Thimasthai, yes what you have written is correct about the Holy Spirit.

I remember the time being led, I didn't know where I was heading but my feet lead me right up to a specific bedside and a miracle happened. Out of all the different hospital buildings & out all of the various different floors & out of all the different beds. Oh I didn't know the name, the ward the bed or anything at all. All I knew was I had to get there that's all. Simply out of this world experience.

Surely if you or anyone else had experience this, will understand this out of the world experience. But those who don't will probably say I mad or something. It's ok, I've gotten worse comments than mad, so I am fine.

I don't know about other Christian denominations but growing up as a Roman Catholic, doing good works is a must. In fact, if my memory serves me right it's written in Scriptures too that we must out do each other in good works, right ?

So I dont understand the need to desensitized others of doing good works really. It's written in Scriptures God alone is good and it's true, anyone who does good works must come from God via the Holy Spirit.

Let's spin this another way round instead. Assuming our Lord Jesus Christ came and just taught about believing only without doing any good works whatsoever. Zip no signs no wonders no nothing but just words, how different things would have turned out to be and this poor soul would probably still be lost that's for sure。

Finally I really love your last line, we're not saved by good works but we're saved for good works. All for the glory of God. Sweet dreams.

••• Typing on a tiny phone seems to induce all kind of funny spellings or words into the text. Really weird. Have to edit the post again •••

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Nov 11 2018, 11:25 PM

We are not saying you shouldn't do good works, but the problem is in the church (evangelicals and RC alike) there are many people who thinks that because the give a tithe, prayed a prayer, take the sacraments, donate to the poor, but live an unbelief life from monday to saturday, they are under the delusion that they are saved.

A gospel that tells you you can do something to save yourself is a false gospel. That's the danger of a false gospel. It damns people to hell.

This is what Jesus taught in this parable:


This post has been edited by thomasthai: Nov 12 2018, 04:50 AM

heya~i'm been out of my fellowship very long, and i feel there's no need any fellowship for me,cause always i'm the one become invisible . my spiritual soul become more depended on myself(self centre), can help me solve this problem?

Hi there..you're welcome to join us.

For me Faith is mandatory and very critical component of the believer's life. One that you cannot do without and should not be preached against. Problem today is that works is propagated Far more than Faith and faith has taken a back seat to the point it has become unhealthy. You know why?

Because we have the perception that a lot of believers who don't walk the talk, people who are hypocritical. So what do you do when you see this to be a prevalent problem in church?

You tend to preach more on works/character change to the point faith is hardly talked on anymore. Even miracles of healing and providence are attacked today. I see this to be the work of the enemy. Satan wants the believers' faith to be stifled and works to take dominant and that is key for the enemy to prevail.

You'd probably wonder and would be surprised why I say works can be one of the best weaponry the enemy (Devil) can use against the believer. When you emphasize on works, the devil could easily and very effortlessly accuse you where you failed short.

But if you bank on Grace, the devil has no say. Why? because God is the one who justify us and if you learn to recognize Salvation is by Grace, the devil loses. The moment you put the Laws of God as a tenet, that is where the devil is empowered to attack you.

I'm 100% sure you would not understand this....well I could be wrong if you do understand.

Hi Unknown Warrior,

Yes what you written is true.

I've just instructed the stone mason to do up another bible for another tombstone with the verse John 3:16. Can anyone see what is the fulcrum in this verse ?

Hi miromiro,

You would like us to resolve what problem ?

sorry what? don't get you.

why tombstone......

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 14 2018, 08:21 AM

Thanks ! I had a dream last night that I was lost and I got no God words there to shine me though the ways

This post has been edited by miromiro: Nov 13 2018, 11:34 AM

Start reading your bible again.

ask God's Holy Spirit to speak to you.

Read the New testament of all the accounts of Jesus.

Ya , I use to serve in church but for my eyes condition I cannot serve anymore.i felt left out by church

Can I just give some spiritual advise?

Learn to 1st, receive from God first. Most importantly...receive his Love, then his Grace, his power, his providence, His everything.

Then once God completes you from inside, you can decide if you want to go further.

Be at rest that God loves you. Don't listen to the lies of the enemy telling you, you've lost it. You've never lost it.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 14 2018, 08:46 AM

Thanks I will pray about my spiritual grown and start reading bible then.

