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SUSskyblu3
post Sep 13 2018, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Sep 12 2018, 10:13 AM)
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Hate all these HD riders. All Gaya but safety is lowest priority.
No safety gears.
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post Sep 13 2018, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 13 2018, 02:48 PM)
Hate all these HD riders.  All Gaya but safety is lowest priority.
No safety gears.
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Nolah, don't hate them lah. Just hope that they see the light and wake up to the fact that even though they need gaya, safety must always come first.
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post Sep 13 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Sep 13 2018, 02:11 PM)
Yup, that has been my riding motto for some time already. Thing is, always use mirrors and see what's behind you. Practice 360 safety. I also sometimes glance upwards...never know if a satellite might crash on me!
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Sep 13 2018, 02:21 PM)
Hehe disagree.... my twin Yoshimurahs are the best investment I ever made on my bike. Cars really do pay attention when they hear that throaty roar, so that always helps out in traffic.

So I have hardly ever had to sound my horn at other cars. In fact, the only time I use my horn is (ironically) when fuckwit bikers casually jump the divider in front of me or ride against the traffic flow towards me. Fucking idiots.

Cheapo LED spotlights help make me noticeable in cars' rearview mirrors too.
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Each to their own I guess. Loud pipes can sometimes be white noise to some drivers. Just that, horns are front facing and exhaust are rear facing. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 13 2018, 02:48 PM)
Hate all these HD riders.  All Gaya but safety is lowest priority.
No safety gears.
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You haven't seen litre bike rempits before? Apart from just wearing t-shirts going 200++ km/h, if at karak, they'll overtake you real effin close. ranting.gif
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post Sep 13 2018, 04:44 PM

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You haven't seen litre bike rempits before? Apart from just wearing t-shirts going 200++ km/h, if at karak, they'll overtake you real effin close. ranting.gif
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them also. Got money but big bike buy cannot afford basic safety riding gears
I do get laughed by some because I wear safety jacket with chest amour, gloff, knee shin protection.... Even steering my daily ride to work. Some laugh at me asking , go racing ah ?

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post Sep 13 2018, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 13 2018, 04:44 PM)
Got money but big bike buy cannot afford basic safety riding gears
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I do wonder how many of these riders actually own their bikes, as opposed to having them on some insane loan with no hope of repayment.

Another issue with t-shirt and jeans on sportbikes is that the wind tends to lift up the back of the shirt at speed...been exposed to way too many buttcracks this way doh.gif
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post Sep 14 2018, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 13 2018, 04:44 PM)
them also.  Got money but big bike buy cannot afford basic safety riding gears
I do get laughed by some because I wear safety jacket with chest amour, gloff, knee shin protection.... Even steering my daily ride to work.  Some laugh at me asking , go racing ah ?
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I wear full gear ride my Demak kapchai
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post Sep 14 2018, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(deadwolf @ Sep 13 2018, 05:14 PM)
Another issue with t-shirt and jeans on sportbikes is that the wind tends to lift up the back of the shirt at speed...been exposed to way too many buttcracks this way doh.gif
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Wind doesn't lift leather.
However when you're tumbling on the road in excess of 100kph, it WILL roll up.

That's why they are zipper/tied down to your riding pants.

I learned by losing a good portion of stomach skin.
Road rash sucks.

On that same note, jeans work like tissue paper on the road.
Lost a lot of thigh skin learning that.

Did I say road rash sucks? laugh.gif
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post Sep 14 2018, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Sep 10 2018, 09:49 PM)
As i’m new to the biking world, im not sure on all the unwritten rules of the road, can any experienced rider share abit? Like how to tell if someone “bakar line”? How to know when its safe to cut other biker during a corner? Cannot cut at all?

Here’s a few from me:



6. Do not roadrage VS cars, you will undeniably die if you met someone that is not a pondan. Ie. For me i will without a question bang the fk out of you until you fly if you actually triggered me unnecessarily. I’m a biker myself, but no mercy for orang bodoh.
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if you actually consider banging the so-called 'orang bodoh' then u are actually no different than him/her. LOL.

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post Sep 14 2018, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 13 2018, 02:48 PM)
Hate all these HD riders.  All Gaya but safety is lowest priority.
No safety gears.
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Not only HD riders.
If observe the sportbike / DP / Gold Wing riders, they also have the same mentality. tongue.gif
Just wearing t-shirt, jeans, gloves and maybe riding boots while blasting down the public roads at high speeds. doh.gif shakehead.gif
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post Sep 14 2018, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 14 2018, 01:15 AM)
I wear full gear ride my Demak kapchai
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Good bro

