual Chain343.66 Mbps780 Mbps--
5Ghz Triple Chain--420 Mbps950 Mbps
Aztech FG7008GR - 2.4Ghz Triple Chain - 5Ghz Quad Chain - AC2400
iPhone 6slinkMBPRlinkiPad 2017link
2.4Ghz Dual Chain------
5Ghz Dual Chain304.96 Mbps---518.79 Mbps-
5Ghz Triple Chain--875 Mbps1300 Mbps--
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D-Link DIR-878L - 2.4Ghz Quad Chain - 5Ghz Quad Chain - AC2600
iPhone 6sMBPR
2.4Ghz Dual Chainxxxxxx
2.4Ghz Triple Chainxxxxxx
5Ghz Single Chainxxxxxx
5Ghz Triple Chainxxxxxx
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bro... just want to ask. I'm a Maxis home wifi installer. but i do have doubts. im using huawei nova 4. occasionally i install 300mbps (300mbps DL and 50 UL) superfast package. sometimes i do get a speedtest of 190mbps for download and 45 for upload... sometimes 230mbps for download and 40++ for upload.. why is that? what affects this in my fon? and what spec in this fon that plays a part of this different speed test.. plsss guide me

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QUOTE(shanmaha @ Jun 30 2019, 09:16 AM)
bro... just want to ask. I'm a Maxis home wifi installer. but i do have doubts. im using huawei nova 4. occasionally i install 300mbps (300mbps DL and 50 UL) superfast package. sometimes i do get a speedtest of 190mbps for download and 45 for upload... sometimes 230mbps for download and 40++ for upload.. why is that? what affects this in my fon? and what spec in this fon that plays a part of this different speed test.. plsss guide me
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Maybe a TV analogy is easier to understand.

The station broadcast in FullHD signal but your ancient TV can only receive normal signal. Even if the tower broadcast in 4K, your old TV won't see all the benefits. Same condition to your phone WiFi speed.

You need a better phone to reap the full benefit. Kinda surprised you guys are not trained on this considering how Maxis advertise their so-called Max-perts. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jul 19 2019, 12:45 AM)
Maybe a TV analogy is easier to understand.

The station broadcast in FullHD signal but your ancient TV can only receive normal signal. Even if the tower broadcast in 4K, your old TV won't see all the benefits. Same condition to your phone WiFi speed.

You need a better phone to reap the full benefit. Kinda surprised you guys are not trained on this considering how Maxis advertise their so-called Max-perts. laugh.gif
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Exactly. I thought he would have known all this lol rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(shanmaha @ Jun 30 2019, 09:16 AM)
bro... just want to ask. I'm a Maxis home wifi installer. but i do have doubts. im using huawei nova 4. occasionally i install 300mbps (300mbps DL and 50 UL) superfast package. sometimes i do get a speedtest of 190mbps for download and 45 for upload... sometimes 230mbps for download and 40++ for upload.. why is that? what affects this in my fon? and what spec in this fon that plays a part of this different speed test.. plsss guide me
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Probably where you’re standing and how you’re holding the Nova 4 or an environmental factor. The Nova 4 is 2x2 AC which is a pretty good match for most ISP supplied WiFi routers. 190 vs 230 is not a huge difference for WiFi. Upload of 40/45 is a bit slow. Where are you, in relation to the WiFi router, when you do these tests?
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post Aug 2 2019, 06:32 PM

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i just bought Unifi Amplifi HD..thought can fast speed but when speedtest using 2.4ghz only can get around 3+mb..on 5ghz around 60mb..only if i stand next to the mesh router on 5ghz can get 2++mb..this is so bad..for the price point i dont think its worth it..btw, i already enable Hardware NAT as suggested by others..
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Most smartphones released after year 2015 are using 2x2 SU-MIMO chip already except those low end smartphones. Flagship smartphones released after year 2016 (e.g: Samsung Galaxy S7) are using 2x2 MU-MIMO chip (802.11ac Wave 2) most of them are powered by the Wi-Fi chip leader + hegemon Broadcom (Broadcom Numba Wan).

But in recent years still have some guilty smartphone vendors use 802.11n single-band 1x1 chip on their low end smartphones to cut cost + clear inventory like Huawei Nova 3i (2018), Huawei Y5 (2019), Redmi 7 (2019), Realme 3 (2019), Realme C2 (2019), Samsung Galaxy A10 (2019), Samsung Galaxy A20 (2019).

