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post Apr 9 2021, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 9 2021, 02:21 PM)
@safedisk said micron strong on intel also

cl amd prefers even timings is it?  always see ppl doing c14,16,18 rare c15,17,19??
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Yeah since 1st gen, Ryzen prefers even CAS timings.
Above 2666 usually the odd CL you set will round up to closest even number with Geardown mode enabled and 1T.
Disabling GDM will allow you to run at odd CL and 2T.
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post Apr 10 2021, 05:11 PM

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CPU temperatures & power draws...

Realbench v2.56 (15 mins) - CPU Temperature
CPU Idle (°C) Load (°C)
10900K @ 5.1 GHz All-Core 40.9 89.4
5900X @ 4.5 GHz All-Core 44.8 88.6
5900X @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz 44.0 91.5

Realbench v2.56 (15 mins) - CPU Package Power
CPU Idle (W) Load (W)
10900K @ 5.1 GHz All-Core 29.5 210.2
5900X @ 4.5 GHz All-Core 63.4 209.0
5900X @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz 37.3 221.6

Realbench v2.56 (15 mins) - Total System Power Consumption (CPU+GPU+etc)
CPU Idle (W) Load (W)
10900K @ 5.1 GHz All-Core 132.0 744.0
5900X @ 4.5 GHz All-Core 144.0 692.0
5900X @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz 116.0 704.0

Battlefield V (10 mins) - CPU Temperature
CPU Idle (°C) Load (°C)
10900K @ 5.1 GHz All-Core 40.3 73.5
5900X @ 4.5 GHz All-Core 44.8 71.3
5900X @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz 44.8 77.0

Battlefield V (10 mins) - Total System Power Consumption (CPU+GPU+etc)
CPU Idle (W) Load (W)
10900K @ 5.1 GHz All-Core 132.0 596.0
5900X @ 4.5 GHz All-Core 148.0 556.0
5900X @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz 124.0 564.0

My setups:
10900K @ 5.1 GHz All-Core: vCore auto | LLC6 | SVID Trained | C-state off
5900X @ 4.5 GHz All-Core: vCore BIOS set 1.35v | LLC auto | C-state off
5900X @ @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz: PBO Mobo | CO - ve 25,25,25,25,25,25,30,30,30,25,30,25 | OCOV +200MHz| C-state off
Custom WC: by EK-Supremacy EVO RGB + 2x RX360 + 12x GT + 1x D5
ROG Strix B550-I, BIOS 2007 | Maximus XII FORMULA, BIOS 2005
2x16GB TridentZ Royal 4000C17 B-die @ 3800 14-15-15-28, cooled by 2x 60mm fans
TUF 3080 BIOS V2, OC +150/1100 | driver 461.81
AX1200i (digital power draw monitoring)
Dimastech EasyDual V2.5
Ambient 30C A/C off

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post May 28 2021, 10:17 PM

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post May 29 2021, 11:17 PM

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MSI X570/B550 New AGESA BIOS

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2. Update AGESA ComboV2PI 1203_PatchA
3. Added support for Ryzen 5000G APU

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post Jun 3 2021, 02:19 AM

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Holla Senpai, with 1.5K budget range, which mobo is the best in term of OC and ecstatic?
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post Jun 7 2021, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(verdict @ Jun 3 2021, 02:19 AM)
Holla Senpai, with 1.5K budget range, which mobo is the best in term of OC and ecstatic?
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For OC I always prefer boards that come with a debug LED for ease of error troubleshooting.