What will it be like when my pain is gone
And all the worries of this world just fade away?
What will it be like when You call my name
And that moment when I see You face to face?
I'm waiting my whole life to hear You say
Well done, well done
My good and faithful one
Welcome to the place where you belong
Well done, well done
My beloved child
You have run the race and now you're home
Welcome to the place where you belong
What will it be like when tears are washed away
And every broken thing will finally be made whole?
What will it be like when I come into Your glory
Standing in the presence of a love so beautiful?
I'm waiting my whole life for that day
I will live my life to hear You say
Well done, well done
My good and faithful one
Welcome to the place where you belong
Well done, well done
My beloved child
You have run the race and now you're home
Welcome to the place where you belong
What will it be like when I hear that sound?
All of heaven's angels crying out
Singing holy, holy, holy are You, Lord
Singing holy, holy, holy are You, Lord
Singing holy, holy, holy are You, Lord
Waiting my whole life for that day
Until then I'll live to hear You say
Well done, well done
My good and faithful one
Welcome to the place where you belong
Well done, well done
My beloved child
You have run the race and now you're home
Welcome to the place where you belong
Well done

[Verse 1]
How great the chasm that lay between us
How high the mountain I could not climb
In desperation, I turned to heaven
And spoke Your name into the night
Then through the darkness, Your loving-kindness
Tore through the shadows of my soul
The work is finished, the end is written
Jesus Christ, my living hope

[Verse 2]
Who could imagine so great a mercy?
What heart could fathom such boundless grace?
The God of ages stepped down from glory
To wear my sin and bear my shame
The cross has spoken, I am forgiven
The King of kings calls me His own
Beautiful Savior, I'm Yours forever
Jesus Christ, my living hope

[Chorus]
Hallelujah, praise the One who set me free
Hallelujah, death has lost its grip on me
You have broken every chain
There's salvation in Your name
Jesus Christ, my living hope
Hallelujah, praise the One who set me free
Hallelujah, death has lost its grip on me
You have broken every chain
There's salvation in Your name
Jesus Christ, my living hope

[Verse 3]
Then came the morning that sealed the promise
Your buried body began to breathe
Out of the silence, the Roaring Lion
Declared the grave has no claim on me
Then came the morning that sealed the promise
Your buried body began to breathe
Out of the silence, the Roaring Lion
Declared the grave has no claim on me
Jesus, Yours is the victory, whoa!

[Chorus]
Hallelujah, praise the One who set me free
Hallelujah, death has lost its grip on me
You have broken every chain
There's salvation in Your name
Jesus Christ, my living hope
Hallelujah, praise the One who set me free
Hallelujah, death has lost its grip on me
You have broken every chain
There's salvation in Your name
Jesus Christ, my living hope...

[Outro]
Jesus Christ, my living hope
Oh God, You are my living hope

Lyrics:
You speak, and waters crash upon the sand
The oceans push and pull at Your command
You hold the moon and stars within Your hands
And all with just a breath, the world began

God, there is nobody like You
God, there is nobody like You God,
And there will never be

When nothing we could do would be enough
From Heaven's highest place, You reached for us
My sin and shame forever overcome
The grave was overwhelmed by perfect love

Your Name is greater,
Than any name I know
Your Throne is higher,
Than any other throne
You are the Author,
The Creator of it all
You stand alone, You stand alone

Dear Bro and Sis in Christ...

Get soak in Worship Songs to God Almighty.

It's quite strange that many go by proverbial slogan of salvation(justification) by faith ALONE or sola fide.


Yet James says....even devils have faith!


17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Luther had a hard time with the above. For simple reason. He did not understand what a Jew meant by faith (AMAN)

Hebrew faith is not a mental discourse. Unfortunately, the Greek word for faith(pistis) does not describe the Hebrew understanding of faith.
For Greeks, its more of a mental ascension.


Here we see James describing the real Jewish understanding of faith.
Jewish faith contains both pistis and ergon works.

Faith demands works of obedience.


Therefore, we see the faith works in many of the examples in scriptures

eg Abraham, who was 100 years young performing sexual intercourse with Sarah to fulfil the promise that God gave him

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Therefore,

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only

https://bible.org/article/some-thoughts-lordship-salvation

It depends on how they define faith. Some is seems to define it as mere intellectual acknowledgement of Jesus as saviour WITHOUT repentance and regeneration

True faith 100% will produce good work. As Paul said Christian is reborn being created for good work