We've been misled by the extravagant costumes of Chinese dramas whether Taiwan, HK or mainland productions, where even the beggars are fat n wear clean new clothes.

Let's look at some real photos of commoners in those days. Of course where the photos are posed the people dressed up for the photos as it's not as easy as today to hv photos taken. And such photos are of relatively well off commoners.







Poor folks



Mixed



This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 26 2018, 09:21 AM

Vid 404

they wore black screen

So many black boxes.

Sorry fixing

Black Box Dynasty

Fixed for you, I also want see see look look

teeth also sure black black coz no brush teeth

Ya, black v trendy last time.

Hides dirt - the poor dun mandi

Apologies

# Salah 7


This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 26 2018, 09:25 AM

turn of the century time qing court phailing oredi

those were tumultuous times when china was at her weakest and warlords reigned supreme

Aiyah dun say liddat la, it's not true.

Poor hv no dental hygiene where got teeth to be black?

No beautiful lady and handsome young man last time. Maybe the geographical (yunnan and northern people), diet, etc. Pic from 1930/ww2 era is different, can see beauty and handsome lad.

Pls include the time span of the era. Not everyone knows when was the Qing era period n no hab time too giggle..

Kuku jiao panjang... i mean kuku panjang macam mak lampir

This post has been edited by arc_archive: Aug 26 2018, 09:35 AM

It's just the styling that makes the difference.

V clean hor

The year probably around 1880-1900. Camera was invented during american civil war and movie is around 1880++
Pic where you see male without pig tail is around 1900 ( during this time many cut off their pigtail.

1911 mark fall of qing dynasty.

Nope, not because of styling. I mean I look at their face. Let me know if you spot any beautiful lady / handsome guys. Let's research together.

Also you have pic from Southern china? Maybe there we can see more han people and they might be good looking.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Aug 26 2018, 09:43 AM

Must be 10 bags (high rank) mbr of famous Beggar Sect



Cleaner beggar




This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 26 2018, 09:44 AM

is that why you are in malaysia?

The famous Hua Tuo hermit

Apa kaitan?

I dun understand the question.

If you express yr question clearer I will answer

This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 26 2018, 09:47 AM

I do think it's just styling difference. And perception of what's beautiful.

No particular region has more beautiful ppl than another. That's just parochial prejudices.

What makes u think all the photos are of non-han ppl?

Don't know, just from the look. At the first video those who smoke opiym look like han people. And those monarch and soldier is manchu.

I watch many china 1930 video. The facial is clearly very different.

Indeed I hv read of that.

But my guess is that old China must hv areas piled with excrement too except there's no photos of that.

After all the poor n beggars probably pooped in the streets too n the richer had theirs thrown out onto the streets as well.

Old cameras needed quite long exposure time, probably no one wanted to remain in or close to piles of excrement to take photos. Haha

Further, it's harder to see specific details in b&w photos n it's not HD quality. What u see as a shadow or rock on the ground may well be shit.

This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 26 2018, 10:06 AM

Pls post

Are you retarded? Are you thinking of medieval Europe??

Not that I want to fanboy over Europe or anything, but during the 1880s-1900s Europe and London for example was way better kept and more advanced than Qing China. Most well in the prime of being wealthy Imperial powers di. No one would leave their home without a hat (go look at pictures) and you definitely wouldn't see naked boys in the street with only rags to wear on top.





Janganlah jilat sampai bangang sangat pls

Hong Kong 1930. 12 years before ww2

life was hell for the less priviledge whether you lived in western countries or asian countries in the early 20th century.

nowadays the B40 could afford to own bike or car, cukur lah.



This post has been edited by tictac88: Aug 26 2018, 10:21 AM

Styling changed so much already.

Just saw this

Ok the first pic got beauty. After all cannot .
You can find hong kong 1880 video?

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Aug 26 2018, 10:23 AM

The burden of proof falls on you to provide.