TP-Link a freaking networking company usually will also use their old inventory of 802.11n chips on their low end smartphones like Neffos C9 and Neffos C7. Well at least TP-Link did put a 802.11n dual-band chip into their mid range smartphones like the Neffos Y7. 802.11n dual-band chips were very popular among flagship smartphones around year 2011-2013 before smartphone vendors adopt the 802.11ac Wi-Fi standard, most notably used by the original iPad (2010), iPad 2 (2011), Samsung Galaxy S2 (2011), Samsung Galaxy Nexus (2011), Samsung Galaxy S3 (2012), HTC Amaze 4G (2011), HTC One X (2012). Yes, they all have 802.11n dual-band Wi-Fi.

Smartphones released before 2013 are using 1x1 SU-MIMO for example that flagship Samsung Galaxy S4, if it's 802.11n then the max data rate on 5 GHz is 150 Mbps, if it's 802.11ac like the one can be found on HTC One M7 (2013) then the max data rate on 5 GHz is 433.3 Mbps. FYI HTC One M7 is actually the first smartphone with a 802.11ac chip powered by Broadcom Wi-Fi + Bluetooth + FM radio combo chip all the way back in 2013.

Samsung began to support 2x2 SU-MIMO (802.11ac Wave 1) in year 2014 on their Samsung Galaxy S5. In year 2015 Samsung continue to put 802.11ac 2x2 SU-MIMO Broadcom chip into their Samsung Galaxy S6 again. Apple began to support 802.11ac 1x1 SU-MIMO Broadcom chip in year 2014 on their Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. In year 2015 Apple only began to support 802.11ac 2x2 SU-MIMO Broadcom on their Apple iPhone 6s and 6s Plus. With 2x2 spatial stream all these smartphones can reach a theoretical data rate of 866.7 Mbps. It's year 2019 now but so far no smartphone in the world supports 3x3 MU-MIMO Wi-Fi radio yet.

On the side note, Samsung Galaxy S10 series (2019) are the first smartphones to support the next generation 802.11ax Wi-Fi standard.

This post has been edited by Garena: Oct 9 2019, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(Garena @ Aug 3 2019, 06:57 PM)
Most smartphones released after year 2015 are using 2x2 SU-MIMO chip already except those low end smartphones. Flagship smartphones released after year 2016 (e.g: Samsung Galaxy S7) are using 2x2 MU-MIMO chip (802.11ac Wave 2) most of them are powered by the Wi-Fi leader + hegemon Broadcom (Broadcom Numba Wan).

But in recent years still have some guilty smartphone vendors use 802.11n single-band 1x1 chip on their low end smartphones to cut cost + clear inventory like Huawei Nova 3i (2018), Huawei Y5 (2019), Redmi 7 (2019), Realme 3 (2019), Realme C2 (2019), Samsung Galaxy A10 (2019), Samsung Galaxy A20 (2019).

TP-Link a freaking networking company usually will also use their old inventory of 802.11n chips on their low end smartphones like Neffos C9 and Neffos C7. Well at least TP-Link did put a 802.11n dual-band chip into their mid range smartphones like the Neffos Y7. 802.11n dual-band chips were very popular among flagship smartphones around year 2011-2013 before smartphone vendors adopt the 802.11ac Wi-Fi standard, most notably used by the original iPad (2010), iPad 2 (2011), Samsung Galaxy S2 (2011), Samsung Galaxy Nexus (2011), HTC Amaze 4G (2011). Yes they all have 802.11n dual-band Wi-Fi.

Smartphones released before 2013 are using 1x1 SU-MIMO for example that flagship Samsung Galaxy S4, if it's 802.11n then the max data rate on 5 GHz is 150 Mbps, if it's 802.11ac like the one can be found on HTC One M7 (2013) then the max data rate on 5 GHz is 433.3 Mbps. FYI HTC One M7 is actually the first smartphone with a 802.11ac chip powered by Broadcom Wi-Fi + Bluetooth + FM radio combo chip all the way back in 2013.