I'm sure you rather sweat a bit than to bleed .
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post Sep 14 2018, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Sep 14 2018, 09:30 AM)
Not only HD riders.
If observe the sportbike / DP / Gold Wing riders, they also have the same mentality.  tongue.gif
Just wearing t-shirt, jeans, gloves and maybe riding boots while blasting down the public roads at high speeds.  doh.gif shakehead.gif
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Amazing. Not even gloves

Some famous local vlogger also don't wear safety gears and speed on public roads. Rubbish.
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post Sep 16 2018, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ Sep 11 2018, 03:41 PM)
Agreed! And I think I'm a bit over the top with this, even the slightest wheel turn of a car (on a straight road), I will bleep my horn (not because angry but just to make sure the car knows that I am there).
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I somewhat about skeptical in this. I prefer brake over horn. Horn is like hey driver, I'm here, please make necessary adjustment for my safety. Brake is more on me making adjustment for my own safety. I prefer in control rather put my safety on someone else who may or may not notice. Furthermore bike can always out maneuver and overtake car during traffic jam every time so choose the safest time.
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QUOTE(mypie @ Sep 16 2018, 12:01 PM)
I somewhat about skeptical in this. I prefer brake over horn. Horn is like hey driver, I'm here, please make necessary adjustment for my safety. Brake is more on me making adjustment for my own safety. I prefer in control rather put my safety on someone else who may or may not notice. Furthermore bike can always out maneuver and overtake car during traffic jam every time so choose the safest time.
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Lol... of course la horn + do some action sweat.gif
Agree on your points tho thumbup.gif
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post Sep 18 2018, 09:43 PM

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Seems plenty HD rider hater around here... Sad..

I tell ya all the secret, More PATCH on the leather vest, the more protection it provide.. FREEDOM!


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post Sep 18 2018, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Sep 13 2018, 02:00 PM)
This one I disagree. Kapcai riders may think the gap is wide, but if you're riding a >600cc bike it may not be.

Besides, what's wrong with queuing up once in a while? Naik kapcai ada hak istimewa kah? This mentality is the root of most problems with bikers.


This too I disagree. There is NOTHING wrong riding a bike without wringing the throttle to the max. Tailgating is annoying, sure, but surely you can't fault someone who follows the traffic flow like a decent person should.

That said, bikers who can't overtake should let others pass instead of holding up the traffic on the right lane. But that's basic traffic rule which applies to all vehicles.
If I have one unwritten rule to contribute, it would be this:

DO NOT RIDE A MOTORCYCLE WITH A FEELING OF SELF-ENTITLEMENT.

In the traffic jungle, bikes are the insects at the bottom of the traffic collision food chain. If you hit others, you die. If others hit you, you also die. So just ride as if you truly acknowledge that fact.
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For your first point, refer back to my 1st page post with some visual. Your sentences is all over the place so i'm not sure what exactly you're trying to contribute here.
If a >600cc bike "thinks" that the spot is NOT wide enough for himself, at least DON'T block it for everyone else la. I myself ride a z900 for first bike and have no experience riding any smaller bikes, but i am well aware that i am not the king of the road, unlike you who look down on kapchai and don't want to give way to kapchai saying stupid shit like "Naik kapcai ada hak istimewa kah?"

For your second point, that's a good summary of what i just wrote, so agree that DO NOT RIDE A MOTORCYCLE WITH A FEELING OF SELF-ENTITLEMENT, and you riding and eating up 1 lane and keeps on following a car at their blindspot or making it hard for them to switch lane because you're speedmatching, then when car want to switchlane - you go cut and horn horn thinking you own the road. Also, it's quite annoying that my car has a blindspot monitor which lights up my sidemirror and gives intermittent beeps forever as the bikes just fking sticks around forever.

In summary, riding a motorcycle as if you're driving a car is a stupid idea in Malaysia at least. That's what i learned from multiple close call during my first 9 months on the road on a motorcycle. However on my 20+ years of car driving experience, is only very rarely i see bikes do that - so now i'm guessing they are just new riders, hence this post is to educate newer rider. Care to contribute instead of ego-boosting yourself? Ya most probly your comeback will be like "wah gua boss riding 99years what u 9months old noob know la - judging by the way your responses are rolleyes.gif


QUOTE(leon898 @ Sep 14 2018, 09:27 AM)
if you actually consider banging the so-called 'orang bodoh' then u are actually no different than him/her. LOL.
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Yeap, it is what it is, sad right - even with me riding a motorcycle, i still give no mercy to motorcyclist trying to act like a gangster when i'm driving a car. Without a doubt, you'll get sideswiped if you met the wrong person. So don't risk road-raging, i myself won't roadrage when on a bike.
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post Sep 18 2018, 11:40 PM

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i think you guys misunderstood each other at some points..

anyway hard to change local riders mentality...

gomen oso gave up with all those kempen keselamatan jalan raya.. every year fatalities continue to increase...
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post Sep 18 2018, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Sep 18 2018, 09:43 PM)
Seems plenty HD rider hater around here... Sad..

