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post Dec 5 2018, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(wanttobuylaptop @ Dec 4 2018, 04:04 PM)
This is a recap of the event after i made my complaint known. I have given BP by yesterday to give me a reply on the matter. At 9.30pm the same CS gave me a pm on the app mentioned that they are still checking the matter and will revert to me ASAP. Well, at least i got a reply.
and then today 9.48am i received the call from the same CS telling me that the traction is indeed, ninja charged but the money isnt missing.
the amount is transfer from my wife card to my card. yes the card in question is my wife card. Her card was mostly only top up, and when she wants to withdraw she will transfer to me.

However, like john said, on 10 nov, i made a transfer and it was failed because i have too much money in my card.
john, that transaction was failed, as per checked by your CS.

what happened was, later that day my card balance was freed up and BP ninja authorized the said declined transaction, without notification on both our app, AND without ANY entry of the said transaction on both our app, and my wife excel export.

granted i didnt bother to check my own card because my card was use extensively for various top up, withdraw, and purchase. the only thing i check when i realized the problem is whether the money was transferred to me, however in the app it didnt.

SO, a declined transaction reauthorized without BOTH parties knowledge and without ANY entry in both party app, what you call this? i call this ninja Unauthorized charge.

John, BP is a deposit taking financial institute. I believe you guys should know a lot more on how serious it is for proper authorization to be in place on every single transaction. I received another call from Mohan and ask about my feedback and i laid the fact plain and simple, this is an unauthorizes charge, and it was made without the knowledge and consent of both parties.

To be frank, i have enough to sue, or at least make a very solid complaint against BP with BNM. My wife can just lodge a police report directly saying BP had admit on unauthorizes charges and request the money back, and i can said the money already spent and i am not a guilty party. it might stand, and it can stand given how bad it was for the system to unauthorized allow a transaction to go through without any entry. i didnt do so because i am genuinely like BP as a product and how the things in the end unfold, and how i am treated in the later part of the story. i am not usually so mercy.

today i agree to make love with you, so you think anytime anyday when you like it, you can F me? that would be considered as rape, and it consider rape even its between husband and wife. however everyday people around the world are getting raped over and over again by banks and financial institution and it is not okay. BP are the new kid in town and your specifically advertise saying BP are not like others and will not rip of their client(0% forex charges anyone?), and committed such offense. dont sugarcoat BP mistake, it is ninja charge, an unauthorized ninja charge.

Being only months old does not mean things like this can be happened. in tech start-up, you dont get years to grow mature, you get months and if you cannot stand strong enough within months, the existing big player will crush you, and the government will have no mercy as well.
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This is a very serious issue IMO, Jonathan has been assuring all of us that all those "lost in transit" amount or transactions are always there, will not be gone etc. But how many can really accept money just gone like that without trace.
Well some might say if scared don't use, but if it doesn't happen to you, you will not feel it.

QUOTE(BigPayJonathan @ Dec 4 2018, 07:31 AM)
Hey there, thanks for taking the time to write here. Is it possible that you made a P2P request / received money for an amount that would have exceeded your wallet limit? Also, can you check your app now and let us know if everything tallies?

As a general rule to remember: but we don't ninja charge anything to anyone. This would be everything we stand against. I really do apologise for your experience with our customer support was sub-par - it's something we really need to make sure doesn't happen.
Hey, welcome to the family! As I said just above, there's a logical reason for everything smile.gif PM me if you needed any more details or info!
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I think BP should seriously look into all these allegations, start with the above, if it's true, think you should explain in detail what actually happened and how BP intend to prevent it happening in future. This will give some confidence for those who're worried.


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post Dec 7 2018, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Dec 7 2018, 09:30 AM)
Yesterday used Bigpay on McDonalds in Giant Shah Alam Stadium. Wave failed, need to cucuk and enter pin.
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QUOTE(fruitie @ Dec 7 2018, 09:35 AM)
First time BigPay usage for contactless? McD's is one of the earliest to adopt for contactless, I'm surprised to see this happening.
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Used it at Melaka McD before also failed, not the first time I used wave with this card.
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post Dec 16 2018, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Dec 15 2018, 11:38 AM)
Has TnG e-wallet reload issue resolved? bigpayjonathan

It is collaborating with Mid Valley and The Gardens Mall, so I wanna make use of it while I'm working there. biggrin.gif
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Actually is it so important to keep trying BP for TnG reload? I have been using BP but after the issue, I just use normal CC. Will only revisit once I see ppl successfully use it. I leave it to BP to sort it out if they've intention to let their users top up to T&G.