MSI X570 Unify or ACE
ASUS ROG Strix X570-E WI-FI

Unify is a solid board for OC, but if you want better performance efficiency then go for ASUS.
Nice VRM temp, high resale value and constant BIOS support.
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post Jun 7 2021, 01:24 PM

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Anyone tried the latest ClockTuner 2.1 RC5 already?
I recently tested the PX, P1 and P2 profiles recommended by the software. CB R20 results as below:

Cinebench R20
CPU MC (cb) SC (cb)
5900X @ CO -30/25 +200 MHz 8922 622
5900X @ CTR PX 7780 624
5900X @ CTR P1 8733 584
5900X @ CTR P2 8972 600

From my results, CTR P2 profile yields slightly better result than my curve optimizer method in terms of MT score (+0.6%) but lower by -3.5% in ST performance.
However, CTR PX profile gave the best ST score while registering the lowest MT score.
In conclusion, I still think that my CO still have the advantage in perfect balance of MT and ST performances. laugh.gif

My setup:
CPU: 5900X
CO: PBO Mobo | Per Core - ve 25,25,25,25,25,25,30,30,30,25,30,25 | OCOV +200MHz| C-state off
MB: ROG Strix B550-I, BIOS 3401
RAM: 2x16GB Klevv CRAS XR RGB 3600C18 DJR DR @ 3800 16-21-20-32-1T @ 1.40v | IF 1900 Synced
GPU: TUF 3080 BIOS V5, OC +150/1100 | driver 466.63
SSD: WD SN850 1TB + Crucial MX500 2TB
PSU: CM V850 SFX
Cooler: EK-AIO D-RGB 360mm + 6x EK Vardar-S 120 Fans
Case: Jonsplus i100 Pro

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post Jun 17 2021, 08:39 PM

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Thanks to thankyou I have a Cezanne APU to test a bit on a budget board.

Setup:
MB: MSI B550M A-PRO (Bios 2.40) [attached some small aluminum heatsinks to mosfets]
APU: AMD R7 5700G
RAM: 2x8GB 3733 22-23-23-55 HP37D4U1S8ME (weird HyperX Fury kit made for HP) (XMP 1) / changed to a average B-Die Kit later on
M.2: MP510 480GB
GPU: RTX 3080Ti / removed at later part for iGPU testing
PSU: AX850
Cooling: Custom Loop (1x 360mm slim rad) / changed to Sythe Fuma 2 after removing GPU
OS: Win 10 21H1 using windows balanced power plan
latest AMD drivers as of June 17th, 2021

CB R20 MC
Package Power Temp CPU Temp Mosfet Average Score Points Per Watt
95W 77°C 70°C 5505 57.95
88W (Stock) 75°C 68.5°C 5365 60.97
57W 58°C 56°C 4824 84.63
40W 50°C 50.5°C 4240 106
96W (1.275V load, 1.3V Bios LLC4) 4.5GhZ all core 76.5°C 70.5°C 5842 60.85
CB R20 MC/SC Scores [incl. mild boost clock override. (4.725GHz single core boost) 95W Package Power]
MC SC
5529 592
CB R20 MC/SC Scores [incl. CO (-11,-6,-11,-12,-13,-11,-11,-10)] (based on above settings)
MC SC
5628 600
Aida64: (changed to 4000 1:1:1 16-17-17-34 B-Dies) (can boot up to 4200 in sync but the required vSoC is getting to high for my tastes)
ReadWriteCopyLatency
~61.2k~61k~55.5k~50ns
Furthermore the CB20 scores also improved by... ~1% laugh.gif not gonna bother putting that down here.

Quick Gaming Benchmark:
SoTR CPU Game/Render 1080p Highest
MinMaxAverage95%
131/163 252/419187/247135/182
~15% slower than a 5800x with similar optimization.

iGPU time now (switched to a more realistic 3600 1:1:1 16-17-17-34 GDM enabled which should be easily possible for anyone with b-dies and a little time)
SoTR 3600 16-17-17-34
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SoTR 2400 JEDEC
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Conclusions:
Firstly I'd like to point out that this board despite being low in spec handles the top end Cezanne pretty good.
There are overclocking limitations such as on the IF part or even on the APU itself but this hardly matters for regular users.
If the connectivity is sufficient, this board will do just fine for any Cezanne APU.

Cezanne is a bit of a mixed bag. I have just pushed until IF 2100 1:1:1 and stopped there as the vSoC requirements were too high for what I'd consider a daily driver.
Even at this point it can't compete with the 5800X when it comes to gaming. The cache cut half is just too much. You'll end up looking at ~15% performance loss with similar system configurations whenever being CPU limited.
However this is also promising news with a Zen3 refresh with added cache around the corner.

