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 This is how I would pursue women, if I were a man

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post Jul 9 2018, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(lightworks @ Jul 9 2018, 08:21 PM)
It was hurt, and he is not that good looking or rich, but an ordinary man
Worst part is from friend become nobody; reality.
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That is, It’s a stupid guy thing I think (choosing to ignore). Though it also happened to a guy. Completely ignored by the person thereafter because maybe both party didn’t want to hurt or be hurt (depending on the situation)

I know recently a chap, liked a girl but for circumstances is not able to continuously pursuing her (she gave her reasons). He ended up having to go cold turkey (shunning) as he felt disappointed but even if he is happy for her. (I guess “Letting go” to safeguard his own emotions).

There was another chap friend of mine too, both shun each other after courtship didn’t quite as smooth, BUT he eventually found his life partner. He probably wouldn’t have met & married his lovely wife, if he gotten that earlier girl. Hard to say.

If you are young, Maybe in time you’ll say you dodge the bullet, he may turn out to be a looser in life, gambler, womaniser, or whatever not you imagined, or otherwise...☹️
So what. Of course it hurts.

Heartbreaking, ❤️broken always do. I don’t like it, i don’t think anyone likes it, it was maybe planned by god or the mischief of the cupid angel. Talking helps, sharing help which is why this CC section continues to be updated off & on



What’s important is a life lesson. I say this because I’m a lot older than majority here. I’m not saying I’m wiser but time has help form some aspects/experiences in life that can’t be learned if one didn’t go thru.

The original TS post did say stay on and fight shd she be worth the fight. Very often in our own heart we say yes, it worth the fight. Choose your battles of courtship.

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post Jul 10 2018, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Jul 9 2018, 01:34 AM)
declined to hangout at low class mamak, she got tell you reason? Let me bet.. is amoi right? I got similar experience. That amoi told me all her friends all no hangout in mamak one. LOL  doh.gif
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post Jul 10 2018, 04:35 AM

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Spot on. thumbsup.gif

Based on your points, let me further clarify:

1) Compatibility is important, be it family background, social status, financial standing, academic qualifications etc. If a woman is of high value and high status, and she dates a man of lower value and status, this is what will happen:

- He will feel inferior and insecure. His wife is tall, pretty, accomplished and attractive to many men. "Why would she choose to be with him? Will she leave him for other better men one day? What if he's just plain and ordinary for the rest of his life, will she still love him?" These thoughts will torment him and make him paranoid. When a man feels paranoid, he gets suspicious easily → becomes controlling (fear of losing her) → the relationship becomes toxic and suffocating → domestic abuse?
- A woman can't love a man whom she has no respect for. If he's inferior to her in everything, then she has to develop & push him to perform? What is she then, his teacher/ mentor? The power dynamics in the relationship becomes reversed.
- There will be plenty of disagreement, such as how to raise the children up, or educate them, or how to manage finances and who will be in control.
- It will be difficult to click. She can't understand his world, neither can he enter her world. Both of them have separate social circles and topics of interest.

FYI, women have much stricter criteria when it comes to dating for marriage. Men usually think of marriage after being in the relationship for some time. Women are different. Most women date because they want to get married and have children.


2) True. I've met several rich men in their 30s who tried hard to impress me with their wealth and business. I'm not exactly sure whether it's because they use this as tactic to attract women, or whether it's because they feel insecure around me that they need to use their wealth to boost their esteem (?), or maybe they just wanna be honest with me?

If I am the materialistic type, I'll be like drool.gif, but I'm not. Wealth and biz are important, but I find it kinda insulting and distasteful if all you can do to impress me is with your wealth, but not with your personality, charisma, strengths, life experience etc. If you want women with substance, then you gotta be one with it too.

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post Jul 10 2018, 04:52 AM

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i afraid when i reading this. because higher expectation from women, but the man also need to answer to other parties, like their bos, parents and adding gf on top of the scale
will makes it more difficult than it is. shoulder responsibility? how come only one sided?
women also need to shoulder responsibility when recruiting partners..

how bout women buy lunch for starter... not many have done it. they say, to satisfy a men, is thru their belly.

this talk is about dating but what we call ppl who going out everyday? acting?


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post Jul 13 2018, 04:38 PM

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All being said, getting in a relationship is not the only way to live life. Some people suffer because they think this is the only way to live according to social norms. It's not. To fellow men, you can actually go your own way without getting attached to someone. Not everyone is suited to have a couple life. There are people who perform the best in life as single.

Single does not mean lonely. Lonely is when you're surrounded by incompatible people or people who do you more harm than good.


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post Jul 14 2018, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Jul 13 2018, 05:38 PM)
All being said, getting in a relationship is not the only way to live life. Some people suffer because they think this is the only way to live according to social norms. It's not. To fellow men, you can actually go your own way without getting attached to someone. Not everyone is suited to have a couple life. There are people who perform the best in life as single.

Single does not mean lonely. Lonely is when you're surrounded by incompatible people or people who do you more harm than good.
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The sanest reply 👍🏻 and thank you for the honesty.

Some like the roller coaster of companionship. The highs & lows. I’ve been there. I missed that. My life companion was tragically taken away in an accident.

And yes, it somewhat new to me being alone. But your message serves a timely reminder that perhaps some of us shd not rush into relationships (though I think it’s ok to be in courtships as it’s part of the perks of life)

Getting into relationships, even if it hurts when they split, is like falling, you get up again and go at it again.