On a side note, yeah it's damn good the tng promo, so lucky you work there. Went there today say notice up at Mou Tak Ding (was trying my luck see if they start the promo early but no haha, still 17th). I think will be super long queue during weekend.
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post Dec 21 2018, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(charlesj @ Dec 21 2018, 11:00 AM)
That's a bit risky, must standby some cash as well.
My recent Europe trip spend less than Eu50 cash (mainly on eatery)
Credit card (inc BP) all the way.
Brought only Eu300 cash, initially plan to try BP withdrawal, but end up not doing so (spend too little cash).
As long as they accept Paypal (more and more merchant are accepting Paypal nowadays)
But I would use Amex instead for GSC
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Until today somehow I still worry to use 100% BP overseas, especially those smaller shops, scared kena fraud again. Though Jonathan did mention before (if not mistaken) that BP is also protected for fraud, I'm not sure if anywhere in their T&C mentions this while we know credit card is always protected.

QUOTE(brandonkl @ Dec 21 2018, 04:39 PM)
Big Pay customer service is pretty useless.... I tried to top up my Big Pay card with RM 1,000. Big Pay app had a message and said error, didn't go through and asked me to try again. So, I did.. 2nd time went through... then 10 minutes later, the 1st one also went through. So now I have RM2,000 topped up.

I emailed support and they said they cannot cancel the topped up since it went through and asked me to withdraw from ATM. I said okay but will Big Pay absorb or waive the RM6 ATM fee... they said No .... they took almost 3 days to respond.
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I can confirm here that you can insist on the withdrawal fee refund. Stand on your ground

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post Dec 22 2018, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(stuffx @ Dec 21 2018, 11:24 PM)
What kind of fraud?
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Similar to credit card fraud, unauthorised use of your card, I can't find in their tnc if they do cover up to certain amount. Maybe can do some search on BNM, I do remember seeing BNM having a mandatory protection against fraud etc.
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post Dec 23 2018, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(charlesj @ Dec 22 2018, 10:53 AM)
Many merchants won't touch your card nowadays, you just wave / slot in card machine yourself without them handling your card. This will minimise the chances of fraud. Nevertheless, fraud is always there, just do your best to protect your card detail / minimise the chances happen to you. Never let merchant swipe your credit card (like those AEON swipe the member card), it will reveal all your info and it is illegal to do so (not sure how true).

With BP, your max lost is 10k (if BP not refunding you). You may top up small amount sufficient for daily use and keep the amount low inside your BP. Else draw cash from ATM will be another good option.
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Very true, maybe just me, since got hit once thank God Citibank covered everything that time that's why quite scared now

QUOTE(Jty @ Dec 22 2018, 07:24 PM)
Just FYI

Tried to withdraw via boost since boost charge rm2 per withdrawal for full 1500 withdrawal. Compare to rm6 per 3000 at most ATM.

It’s really not worth the time. First there’s delay like 1-3 business day for money to be credited to your bank.

The whole process needs to be flagged as completed by boost. While it is not completed, you cannot make another transaction.

Then there’s a maximum number of withdrawal. For now I think it’s 3 times per month. Coz I did 1500 but can’t withdraw. Now waiting next month. -.-
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I agree and don't think worth it at all by transferring to Boost and withdraw there, Boost tend to have many more problems with withdrawal, BP is very straightforward.