I tell ya all the secret, More PATCH on the leather vest, the more protection it provide..  FREEDOM!
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i agree with ' freedom '

riding a motorbike is to get out of the 'cage'..

to feel the wind blasting on ur face and body..

full suit ff helmet balaclava earplugs.. u know wht i mean.. biggrin.gif

to them.. might as well not ride at all..
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post Sep 19 2018, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(mypie @ Sep 16 2018, 12:01 PM)
I somewhat about skeptical in this. I prefer brake over horn. Horn is like hey driver, I'm here, please make necessary adjustment for my safety. Brake is more on me making adjustment for my own safety. I prefer in control rather put my safety on someone else who may or may not notice. Furthermore bike can always out maneuver and overtake car during traffic jam every time so choose the safest time.
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Yeah this is a really good point, about taking responsibility for yourself rather than putting it in the hands of other road users.

I used to use the horn quite often until I read a post on reddit which explained that using the horn takes valuable time/brainpower away from braking. I think the comparison was something like this:

Use horn but no brakes >> no guarantee that car will stop >> car doesn't stop >> you crash into car while horning.

Use brakes but no horn >> no guarantee that car will stop >> car doesn't stop >> shit your pants from the shock but manage to stop before hitting car because you started braking earlier.

Now I focus more on planning ahead and slowing down in advance. It's less stressful, fewer nasty surprises and feels smoother. No difference in overall travel time either. Still save the horn for the more competence-challenged road users when its safe to do so though.


QUOTE(ajaibman @ Sep 18 2018, 09:43 PM)
Seems plenty HD rider hater around here... Sad..

I tell ya all the secret, More PATCH on the leather vest, the more protection it provide..  FREEDOM!
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More patches = more ablative material between you and the road if end up crashing and sliding... brows.gif

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post Sep 19 2018, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Sep 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
For your first point, refer back to my 1st page post with some visual. Your sentences is all over the place so i'm not sure what exactly you're trying to contribute here.
If a >600cc bike "thinks" that the spot is NOT wide enough for himself, at least DON'T block it for everyone else la. I myself ride a z900 for first bike and have no experience riding any smaller bikes, but i am well aware that i am not the king of the road, unlike you who look down on kapchai and don't want to give way to kapchai saying stupid shit like "Naik kapcai ada hak istimewa kah?"

For your second point, that's a good summary of what i just wrote, so agree that DO NOT RIDE A MOTORCYCLE WITH A FEELING OF SELF-ENTITLEMENT, and you riding and eating up 1 lane and keeps on following a car at their blindspot or making it hard for them to switch lane because you're speedmatching, then when car want to switchlane - you go cut and horn horn thinking you own the road. Also, it's quite annoying that my car has a blindspot monitor which lights up my sidemirror and gives intermittent beeps forever as the bikes just fking sticks around forever.

In summary, riding a motorcycle as if you're driving a car is a stupid idea in Malaysia at least. That's what i learned from multiple close call during my first 9 months on the road on a motorcycle. However on my 20+ years of car driving experience, is only very rarely i see bikes do that - so now i'm guessing they are just new riders, hence this post is to educate newer rider. Care to contribute instead of ego-boosting yourself? Ya most probly your comeback will be like "wah gua boss riding 99years what u 9months old noob know la - judging by the way your responses are rolleyes.gif
Yeap, it is what it is, sad right - even with me riding a motorcycle, i still give no mercy to motorcyclist trying to act like a gangster when i'm driving a car. Without a doubt, you'll get sideswiped if you met the wrong person. So don't risk road-raging, i myself won't roadrage when on a bike.
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Wow.. so much anger, are you Romano Fenati in disguise. shocking.gif

There is thousand reason on why rider do what they do and many more obstacle on why they didn't do what they suppose to do. For filtering, some time the gap get narrower I stuck between 2 cars. With no where to go I stop at what ever point I am. You see, while filtering is legal, it is not in any way become your right, it is merely an opportunity. So when you stuck, just treat it as lost of opportunity. honking neither make you go any faster nor make me move.

At one time, I accidentally rode so fast and left my gang so far behind and need to slow down for them to catch back. Riding below speed limit in highway is dangerous. What I did is follow closely behind moving car. In any case if the other vehicle did not see me, at least they will see the car to which I attach. This is defensive riding. If some rider match your car speed, this might be a valid reason thus the 101 guide no 10.

Oh.. your Z900 literary small to my bike, and this might be why we have a difference riding approach. Just enjoy your ride.

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post Sep 19 2018, 11:46 AM

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WOw,

why don't we discuss this in a TT, not in forum, this is not /k we all riders and brothers/sister.

Let me know if you guys keen to the TT let me organize it.

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