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 This is how I would pursue women, if I were a man

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post Aug 5 2018, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 1 2018, 02:18 AM)
How men test women:

1) $$$ - greedy or not
2) xoxo - compatible or not
3) family - how she thinks of his family and buddies
4) hobbies - how she perceives his favourite activities
5) honesty & loyalty - will she go for the next guy if she meets a better one?


How did your boyfriend test whether you're greedy or not? Can you share some real examples of the things he did to test?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 1 2018, 12:33 AM)
I notice most guys feel frustrated when trying to get the girls they want. It's either the girls aren't interested/ rejected them right at the start, or suddenly ghost/ leave after a few months, or change to become worse/ demeaning and the relationship becomes toxic or end with betrayal/ sudden breakup.

I grew up having more male friends than female ones, but I'm not a tomboy or the brotherly type. Sometimes I have empathy/ sympathy for men, seeing them so frustrated and hurt, either during pursuit, or during the initial stage, or while in the relationship, or the breakup.

Actually what men want are simple, it's women that's complicated, as they have more wants and needs = more picky and demanding/ high expectations. I'm guilty of this as well, but I don't play guys' feelings or take advantage of them.

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I'm a woman, so obviously, I don't (need to) pursue men. wink.gif

I've gone out with 22 men, one-on-one lunch/ dinner dates via dating apps. Most of them are in their 30s (that's the range I set), and are professionals. Among them are engineers (mechanical, O&G), managers (software development, app designs, logistics, real estate, finance), business owners (car parts supplies, water filtration systems, logistics), a scientist in manufacturing technology, a strategy director and others.

Of course, I've chatted with even more men, about 100-200 in the past few years. When I first used Tinder, I got 99+ likes and 30+ pm's within 12 hours. (Side note: Now I know why I was popular. I asked my male buddy to show me his Tinder girls, we swiped left and right together, hmm... I was kinda disappointed? The photos and profile write-ups were kinda...unsatisfactory. Then I looked at how he chatted up with different girls. wink.gif )

So yeah, I'm quite seasoned. I don't sleep around & all my dates are serious/ proper ones (not looking for hookups). Now I don't use dating apps anymore, and funnily, I met my fiance via lowyat forum.  tongue.gif
First Date Matters

Men are actually more feeling-based/ visual ("I like the girl, I have feeling for her, so I chase her"). Men tend to fall in love hard and fast when the gut feeling/ instinct/ hormones gets triggered (by her looks, her smile, sexy photos, body shape etc).

Women aren't like that. They have a mental checklist when it comes to screening and selecting potential partners. Let's begin with the first date.

First impression is, of course, important. As long as you look decent and presentable, display good table manners and etiquette, you score points.

Women tend to be naturally guarded, so you'll need to make them feel at ease/ more relaxed, and show that you are caring, such as asking "Would you like some hot tea?" "Do you feel cold?" "How's the food? Is the soup hot enough?" Ask simple questions to just have a quick check on how she's feeling, and if she says she's fine/ it's okay, then say something like, "That's good. I'm glad you enjoy the soup/ you're feeling comfortable" and then smile at her.

Then the topics you talk about should be something interesting. Usually, men will need to lead the conversation first to break the awkward silence. It can be telling stories (about what happened at work, or a project you just completed etc), or talking about some fun activities that you'll be doing, or asking for her opinion about vacation ideas etc. It should be interactive, and ideally, men should listen more than they talk. When you can get a woman to open up and talk about what interests her, and make her smile and laugh, the date is then a successful one = you are making her feel good and happy.

After the lunch/ dinner ends, pay for the meal (you asked her out and you like her). Don't schedule the next date immediately. Just say it's kinda late, she should go home now and sleep early, get some beauty sleep after a good meal and chat with you.

If you like her, accompany her to pay the parking ticket, or to the car park if it's kinda late. Then when you're home, text her to say you're home and ask her if she has reached home safely too. Then thank her for her time to dine with you, and you enjoy it. Don't ever ask her how she thinks of the date, or how she thinks of you. It's still too early to judge, so please don't invite unnecessary preliminary evaluation.