QUOTE(wilson1149 @ Dec 22 2018, 09:24 PM)
user posted image

Someone sharing how to'utilize' bp in fb..  Pro.
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QUOTE(fruitie @ Dec 22 2018, 10:35 PM)
From the title it says can reload with credit card and earn RM 85 cash back. It should mean SCB JustOne Plat card.
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Really not a fan of such publicity, LYN still ok still a small group, just don't want it to go viral. Don't know how long this game will last, just like Shopee, now they want to charge 1% fee already, still remember that time when they launched, they said their biz model very different, they don't need to rely on charging the seller fee, now different story
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post Dec 26 2018, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Dec 25 2018, 10:03 PM)
I just realised my free upgrade to contactless card banner is gone.. I got it earlier (months ago), how to retrieve ya? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 25 2018, 10:54 PM)
i'd like to know too. mine disappeared few days ago as well.
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QUOTE(minthiam @ Dec 25 2018, 10:55 PM)
Mine is gone too and i tried to chat with the cs and that dude was very helpful. He told that he can manually help to to upgrade for free and he thought it will be better to do the upgrade after the holiday seasons.
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Haha me too, noticed it like 2 days ago, couldn't be bothered at all. In fact prefer they remove as I always worried I accidently click the upgrade banner

Not upgrading until they manage to retain the same card number and no need to replace card (or at least don't deactivate current card until we activate new card)
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post Dec 26 2018, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Dec 26 2018, 11:22 AM)
Bigpay is the most easy way to withdraw cash.......just pay RM6 for 3-4K in one shot...... innocent.gif
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QUOTE(filidon @ Dec 26 2018, 11:58 AM)
agreed. but the only thing is you need to go to ATM to perform transaction whereas for Boost you can transfer anywhere.
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Still prefer BigPay unless Boost more efficient and no more bugs. My last withdrawal from Boost on 22nd, today only received
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post Dec 27 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(xperiaDROID @ Dec 27 2018, 11:40 AM)
Paywave isn't working because you need to perform a PIN transaction first to enable the Paywave feature when you get your new card.
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Might be one of the reasons but not necessarily true for all, I tried before at McD kiosk, failed but when I waive my credit card, passed. The card I used already used wave before

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post Jan 5 2019, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(#Victor @ Jan 4 2019, 06:07 PM)
U can't change that as it is their payment behavior. Just top up in advanced before ur departure. Btw, receiving SMS while roaming is free.
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QUOTE(Lingohal @ Jan 4 2019, 06:13 PM)
If data roaming, you have to pay. But for voice roaming, just to receive sms, it's free. Make sure you turn off mobile data and data roaming.
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Tried to top up BP few days ago while overseas, total 7 sms requested, all didn't receive despite having strong signal coverage. Changed network provider few times didn't work. Eventually received all sms after 2 hours. This can be super frustrating too.
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post Jan 6 2019, 12:49 AM

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Just sharing BigPay rate vs Mid Valley money changer for the following dates (RMB)

Date MC BP
30 Dec - 59.8 vs 60.342
31 Dec - 59.95 vs 60.342
01 Jan - 59.97 vs 60.517

Money Changer 0.7% - 0.9% cheaper for these dates/ transactions

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post Jan 6 2019, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Weezy @ Jan 6 2019, 12:58 AM)
if factor in opportunity cost during queue and parking, BP is much cheaper  icon_idea.gif
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I pass by Merchantrade money changer everyday during lunch time, and also they allow to pre-book currency, so parking and queuing time not an issue to me. I'm not complaining on the rate actually, even with this I'll still use BP.

But I hope to create some awareness, that all of us be alert and keep checking on their rates instead of assuming that they must be always competitive. This is BP biggest selling point IMO, I just hope they will maintain attractive rates.

They are few things we forgo too compared to credit card, ie higher reward for overseas spending, better protection etc.

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QUOTE(CloudComputer @ Jan 6 2019, 12:46 PM)
Money changer in MV is better in rates than BP most of the times during my comparisons, especially on CNY RMB, money changer has better rate for CNY RMB.

I think if you are not travelling to a super card friendly country, cash from money changer is still the better option.
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I'll assume credit card charge average 2.5%, I think as long as BP is within 1% on average (compare to both money changer and credit card), it's fair enough. Even money changer also has their margin/spread, unused money, when we change back, we also lose the spread, how much depending on the currency.

