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Jordy
post Sep 20 2019, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Sep 20 2019, 01:03 PM)
That is nice, equity investment is the source of wealth for many people. You learn about the Stock Market through self-learning or you attend course? smile.gif
Meanwhile I do agree on your point that most of the properties nowadays are over-priced for investment purposes.
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Through self-learning and also trial-and-error approach. Made huge mistakes to learn the proper way to invest. I do not believe in attending those investment courses.
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post Sep 20 2019, 01:53 PM

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my passive is currently RM4,xxx per month, plan to do mini retirement next year, moving oversea country to country every few months. But still worry if 4k passive wont be sufficient, actual target was to generate 10k passive per month
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QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Sep 20 2019, 11:35 AM)
Don't mention smile.gif
We are on this journey, encouraging and supporting each other.

Meanwhile, consistent cashflow of RM1,125 passive income is considered a very good and decent beginning for you, I reckon that is rental yield?

Surely you will achieve your RM20k passive income soon.
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It’s FD, ASNB combine EPF (lol)
I’m not sure if I’m calculating passive income right lol

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post Sep 20 2019, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 20 2019, 12:27 PM)
That's good.. but 20k a month hard
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Am dreaming hehe
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post Sep 20 2019, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Sep 20 2019, 02:18 PM)
It’s FD, ASNB combine EPF (lol)
I’m not sure if I’m calculating passive income right lol
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By definition, passive income would mean the cashflow generated by any of your investment vehicles. smile.gif
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(taiping... @ Sep 20 2019, 02:19 PM)
Am dreaming hehe
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Any dreams is possible if we have a plan to achieve it friend smile.gif
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post Sep 20 2019, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Sep 20 2019, 03:18 PM)
It’s FD, ASNB combine EPF (lol)
I’m not sure if I’m calculating passive income right lol
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dont count EPF bro..
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post Sep 20 2019, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Sep 20 2019, 02:39 PM)
dont count EPF bro..
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Then it's wayyyy lesser than RM1,150
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post Sep 20 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Sep 20 2019, 03:47 PM)
Then it's wayyyy lesser than RM1,150
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it's ok.. start working now to build it up.. have a plan and work towards it smile.gif
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post Sep 20 2019, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 20 2019, 01:01 PM)
Currently my passive income are only generated through equity investing. Tried and quitted P2P after a year of trial. Have not gone into Roboadvisory or any of the fintech stuff.
I also do not dabble in property investing because many of the properties are over-priced in my opinion. Unless I get a very good deal, I might not even step into property investing because most of it is negative cashflow investment.
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For property, my view is that if you believe property will continue to appreciate in value over the next 2-3 decades, the negative cashflow is not concern. The cash-on-cash return come exit is still very attractive to me, despite the monthly negative cashflow.

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post Sep 20 2019, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(kbandito @ Sep 20 2019, 05:04 PM)
For property, my view is that if you believe property will continue to appreciate in value over the next 2-3 decades, the negative cashflow is not concern. The cash-on-cash return come exit is still very attractive to me, despite the monthly negative cashflow.
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Exactly the point. Do I believe that the price of properties in matured areas would appreciate by 80% in the next 2-3 decades? Unlikely so at such unfavourable pricing right now.
We need the property market to cool down. I'm waiting for fire sale.
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post Sep 20 2019, 10:21 PM

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Bank lelong have plenty of fire sale / force sale
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post Sep 21 2019, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(BooYa @ Sep 20 2019, 11:21 PM)
Bank lelong have plenty of fire sale / force sale
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most of the time, there's a reason why that property is being lelong
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post Sep 21 2019, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(BooYa @ Sep 20 2019, 10:21 PM)
Bank lelong have plenty of fire sale / force sale
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Those so-called 'fire sale' are still expensive if compared to prices prior to 2012. Usually the price would be 10-20% lower than market price only, but over the years, prices have shot up tremendously, some up by ridiculously as much as 100%. So we can still wait for the market to "re-adjust" itself, then only we go into bank lelong.

QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Sep 21 2019, 12:19 AM)
most of the time, there's a reason why that property is being lelong
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Mostly due to foreclosure as many of the auction units are in the range of RM300k - RM500k range.
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post Sep 21 2019, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 21 2019, 12:27 PM)
Those so-called 'fire sale' are still expensive if compared to prices prior to 2012. Usually the price would be 10-20% lower than market price only, but over the years, prices have shot up tremendously, some up by ridiculously as much as 100%. So we can still wait for the market to "re-adjust" itself, then only we go into bank lelong.
Mostly due to foreclosure as many of the auction units are in the range of RM300k - RM500k range.
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also because alot of the units are in undesirable locations.. hence no one wants to buy it from them in the first place
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post Sep 21 2019, 07:49 PM

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Assuming that the unit trust returns is positive, do you consider unit trust dividend a form of passive income?
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post Sep 21 2019, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 21 2019, 11:27 AM)
Those so-called 'fire sale' are still expensive if compared to prices prior to 2012. Usually the price would be 10-20% lower than market price only, but over the years, prices have shot up tremendously, some up by ridiculously as much as 100%. So we can still wait for the market to "re-adjust" itself, then only we go into bank lelong.
Mostly due to foreclosure as many of the auction units are in the range of RM300k - RM500k range.
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I agree with your view as well.. too high price for "flip" but still ok if for own stay


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post Sep 21 2019, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 21 2019, 07:49 PM)
Assuming that the unit trust returns is positive, do you consider unit trust dividend a form of passive income?
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some UT funds has no dividend distribution policy
some UT funds has auto reinvest the distributed dividend
some UT funds can select either Auto reinvest or pay out cash
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if profits can be made constantly and if it need to take out the profits to use then it can be considered passive income
like ex...CMF constantly giving out about 3.X% pa...then that "profits" if taken out for use, can be as a form of passive income

if it does not required to be taken out, then it is asset accumulation stage...just let it grow while doing rebalancing of % allocation in the portfolio

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post Sep 21 2019, 10:44 PM

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i guess by the time you retire or achieve RE, asset accumulation is not a priority. So selling the UT dividends is to withdraw the $ for daily expenses i guess.

QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 21 2019, 10:30 PM)
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some UT funds has no dividend distribution policy
some UT funds has auto reinvest the distributed dividend
some UT funds can select either Auto reinvest or pay out cash
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if profits can be made constantly and if it need to take out the profits to use then it can be considered passive income
like ex...CMF constantly giving out about 3.X% pa...then that "profits" if taken out for use, can be as a form of passive income

if it does not required to be taken out, then it is asset accumulation stage...just let it grow while doing rebalancing of % allocation in the portfolio
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post Sep 28 2019, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 21 2019, 10:44 PM)
i guess by the time you retire or achieve RE, asset accumulation is not a priority. So selling the UT dividends is to withdraw the $ for daily expenses i guess.
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Dividends declared/distribution amount is usuall a very small percentage of the funds (somehwere in the range of 1.5% pa). So unless you have a very huge amount invested in unit trust, that distribution amount will not be able to cover your retirement expenses.

As an example, if you want a RM3k monthly retirement lifestyle, you will need to have RM2.4mil invested in unit trust that distributes an average of 1.5% pa.

Do take note that the distributions that were reinvested may or may not be charged a front load fee. If a fee is imposed on the reinvested distribution, then it will further erode your dividend returns.

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