Up till now, notice that on the first date itself, you'll need to:
1) pay attention to details
2) show that you are warm and caring
3) don't show your desperation (by asking her when's the next date or how she feels about you etc)
4) unguard her by 10%-20%

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As mentioned earlier, I've gone out with 20+ men. 90% of them paid for the first date. Some of them asked if I would consider a serious relationship with them, which I rejected outright. On the other hand, with some of them, I had a second and third date.

Why Women Reject Men

Many reasons, such as:

1) physical compatibility: height, body shape, body frame
2) bad impression: lack of punctuality, no table manners, poor body language (yawn, burp etc)
3) lack of common interests or common topics
4) lack maturity and depth, e.g. cold jokes or sarcastic remarks, which women don't find funny at all
5) don't feel safe or comfortable with him; he's too desperate for next date or for sex

and other reasons, of course.

The thing is, don't feel frustrated with women reject you outright. If it's something you can change to be better, you can impress her again in the next date, provided that she will give the 2nd chance and you still wanna pursue her.

& yes, back then when my bf-now-fiance pursued me, I rejected him straightaway, but he didn't give up. He didn't let my rejection diminish his value and self-worth, and he proved himself to me that he truly deserved me. I was really impressed with his high self-esteem and confidence. It took him a whole year to pursue me, and to get me give up dating other men. (Another tip: Women like to test men, level by level.)

A man who is very sure and confident of himself (in a good way, not delusional), despite the "disadvantages" he has, is very attractive and sexy to women. I call it the winning attitude/ mentality.

If you are at a disadvantage (no good looks, not rich etc), you need to demonstrate to her you are a man worthy of her in some other ways, such as you can make her laugh and be happy, you are caring and filial etc. Demonstrate your strengths despite the weaknesses you have, and don't feel inferior.

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Ok, shared a lot. I'm not sure how you guys pursue women; I'm just sharing some input so that you can refine your tactics, and hopefully, increase the chances of succeeding.  wink.gif
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Just wanna share my experience getting a gf. This was 3 years back.

1) I ask PERMISSION from a friend to check his friend list for hot looking chick in FB.

2) I identified 89 hot looking girls from his 4000+ list friends and I PM them one by one in FB.

3) Out of 89, only 20 replied. Out of 20, only managed to get 10 phone numbers. Out of 10, only 5 went out on dates with me. Out of 5, only 1 got to be my gf, got to bang, and all that sweet stuff. Did not last long, (maybe I was banging too much with her, sorry, Little Johnny too active) broke up after only 6 months.

4) After mourning for about 1 month, (cry2 la after breakup and the feeling of losing banging rights, huhu) PM'ed the 20 gals I befriended on FB, and ask PERMISSION from them to PM their mutual friends and all that FB jazz.

5) After another 88 hot looking girls pm'ed, this time only 10 replied. Out of 10, only 2 managed to get their numbers. Out of 2, only 1 become my gf. From the breakup, it only took me 10 months to get from befriending, to become a gf.

6) (Repentance & disclaimer) Although Little Johnny still so active, but I managed to control Little Johnny just enough to balance between sexual and emotional connection.

7) So, this is the timeline, BREAK UP - 6th May 2015. FOUND A NEW GF - 21st December 2016 - present.

8) For guys, I know the feeling of desperation for sex, gf, or to show off a trophy amongst your friends. I know this because I have been through that before.

9) But let me tell you guys, to treat a girl like a human, and show them your true colours. I am very fortunate that my gf understand my hyper-active Little Johnny and true character.

10) So, basically, BE PATIENT! BE BRAVE! and try sliding a DM or PM on social media. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

P/S : pm me if you want the exact text I "tabur" or spam PM to hundreds of different girls on FB.

This post has been edited by 1depp1: Aug 7 2018, 12:45 PM
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post Aug 7 2018, 01:20 PM

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U are basically playing a number game.

