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 Clearing stocks before the coming crash, what have I missed out in the analysis?

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Cubalagi
post Jul 12 2019, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jul 12 2019, 12:43 PM)
Yes, majority of my holdings are overseas as well. SP500 is the best indicator in my opinion . Even with currency fluctuation . Even Singapore REITs up by 18% this year itself(I certainly didn’t expect that)

Well, even with said fees, I profited a lot more from the run up the past few months. You listen to your gurus but are selective based on your own preference. I stuck to what works by not timing the market and DCA and so far have been rewarded. Ha

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Well done so far but since you admit that u only have about 40% Equities exposure then it's actually not such a great performance total portfolio wise.


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post Jul 12 2019, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 12 2019, 03:00 PM)
You have to decide which currency is your base currency. Looks like you use USD as your base currency ?
Since most of my assets and expenses are currently in MYR, base currency is MYR.

So when I track investment value n performance, I convert foreign currency assets to prevailing MYR. It's not something I do everyday one.. Once a month or maybe two months. That's usually when my foreign currency FD matures... .I also look at trends to decide Top up, maintain or reduce..

But I don't trade US market... I support Bursa Malaysia.. 😆

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post Jul 13 2019, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jul 13 2019, 11:34 AM)
This is my up to date holdings
Thanks for sharing such detailed breakdown.!

I see private equity.. How do you invest there? Is it via a fund?

Personally, I can't take too many platforms. Too much work to track n not so convinient to switch.
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post Jul 13 2019, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 13 2019, 08:46 PM)
Market timing don't usually work because you will forever be hoping it will drop even further/too scared to enter.

If KLSE opens -40% tomorrow, I bet non of these market timing people will even buy. They will expect another drop in the following day. Before they can enter, it's already +30%.
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KLSE can't open tomorrow coz it's Sunday... 😅

N if u mean Monday, then it is impossible for KLSE to drop 40% on a single day. Most ppl are probably aware that there is a limit down price of 30% for stocks above RM1. But what most ppl are probably not aware is that there is a KLCI limit down of 10%. This has been triggered only once in 2008, right after GE where BN lost 2/3 majority.

At current level, this would mean a 166 point drop, putting KLCI at 1500. If for some strange reason* that happens, I would likely buy on Tuesday... Does it make me a market timer? .. 😆

* actually come to think of it.. I can think of one reason our market maybe can fall tht way under current condition.. . Someone important pass away..


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post Jul 13 2019, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 13 2019, 09:31 PM)
Just an analogy.
Didn't know KLSE has a limit down. Isn't the index based on stocks like Tenaga, Maybank, TopGlov etc? If all those drop by 30%, how can the KLSE not drop more than 10%?

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The KLCI is the sum of those big cap stocks, with each stock carrying different weights and points in KLCI. The stocks will fall at different levels and at different speeds, but once the accumulated points caused the KLCI to drop 10%. the whole market (not just KLCI stocks) will be suspended.

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post Jul 14 2019, 01:22 PM

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Ha ha.. Sifu has spoken.. 😆

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post Jul 16 2019, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 16 2019, 07:10 AM)
Look what I found searching the Internet...
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Yawn....
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Based on this I'm a market timer..

I use macro indicators like index levels, economic outlook, foreign n retail participation levels etc to decide when n how much to enter and exit market. Then do some FA to pick the stocks.

Malaysia n China (HK) equity market, this work for me, so far. US market.. I probably won't do so well (thts why I dont invest there). I think US being superpower, some economic concept gets suspended.

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 16 2019, 02:44 PM)


So amusing that this has caused disturbance....
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Better some disturbance then no activity.. 😆. Otherwise koptiam only.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 16 2019, 05:20 PM)
"so far..." is how long ? Curious...
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I started DIY investing in 2012..

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post Jul 16 2019, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 16 2019, 10:24 PM)
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More like a born-again investor.. 😆
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post Jul 17 2019, 12:43 PM

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TS sold all in December last year r. There is still more than 5 months to end of the year. Could still big crash coming this year, SnP500 and KLCI start falling down to 1200 levels... . Owai.. World will shake n TS will say I told u so...😅

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post Jul 17 2019, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jul 17 2019, 01:04 PM)
So far, TS never really outperform anyone cause anyone who stayed invested who have rode the massive returns from Q1 and Q2.
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Where got massive returns on bursa? 😆

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-really-boring/


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post Jul 17 2019, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jul 17 2019, 02:29 PM)


Bursa aiyoyo. I wonder what is the small/mid cap performance for Bursa though.
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Small mid caps got la.. Even some large cap Bursa could make money. But without a broad based rally, it's much harder. Hit n miss.

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Hehe.. Dont lock this thread again ya..
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 2 2020, 11:17 AM)

Covid19 as the straw that broke the camel's back? (camel's back = global economy).

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I guess this is the question, whether COVID-19 is THE feather.

Historically if u look at SARs, market rebounded after the virus peaked. Otoh, we live in a very different world now then 2003 n history may be different.

So my strategy is not to go all in, but also not to go out completely from the market. With a more defensive posture compared to end of last year, where I was more bullish.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 2 2020, 05:35 PM)

Good change to defensive portfolio.

All the best. Like to hear from you on the positives and negatives of your strategy after the crash.
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Only after "Crash"? How do u define Crash?
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post Mar 2 2020, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 2 2020, 08:44 PM)
When a major index drops by 20% or more is a crash to me.

19.5% = 20% is also a crash then! Ha.
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KLSE from its peak in April 18 to now is down about 22%. So the crash has happened then.

Or are u referring to other global markets?


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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 2 2020, 09:43 PM)
To me, the time scale is days or weeks.

Use DJIA in 2008 as an example. See below.

Yes, I was referring to global market crash.
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I would say the klse slow-mo type of crash is more dangerous than a fast crash, which tend to have a V recovery. But since you are talking about a global market crash, then maybe the MSCI World Index is a good benchmark.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=.WORLD

It's currently at 2212 points, after the correction last week. Peak was at 2434 points on 12 Feb 2020. A 20% correction from peak would mean that it would need to fall to 1947 points.

I recalled you sold "all" (u never stated which stocks) in Dec 18. So just as comparison, as at 31 Dec 18, the MSCI World was at 1904 points. Means that, even with a 20% crash, you would still be better off staying in the market.

So I think you need to look at a 30-40% global crash, for the decision to stay out to be correct (unless you are a bursa player haha).

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Mar 3 2020, 09:22 PM)
But for 2008 case, taking the US market as an example. If you are not highly leverage, and did not sell any in 2008. You would have recover all by end 2009. That is just one year in lost earning / negative territory.
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If u look at SnP500, measured from peak in 2007 followed by the crash and recovery to the same level, took about 4 years and not 1 year.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 4 2020, 07:22 PM)

That is history now. Best for me not to sit there, doing nothing and later regret with another huge price drop. It has fallen by about 30% since Dec 2018. So  biggrin.gif  with my decision and action in 2018.
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Wrong stock selection then coz the market hasnt really crashed from end 2018. U could have just bot SPY n would hv made good returns.

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