It's 2019 but so far no smartphone on earth comes with 3x3 MU-MIMO radio yet.
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Thanks for sharing this info.... beneficial to me in my next purchase of smartphone
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QUOTE(Aspick @ Aug 4 2019, 02:00 PM)
Thanks for sharing this info.... beneficial to me in my next purchase of smartphone
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You're welcome. if you want a peace of mind just go for the flagship smartphones, you'll get the latest and greatest 2x2 MU-MIMO chip, it can't be wrong.

Something I'd like to point out though it's a shame that in year 2019 those smartphone vendors still didn't put 802.11ax chip into their flagship smartphones like the Asus ROG Phone 2, Xiaomi Black Shark 2, Huawei P30 series, Xiaomi Mi 9, Redmi K20 Pro, LG G8. So far only Samsung did it with their Samsung Galaxy S10 series. Then there's another smartphone vendor OnePlus famously known for their "flagship killer" slogan with flagship specs at an affordable price? Release their OnePlus 7 Pro in May 2019 after Samsung Galaxy S10 in February 2019 but still failed to put a 802.11ax chip into their smartphone. Yeah right so called "flagship killer" laugh.gif , maybe need to wait year 2020.

Added more information into my previous post.

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QUOTE(Garena @ Aug 4 2019, 09:52 PM)
You're welcome. if you want a peace of mind just go for the flagship smartphones, you'll get the latest and greatest 2x2 MU-MIMO chip, it can't be wrong.

Something I'd like to point out though it's a shame that in year 2019 those smartphone vendors still didn't put 802.11ax chip into their flagship smartphones like the Huawei P30 series, Xiaomi Mi 9, Redmi K20 Pro, LG G8. So far only Samsung did it with their Samsung Galaxy S10 series. Then there's another smartphone vendor OnePlus famously known for their "flagship killer" slogan with flagship specs at an affordable price? Release their OnePlus 7 Pro in May 2019 after Samsung Galaxy S10 in February 2019 but still failed to put a 802.11ax chip into their smartphone. Yeah right "flagship killer" laugh.gif , maybe need to wait year 2020.

Added more information into my previous post.
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QUOTE(taqu @ May 2 2019, 08:06 AM)
2.4ghz can actually reach 130mbps with 2x2 devices provided no neighbour signals.

Need to know your home's layout & existing router location before further advise.
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You right, i can reach a speed maximum of 130Mbps on 2.4Ghz 2x2 40Mhz 802.11n
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how to check if the device support this 2x2 40Mhz 802.11n aka dual band?
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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Aug 22 2019, 03:59 PM)
how to check if the device support this 2x2 40Mhz 802.11n aka dual band?
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Check the spec sheet.

N300 is definitely 2X2

40Mhz on Wireless N is almost impossible these days especially on apartment due to interference. The router will not run at 40Mhz even though you force it.
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I got a tplink ac1200 using unifi. When I connect to wifi using s10 plus, there are couple of site that I cannot access and some games that load halfly. Anyone experience problem like that ?
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QUOTE(neo_6053 @ Sep 16 2019, 09:38 AM)
I got a tplink ac1200 using unifi. When I connect to wifi using s10 plus, there are couple of site that I cannot access and some games that load halfly. Anyone experience problem like that ?
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Link boost refers to using both Wifi & 4G. There's another version using both 5GHz & 2.4GHz Wifi.

Link to 256 QAM:

https://7signal.com/802-11ac-migration-part...-about-256-qam/
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Hi, this is the first time I'm troubleshooting with these technical subject. I have just recently found out that my family has been subscribing a much higher speed package while receiving much less speed in actual reality. A bigger part of the reason this issue was left alone for long time was due to miscommunication as they only knew that they have upgraded the package but can not remember which one is it now and I always thought the speed was only a little lesser that what it should be.

Now that I just checked with TM point it turns out that 500mbps is actually the subscribed package. The speed we usually been having were around 30~110mbps download speed depending on the 2.4G or 5G channel was used. I just called 100 just now and was told that the 2.4G channel caps at around 100mbps while 5G caps at around 200mbps. So this leads to me confusing right now and started checking to this subject...

The router we are using right now is a router that was just resubscribed from TM around 1~2 years ago (not sure model name). In order to achieve higher speed, do I need to changed to another router model? also why are they giving us a model that cant achieve the speed of what they should be giving...? sad.gif

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