You want a trophy?
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post Aug 7 2018, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(WindofChaos @ Aug 7 2018, 02:16 PM)
What a woman meant (what written here) doesn't exactly mean what she wanted at least in a subconscious sense. Here's my take throughout my 5 year seduction journey.

You can maximise your sexual market values by using look, fame etc. But for me the most important characteristic trait is psychological trait aka dominance. If I didn't have this simple mindset, how could I possibly protect my woman/future offspring from danger.

The game is about increasing smv by avoiding 'just be yourself' (what a nice sentence...) behavioral traits are changing from time to time. Just because today you're a nerdy shy guy doesn't mean you're remaining the same within the next 2 years.

Manage your expectation as well. If you want:
a) fast lay: pick an average girl with self esteem issues.
b) marriage material: screen for less than 3 sexual partners, loyal, knows how to please her man legitimately, avoid feminised, drama prone woman.
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I agree bro. But you need to know the main thread here by TS here is titled :"THIS IS HOW I WOULD PURSUE WOMEN", thus I am sticking with how I would pursue women.

So, increasing smv is one of the elements of attracting a woman. My statement is purely based on my way of pursuing women. Which is my formula that works for me when pursuing a woman.
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QUOTE(WindofChaos @ Aug 7 2018, 03:49 PM)
Objectively looking at every woman. What they wanted varies from time to time. In the past, I would waste 6-7 dates on singular girl that led to no where.

You can follow a woman dating advice, but selectively doing so. Because most women I encountered say the things that wanted to protect their village (feminine agenda).
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Yeah.. that is why I always Google "how to connect with a girl emotionally". And then process the research with a neutral and human perspective, but with an Alpha male mind set. bruce.gif
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post Aug 18 2018, 09:28 PM

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Hi guys,
Wanna ask opinion, what does it usually implies, if girl "typo" in message when chatting with u, calling honey/sayang. And also sometimes calling herself with sweet word like that. Is it:

- have feeling towards u
- testing the water (or something like that la)
- she subconciously already fall for u
- purely typo (naahh)
- the message was intended for someone else.. lol
- others

Any opinion or past experience to share from u guys and girls, is appreciated.

Tq in advance!
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 1 2018, 12:33 AM)
I notice most guys feel frustrated when trying to get the girls they want. It's either the girls aren't interested/ rejected them right at the start, or suddenly ghost/ leave after a few months, or change to become worse/ demeaning and the relationship becomes toxic or end with betrayal/ sudden breakup.

I grew up having more male friends than female ones, but I'm not a tomboy or the brotherly type. Sometimes I have empathy/ sympathy for men, seeing them so frustrated and hurt, either during pursuit, or during the initial stage, or while in the relationship, or the breakup.

Actually what men want are simple, it's women that's complicated, as they have more wants and needs = more picky and demanding/ high expectations. I'm guilty of this as well, but I don't play guys' feelings or take advantage of them.

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Well, I'm guessing that's excellent advice. Still, I find it somewhat sad that the process has been distilled into essentially, what is a due diligence exercise. Either an acquisition or a merger between companies, but still the same.

There's the physical due diligence akin to the preliminary inspection visit to the acquisition site. Then followed by the financial due diligence, legal due diligence, tax due diligence etc. Then there's the sizing up of the respective strengths and weaknesses of the parties, the subtle bargaining process, followed by valuation and spreadsheets. And don't forget to calculate the prospective increase in Net Present Value should the exercise go through. sweat.gif

Don't get me wrong, I think approach probably would work much better than other methods. Probably what you said will be incorporated into an AI based dating app pretty soon, akin to one of the Black Mirror episodes.

Still, I'd prefer to think that a lot of things are based on karma, fate or whatever, since there are so many people, the candidates you meet won't even account of 0.0001% of the pool of prospective candidates. At least until a global dating AI app comes into play.

Wishing you the best of luck in business and life.