Cezanne behaves a little different to Vermeer. It boosts roughly 150-250MHz lower in different load states and sticks to a single core for single core loads rather than cycling between two cores like Vermeer is doing. Latency didn't drop just as much as it did using Renoir over Zen2, I guess that's down to AMD optimizing Zen3 quite a bit there.

So should you consider a 5700G at ($359 USD) over a 5800X ($449 USD) or a 5600G ($259 USD) over a 5600X ($299 USD)? If you use a GPU I'd rather stick to their 5600X/5800X despite the top up in price. Alternatives would be Rocket Lake CPU's obviously such as the 11400F instead of the 5600X or 11700 instead of the 5800X. Hopefully prices on the Vermeer's will come down slightly with the Cezanne launch anyways.

But lets come to where Cezanne really shines. Power draw. This is the perfect APU for a GPU less system for casual 1080p low graphics gaming and regular workloads. It doesn't lose much efficiency going down to 57W package power. This 57W is also where this APU matches a 3700x (at a fraction of the power draw!) which should also be reasonably close in pricing upon launch. So imagine 3700x performance in a small system which is barely audible. Enough to get your work down and for some casual gaming with sacrifices on resolution and graphics.
I just reran the CPU at 55W package power, air cooling (Fuma 2) with the Curve Optimizer + Boost clock override settings above. CB R20 MC score is stable [email protected] points over 10 runs. And the system is hardly audible on a silent fan profile running at roughly 30K above ambient. drool.gif

It'll also be easily possible to run this chip using a PicoPSU after limiting power draws.
Take a look at the total system (excluding monitor) power draw of the above system (AX850) in idle.
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That's 13.2W for Mainboard, APU, RAM, Peripherals, 2 Fans, active iGPU with connected 1080p monitor ... with a PSU that will have quite some switching losses at this load. Take a PicoPSU and you'll be at ~10W. Possibly just below. Your Vermeer CPU can't even power its IO Die with that...

At this point I'd like to give a thanks to [thankyou] yet again for letting me test his 5700G. I'll probably be buying the 6 core myself if it is priced close to the USD msrp. Cheers.

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post Jun 18 2021, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 17 2021, 08:39 PM)
APU: AMD R7 5700G
RAM: 2x8GB 3733 22-23-23-55 HP37D4U1S8ME (HyperX Fury) (XMP 1)
So difficult to get one.

2 questions for you

1. How did you observe the idle W of the APU?

2. 3733 CL22? Possible to go tighter timings?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 18 2021, 04:27 PM)
So difficult to get one.

2 questions for you

1. How did you observe the idle W of the APU?

2. 3733 CL22? Possible to go tighter timings?
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1) so far using HWiNFO64, from my past experience (Renoir APU) with the digital reading from my AX1200i and a watt meter it's accurate. After I'm done with all my stuff I will slap a Fuma 2 on and show wall power draw.
2) For sure! That's just the XMP. SPD not accessible and RAM not mine so I can't take off heatspreaders to see what memory IC it is using. Anyways once Curve OC is done RAM is next on the list. Will figure with timings/frequency which memory IC I am likely to be dealing with.

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post Jun 18 2021, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Jun 18 2021, 04:47 PM)
1) so far using HWiNFO64, from my past experience (Renoir APU) with the digital reading from my AX1200i and a watt meter it's accurate. After I'm done with all my stuff I will slap a Fuma 2 on and show wall power draw.
2) For sure! That's just the XMP. SPD not accessible and RAM not mine so I can't take off heatspreaders to see what memory IC it is using. Anyways once Curve OC is done RAM is next on the list. Will figure with timings/frequency which memory IC I am likely to be dealing with.
Thanks. I never took note of 3733 kit like this.

I thought CL20 is like for 4000MHz (just as 18 for 3600, 16 for 3200) so seeing 3733 at CL22 very really low latency.


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