"Qing China is more civilized than Europe"
"Europe in 1900s the streets are filled with shit you can't move"

Waiting for pictures of those... Meanwhile when I type 1900s Europe, I get:



"Europe in 1900s the streets are filled with shit you can't move"
You must mean medieval Europe dude.
"Qing China is more civilized than Europe"
"Qing China is more civilized than Europe"
Lol. Trust me it's not just me laughing. Everyone's laughing at that. The Chinese are laughing at you.

What he said is true, not saying there is no poor people in uk but the street really are cleaner because the government is very wealthy after robbing from india, malaya, africa, middle east and China (opium) + hong kong + shanghai.

Those pictures are usually during the time when famine and civil war, if late 1800s the Qing dynasty is already on its last legs, government defunct and ridden with opium, no different when it fall, maybe worse during Chiang kai shek’s time as I heard a British missionary said there’s dead bodies on the streets and these elites don’t see them as human, it’s no wonder why communism too over so fast.

how does china "beauties" transform from this:


to 1930 shanghai like this:


to now like this:



so mutants are real?

You're just pushing it to me because you can't find any pictures yourself, eh?

"Qing China is more advanced than 1900s Europe"


This post has been edited by DeerCollision: Aug 26 2018, 11:26 AM

Nope, only royal family is half Manchu, no real aisin gioro bloodline since before puyi.

Many whom u see who are “monarch or soldiers “ are Han.
Banner armies were almost wiped out during taiping rebellion. Many of these pics are modern armies before they don the uniform.

Pic below are Manchu royalty(like it or not there is Han royalty also like some Ming dynasty prince puyi had)

This post has been edited by tdzheng: Aug 26 2018, 11:02 AM


Attached thumbnail(s)

Accents from different regions

Styling - clothes, makeup, hair - changed.

that final pic obviously show d...

bora2 incoming for ts

In China, people are everywhere.

and most of all camera lighting

lol dat punai

or could it be selective breeding? aliens are invading and polluting the great earth genes. see how the eyes gradually become bigger and the chin become sharper as time goes on?

alien	earth

This post has been edited by tictac88: Aug 26 2018, 11:34 AM

Until now cannot provide any evidence of this in 1900 Europe/Edwardian London and ask people to believe. You watch too much Medieval drama lol

Then ask people to post pictures for him to prove his fever theory.

Show me the shit-filled streets? Meanwhile people laughing left right and centre at your claim that war-torn and poverty stricken Qing Dynasty was more advanced than Europe of the same period. Go back to history class la, boy

their skin so tanned

This is Not true.

Below the Emperor u hv the nobles who were either nobles by birth or were granted titles for service to the country, some titles hereditary some not.

Then u hv a class of officials who may be nobles as well. Of course some official appointments are more prestigious n hv more opportunities to make money.

Below that there's the merchant class who may hv lots of money but status is below officials.

You may not be aware but no matter how much money a merchant has, he still had to adhere to the social rules which determined every aspect of life eg how many concubines u can hv, wat material u can wear, how many horses + type+color to draw yr carriage, how many slaves /servants u can hv, wat yr wife + daughters can wear, type of jewellery + gemstones etc.

So status was v important n anyone can try to improve one's status by education. It was the only way one can elevate oneself n family. This is a major reason Chinese emphasize heavily on education.

If you are educated u are respected; more so than if you only hv money.

Of course the world has changed even for Chinese, many now think money is more important than anything else.

Title of this vid is "kids of prosperous families"



This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 26 2018, 12:24 PM

Tersembur my mee kolo merah 😁

This is not surprising as qing dynasty was one of those extreme corrupted period where the arustocrats are rich but the common people are poor.

The jurchens did not fully adopt chinese way of running a country causing extreme inequality.

I'm glad my error is a source of amusement to ktards.

Btw, I hope u picked up or slurped up the mee kolo - waste no want not

Pls ref post #51

Seems to be agreeing with me. Thank you.

Comprehension FAIL

Tbh i dont know how is it even relevant to me. But i made mention of aristocracy and you made mention of nobles.

So you are agreeing with me that only a small group of people is rich and the rest is poor.