This post has been edited by agewisdom: Feb 19 2019, 09:21 AM
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post Feb 19 2019, 02:59 PM

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Ralna's advice and opinion is always on point! Relationship Queen. Why not next post is about girls to guys? Since this post is about guys to girls.
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QUOTE(Sea_Lavenders @ Feb 19 2019, 02:59 PM)
Ralna's advice and opinion is always on point! Relationship Queen. Why not next post is about girls to guys? Since this post is about guys to girls.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4621125&hl=
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post Feb 21 2019, 01:01 PM

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tulis panjang2 ber ela ela tapi women only seek for money like men seek for sex
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post Feb 21 2019, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(awekbanjir @ Feb 21 2019, 01:01 PM)
tulis panjang2 ber ela ela tapi women only seek for money like men seek for sex
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Not all women seek for money and not all men seek for sex.

But, almost all women seeks for security and men seeks for someone who they could rely on.

There's way too many stupid TS opening stupid threads saying that their other halves is materialistic because they ask the guy to consider buying a car or even a house. That is not really materialistic, they just wanted security. Would you let your daughter marry a broke ass man? Someone who have a lot of debt? Someone who needs to run from loan sharks? I bet you'd say no. You would like your daughter to have a partner that at least have a roof over their heads, be it a big roof or a small roof, at least some sort of roof will do. As for transportation wise, I can fly on my magic carpet anytime, but commoners like you, having a car is a necessity.

Most of the time, the key to courting the other half and escaping the 'forever alone'/'friendzone' cycle is simple. Just ask yourself infront of the mirror, "Would you date your own self?". If the answer is no, then why? Get into the point, improve the things that you are lacking.

If you're fat, go to the gym.
If your face got problem, go facial or clean your face better.
If you're poor, improve yourself, get a better job, get a 2nd job, don't be lazy - just work your ass off!
If you're stupid, no one is stupid, don't say that to yourself, just go and improve yourself by learning a new skill or language.
If you're not good in talking with girls/boys, go and talk with more people, you won't learn by watching YouTube videos or reading Self-Help Books, it can only guide you or give you some theory, but you will need real experience, just talk with more people IRL.
If you are smelly, freaking go and take a bath you disgusting filth!
But if you have disgusting mentality or keep giving excuses - saying that you can't, then no one can help you, may you Rub Your Own Genie for eternity.

I wonder how many girls Rub Your Genie with that mentality of yours.
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QUOTE(RubMyGenie_ @ Feb 21 2019, 02:18 PM)
Not all women seek for money and not all men seek for sex.

But, almost all women seeks for security and men seeks for someone who they could rely on.

There's way too many stupid TS opening stupid threads saying that their other halves is materialistic because they ask the guy to consider buying a car or even a house. That is not really materialistic, they just wanted security. Would you let your daughter marry a broke ass man? Someone who have a lot of debt? Someone who needs to run from loan sharks? I bet you'd say no. You would like your daughter to have a partner that at least have a roof over their heads, be it a big roof or a small roof, at least some sort of roof will do. As for transportation wise, I can fly on my magic carpet anytime, but commoners like you, having a car is a necessity.

Most of the time, the key to courting the other half and escaping the 'forever alone'/'friendzone' cycle is simple. Just ask yourself infront of the mirror, "Would you date your own self?". If the answer is no, then why? Get into the point, improve the things that you are lacking.

If you're fat, go to the gym.
If your face got problem, go facial or clean your face better.
If you're poor, improve yourself, get a better job, get a 2nd job, don't be lazy - just work your ass off!
If you're stupid, no one is stupid, don't say that to yourself, just go and improve yourself by learning a new skill or language.
If you're not good in talking with girls/boys, go and talk with more people, you won't learn by watching YouTube videos or reading Self-Help Books, it can only guide you or give you some theory, but you will need real experience, just talk with more people IRL.
If you are smelly, freaking go and take a bath you disgusting filth!
But if you have disgusting mentality or keep giving excuses - saying that you can't, then no one can help you, may you Rub Your Own Genie for eternity.

