ah..you mean this is to answer whether today's Israel is still God's chosen?

The plan of salvation through the line of Abraham was revealed in the Abrahamic covenant. And the covenant is Unconditional.

Let's fast forward to the 40 years in desert, where we have Moses preparing the Israelites to go into the promised land. It is said that 70% of the bible is the story of Israel. Maybe theres something in the story of Israel God wants to show us.



Here we have God telling Moses to record a song and teach it the generations of Israelites so the song will be a witness to God of the idolatry and wickness of the fathers to the future Israelites, all before they even apostatised.

God knew they were going to apostatised even before they have done it, so why did God chose the Israelites for this plan of salvation? Did God think that they will perform better than the gentiles?

Of course not. He chose them because He has predetermined to set His love on them, no other reasons. This is Sovereign Election again.

Sure enough, Israel subsequently apostasised for hundreds of years. Then we have God giving indictment after indictment in the books of the prophets.

We cant go through all of them, but I just want to point out a few verses to show the plan of the new covenant.







Can you count the number of "I will"s in all those prophecies regarding the new saving covenants? God will cause future Israel to repent, when He sends His Spirit to regenerate them.
This is an expansion of the Abrahamic covenant and the basis of the new saving covenant even to the gentiles.

The doctrine of election throughout the bible is deafening! Calvin couldnt have invented that even if he wanted to.

The bible is so clear when we understand the covenants. I hope you have been blessed by this.

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Jul 17 2018, 09:02 AM

Thomas

Nice exegesis. Israel replacement theology is a heresy.

Here is another passage on God's chosing of Israel

the Church can never replace Israel....I thought the in-grafted branch scripture is quite clear on that....

Many evangelicals claim replacement of Israel by the church.

That is the reason they claim the specific promises to Israel as their own. That is very wrong theology.

That pretty much sums up everything.

Well God started off in Romans 11 with the context of "by no means!"

Romans 11:1-2
1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel:


That is in the new testament...I thought that should quench whatever argument.

Then there is from verse 17 to 21..key is in verse 18


17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

Oh well....

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 17 2018, 09:16 AM

Ironically, replacement theology is the teaching of most calvinistic churches

How Calvinism counter this verse?



Romans 11:18 (NIV) - do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 17 2018, 09:18 AM

Yes. I agree.

But for some people, Romans 9 to 11 do not exist. For them Romans is just a sin and justification epistle.

Martin Luther maybe one too

Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265)

well, that escalate quickly


on the other extreme side, we have Zionism Christian.

Well

It's true. Modern Christians may not associate with Replacement theology directly.
But in their claims and practices, its replacement theology thinking.

Zionism Christian is a new term to me.

well


I believe in only one convenant, the one written with blood of jesus. if one reject jesus then God will reject him. because jesus is only way to God.

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Jul 17 2018, 10:05 AM

Well.

Scriptures is more than about our salvation in Christ. There is also His-story and His future. That is just Christology.

Israel is God's fig tree. A tale tell of the signs of the times to come. God has put all these in His scriptures. Let's study it.

you mean there is salvation other than christ?

Read properly before you jump the gun.
Christology. Prophecy. ALL part of scriptures. What is scripture for?

I figure you talk about what left of Jews at end of time will believe in God and be saved



but currently at present time, I don't think it is happening, ie Jews all believe in jesus

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Jul 17 2018, 10:13 AM

lol

Well

There are Messianic Jews presently. So its happening.

However, at the end, national Israel will see Him as their Messiah

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.