Thank you again.

mindset and general preception.... last time the lady must be fat and backside must be big to indicate she is very "subur".... the real beauty is not by face but rather the feet.... the smaller the pretty and elegant .... only well do family girls can have foot binding because no need to work...

This post has been edited by sukhoi35mk: Aug 26 2018, 01:20 PM

Colour photographs!!

Woooo

U said "the common people are poor" which if u had read n understood #51, u would know is not necessarily true.

Merchants could be very rich n they are not classed as "arustocrats" or nobles but as commoners.

The underlined statement is not the same as what u said abt "arustocrats".

There were poor manchus n rich hans as well.

Soon...the Qing dynasty ended....replaced by a new warlord era...just like the end of Han dynasty....Japanese invasion...bloody civil war.

Now...the glorious capitalistic communist dynasty

U forgot that the qing dynasty closed its door to the outside world for many years. So. What merchant?

There is no international merchant, only domestic merchant.

Even later when qing dynasty door was force open later, trading permits are confined to a small amount of priviledged people, guess who? Mostly aristocrats.

tagged

fan qing fu ming??

In 1911-1930 , it's actually the replubic of china getting the upper hand over communists china. Communist china is reduced to only 1 single provience until the japanese attack china in 1932. Both republic china and communist china agreed on ceasefire to fight against japanese agressor.

After world war 2 ended. China civil war resume where both republic china and communist china is on equal footings. Republic china lost to communist because whenever communist china take over city, they open the granary to give good to the people + spreading propaganda like " before revolution, we are the slave to the nobles. After revolution, we are the slave to the slave", making them getting more and more influence in China as people savior. Yes, a bag of grain is winning the war for communist china. Losing the battle, Republic china fled to taiwan.

That's why taiwan claimed they are the real china. If we look back at the the Chinese national flag in 1920, its the koumintang flag (white star with blue circle) which was used by taiwan until today.

Japanese occupation changing the china history forever.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Aug 26 2018, 06:45 PM

indaresting

Part of it I was talking about after ww2, my bad not posting the date.

And ur on spot on what ur saying, nice 👍

interacial marriages among the ancestors maybe ?

Amazing how a few generations of better nutrition/diet can change entire populations....

In fact the whole world was shorter and smaller 100 years ago, compared to today. So a lot of movies where they showing the era is olden days is simply NOT accurate, especially if it depicts Asia.

Because the people looked different back then (worse looking mostly) and smaller size.

This post has been edited by Hobbez: Aug 26 2018, 07:56 PM

Those were commoners. Lets face it china has been in turmoil and a lot of wars and warlords. Lu ingat commoners peasants all wear inside castle mia tvb drama bling bling clothes? Pakaila otak cikit sohaiz.

pakai jubah?

Better diet/nutrition.

This is certainly interesting thought - is it because of diet or is it because of gene? Hard to tell.

Yunnan lady present day.





There are some lady who look like lady in old photo, some are beautiful, because of diet or because of mix breeding?

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Aug 26 2018, 09:14 PM

Take something like "height". Humans have definitely grown taller over the past 100 years.

http://content.time.com/time/health/articl...1820836,00.html

Don't forget nowadays we got make up and last time women have no make up. No plastic surgery...

Last time, fat women considered beautiful also.....

Nowadays, even people around 50 years old, still look like 30s, but such a phenomenon was unthinkable 100-70 years ago.

People expected to grow old at 50 and become grandpa and grandma. They never exercise also. They had no gym, no knowledge about health.

Not any more these days.....

This post has been edited by Hobbez: Aug 26 2018, 09:28 PM

You're right I guessed. With improved food science, we can get access to better and safer food nutrients and improving our lifestyle, health and longevity.

Compare to old time where life expectancy is low, around 50-60 years, ( I guessed from the age of each longest servings emporer kangxi and yong zheng who died of old age)

Not commoner but proves pretty, beautiful gal did exist in old era



This post has been edited by EdBaaBaa: Aug 27 2018, 06:51 AM

Gambar zaman atuk pun so many rage.

Probably all in picture already dead, go get concern on something more recent and pressing la