I wonder how many girls Rub Your Genie with that mentality of yours.
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you can rub my genie
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QUOTE(awekbanjir @ Feb 21 2019, 01:01 PM)
tulis panjang2 ber ela ela tapi women only seek for money like men seek for sex
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So tell us, exactly why are YOU so hard up on money?
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QUOTE(RubMyGenie_ @ Feb 21 2019, 02:18 PM)
Not all women seek for money and not all men seek for sex.

But, almost all women seeks for security and men seeks for someone who they could rely on.

There's way too many stupid TS opening stupid threads saying that their other halves is materialistic because they ask the guy to consider buying a car or even a house. That is not really materialistic, they just wanted security. Would you let your daughter marry a broke ass man? Someone who have a lot of debt? Someone who needs to run from loan sharks? I bet you'd say no. You would like your daughter to have a partner that at least have a roof over their heads, be it a big roof or a small roof, at least some sort of roof will do. As for transportation wise, I can fly on my magic carpet anytime, but commoners like you, having a car is a necessity.

Most of the time, the key to courting the other half and escaping the 'forever alone'/'friendzone' cycle is simple. Just ask yourself infront of the mirror, "Would you date your own self?". If the answer is no, then why? Get into the point, improve the things that you are lacking.

If you're fat, go to the gym.
If your face got problem, go facial or clean your face better.
If you're poor, improve yourself, get a better job, get a 2nd job, don't be lazy - just work your ass off!
If you're stupid, no one is stupid, don't say that to yourself, just go and improve yourself by learning a new skill or language.
If you're not good in talking with girls/boys, go and talk with more people, you won't learn by watching YouTube videos or reading Self-Help Books, it can only guide you or give you some theory, but you will need real experience, just talk with more people IRL.
If you are smelly, freaking go and take a bath you disgusting filth!
But if you have disgusting mentality or keep giving excuses - saying that you can't, then no one can help you, may you Rub Your Own Genie for eternity.

I wonder how many girls Rub Your Genie with that mentality of yours.
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Couldn't agree more with RubMyGenie. Everything sure has it's own give and take. If you want something you have to work it out else just life goes on.

This post has been edited by IdiotGuY88: Feb 21 2019, 05:42 PM
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Can't help but feel sorry for men who did all these and still end up with a miserable marriage (which is like majority). sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Sea_Lavenders @ Feb 19 2019, 02:59 PM)
Ralna's advice and opinion is always on point! Relationship Queen. Why not next post is about girls to guys? Since this post is about guys to girls.
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Thanks for your compliment! biggrin.gif

What are the topics you'd like to read? I'm still thinking of what to write next... I'm open to suggestion.
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post Feb 23 2019, 02:13 PM

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congrats to TS to get what she wanted in life.

Some observations:

1) one should take into consideration the community he/she is in as well. A marriage goes better with the support of the community, family, friends. You receive their blessings and help.

2) using TS analogy of 'testing' candidate via 1v1 scenario lacks context. While it works, either party will quickly feel about the rules of the game, and will likely to approach it with a lot of covering, make-up, stories. Just not your true self. A relationship with too much covering here and there will not last.

3) The whole idea about 'getting' him/her comes with one's subjective criteria of what fits to be the partner of life. This again sounds like a merit-based contest, i.e., i am rich, so i win the game, or, I know the table manner, so I'm at an advantage.

While there's still value to extract in this thread, I humbly propose another alternative.

1) At whatever stage in your life, be sincere about yourself.
2) Work will very much define who you are, so does the opportunity arises from it. Your community will also be very much defined in such a context.
3) When opportunity arises, with solid network of community, approach your desired potential partner, but remember you are only a friend to him/her at this stage.
4) The common traits like sacrificing for the loved one, love and trust, patience and hardwork, diligence and attention will all show up in your test of loving someone. Love is a verb, and action. Whether you like it or not, it will show up as either love or a farce.

All the best.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Feb 23 2019, 01:28 AM)
Thanks for your compliment!  biggrin.gif

What are the topics you'd like to read? I'm still thinking of what to write next... I'm open to suggestion.
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Thanks for the thread..learn something out of that discussion in page 1 and 2..

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