Hope BP maintain this as one of the key product feature for long term.
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QUOTE(de_ghost @ Jan 7 2019, 10:21 AM)
just to share my experience on oversea ATM withdrawal in Taiwan. Tried on a few bank ATM. so far these without bank charges
1. Taiwan Cooperative Bank
2. Taipei Fubon Bank
3. Cathay United Bank(Usually you will see it in Family Mart)

All the 3 bank maximum withdrawal is NTD 20k

Bank with charges:
1. China Trust Bank (CTBC) ( Usually these can see in 7-eleven)

rate is surprisingly good. I got around 100NTD = RM13.55
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13.55 is a very good rate, when you performed the withdrawal? Money changer no where near this rate
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QUOTE(monodevil @ Jan 7 2019, 01:49 PM)
Got my card yesterday. topup rm20 last wednesday thought
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Welcome aboard
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post Jan 8 2019, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(BigPayJonathan @ Jan 7 2019, 04:06 PM)
Hey guys! Long time no see. Happy new year to everyone.

I've been reading all messages but not taking the time to reply in public - just to DMs. Was away on a digital detox for 2 weeks and now I'm back for my retox. We've had some issues in December and we know it's not cool. I'll write a blog post about what happened exactly. Also, it's almost our 1st anniversary and we'll be sharing some pretty cool stuff that'll be happening in the upcoming weeks. Might not seem to you like a lot has moved but there's been a lot of work done backstage. If there's anything I missed or that you'd like to highlight to me, please do so by quoting this post!

Lowyat's feedback has been really pivotal in our growth and I'd like to thank y'all for that. Positive & negative comments are crucial, they keep us in check and allow us to always strive for better. The worst thing that could happen is us becoming complacent. But if you thought that 2018 was a good year for BigPay, wait until 2019! There are so many cool things that will set us apart from anyone else in the market...

With regards to customer support, we know it's something that's absolutely pivotal in our users' experience. We've been growing fast and recruiting good, smart & customer oriented support agents is not an easy task. But it's been and will remain one of our most important priorities. Please bear with us - or hit me up when you're really having a horrible problem.

By the way: if you know anyone who'd be interested in joining BigPay, hit me up - we've got a great company with a super cool culture.

Cheers!
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Still waiting for a better and more seamless solution to convert all your early adopters to the new wave card.
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QUOTE(digidigi @ Jan 8 2019, 09:12 AM)
positive or negative announcement for user?smile.gif
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I believe it's a major enhancement,to allow the conversion to the new wave feature. Not sure how many have actually changed to the new card. If majority has changed and left a smaller percentage still using the old card, probably BP will not waste much time on this.
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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Jan 8 2019, 10:38 AM)
How I wish BigPay could accept Amex CC for topup biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 8 2019, 10:42 AM)
Maybe that's the 2019 feature upgrade... wishful thinking
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QUOTE(de_ghost @ Jan 8 2019, 10:45 AM)
Hope that day will come also. i remember there was discussion back then for AMEX
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Then the limit will be 3k instead of 10k haha, or maybe there will be no withdrawal fee charges but instead credit card top up charges

QUOTE(tohff7 @ Jan 8 2019, 11:40 AM)
I foresee bigger wallet size coming in 2019, if BNM approves it.
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Unlikely though I too wish for bigger size
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Jan 8 2019, 04:19 PM)
for now i think many still uses credit card because of the benefits (cashback, points). but if ever those benefits reduced or certain transactions excluded, i think e-wallet will have a bright future. personally think e-wallet quite convenient to use, the cashier just scan my barcode and we're done.
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QUOTE(tohff7 @ Jan 8 2019, 04:43 PM)
Have to credit whoever (WeChat?) that first come up with the idea of using QR code for payment.

All smartphones have camera but not all have NFC
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Still prefer NFC, I'm not IT expert, but if there's a way where the app is deeply linked/integrated to the phone, and you don't have to open the app to make payment, that will be fantastic. Of course there will be questions of which app takes priority etc when merchant accept more than 1 e-wallet

I'm imagining we just touch the phone on the NFC device, and verify through on-screen fingerprint scan (with a pop up showing amount to be paid and to who). Voila, payment done. That will be seamless.

Also, I hate for some e-wallet, you can't see the amount before payment is confirmed, so if merchant key in wrong amount and scanned you, then will be troublesome.

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Jan 8 2019, 05:25 PM)
not all phone has NFC though. and yes u have a point, we can't see the amount before confirmation - for now we just got to make do with the amount on the cash register.
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Quite dangerous actually, as I teach my dad to use e-wallet too. Just afraid they charge wrong amount and he's not aware

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