If you cocoon wrap yourself, and never experience relationships or couple (not referring to anyone) then maybe it’s a loss. I don’t know. I might be guilty too, some adviced me to take my time

To each their own on choices

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post Jul 16 2018, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 2 2018, 11:02 AM)

I have personally witness a guy, I would rate him high, nice guy, awesome temper (or lack of), caring., loyal, nice looking (might be biased was my best buddy), a specialist doctor (now). He liked this girl in college, but they were both too shy to initiate... so then another loud mouth, crude lady comes along, she was aggressive and finally got the guy... they are married now.. its his first relationship.
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LOL! sounded so like me......loud mouth! lol
The most quiet and most shy guy in class seemed to be in my brain all the time during college time!.... i will probably die waiting if i play hard to get.....so i chased him lor....ops...and he is also not romantic, but so am i haha!...turned out to be the best decision i made too. Turned out he likes me wayyyyyy before I had my eyes set on him...ceh!! Sometimes i think girls should just do the chasing la, if wanna wait for the guys, u only get to choose so much tongue.gif

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post Jul 16 2018, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 12:12 PM)
Yeah, being aggressive can make a woman get the guy she wants (if he reciprocates), but then she will emasculate him and play the domineering role = becomes possessive, easily jealous, and perhaps, controlling.

Emasculate = "deprive a man of his male role or identity"; "make someone or something weaker or less effective".

If you like a woman who's like that, then accept her pursuit.

Real life is different from manga/anime/ drama, as in, cute girls confessing to guys, and then this and that... in the end they are happily together ever after.

As for your case, I have a similar story. My aunt pursued my uncle when they were both single, coz my uncle was tall, handsome, good-tempered and gentleman type. You know what happened after their marriage? She yells at him a lot (from upstairs), calls him by his full name, and says things like, "If it's not because of me, you'll still be poor/ useless" etc, and scolds him. They have been married for decades, but the marriage is long broken, and affects the children (my cousins) a lot.

Now that's real life.

Girl pursuing guy is not something wrong, but please be careful as to why she takes this approach and not let you do the chase. Is it because you are too passive yourself, or she has ulterior motives, or she does this to other guys as well, or what? Don't instantly feel happy and think, "Yeah, finally some girl is interested in me and chase me!"

Yeah, you can say it's gender equality or her personality type is like that, but whatever it is, do know that if something or someone behaves out of the norm, it's either skewed to the extreme left (bad) or to the extreme right (good) of the spectrum. Most of the time, it's too good to be true. If it is genuinely good and true, then it can withstand any tests.
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hmm.gif sweat.gif I think maybe u think too much....

pursuing someone u like is just pursing someone you like icon_rolleyes.gif whistling.gif it is simple, naive and kinda romantic if u think about it LOL!
btw, we r almost 20yrs together, with 2 kids, and are each other's bestfriends....we even go clubbing and play network games together....lotsa funtimes together..

the shouting part.....many aunties they like to shout one la....my neighbour aunty can shout from morning to night nonstop...
sometimes its just pure relationship badluck smile.gif doesnt just affect women after men only kind of rship....it can happen to all and the main cause is MENOPAUSE lol....joking....anyway it happens laa

And recently hubby says if i go 1st, he will go become a monk rclxub.gif see meaning I am still his only dream girl rite? lol.....okies dont tell me the truth ok i dont want to know tongue.gif anyway i am saying....guys if a girl confess to u and u like her....dun get scared la...no meaning one la....it just mean she really really really likes u ok! if its hard for u to chase a girl, it is even harder for us to chase u.....esp its quite abnormal it seems hmm.gif

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post Jul 17 2018, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jul 16 2018, 04:54 PM)
hmm.gif  sweat.gif I think maybe u think too much....

pursuing someone u like is just pursing someone you like  icon_rolleyes.gif  whistling.gif it is simple, naive and kinda romantic if u think about it LOL!
btw, we r almost 20yrs together, with 2 kids, and are each other's bestfriends....we even go clubbing and play network games together....lotsa funtimes together..

the shouting part.....many aunties they like to shout one la....my neighbour aunty can shout from morning to night nonstop...
sometimes its just pure relationship badluck smile.gif doesnt just affect women after men only kind of rship....it can happen to all and the main cause is MENOPAUSE lol....joking....anyway it happens laa

And recently hubby says if i go 1st, he will go become a monk  rclxub.gif see meaning I am still his only dream girl rite? lol.....okies dont tell me the truth ok i dont want to know tongue.gif anyway i am saying....guys if a girl confess to u and u like her....dun get scared la...no meaning one la....it just mean she really really really likes u ok! if its hard for u to chase a girl, it is even harder for us to chase u.....esp its quite abnormal it seems  hmm.gif
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most guys here finds girls confession (making the first move) is far & rare. While the girls do acknowledge (spill their like/love) only after the guy does first (thus cementing themselves as an item)


"relationships" are different to many. what i think the 'courtship' part that feels tiresome to many guys at CC (simple complaints like they find most girls place materials/security over genuineness, etcetera, etcetera) and guys perhaps part of their ego are hurt when they feel their best (effort) isn't good enough.

Some girls know their own worth. I think TS places hers with her criteria (sticking to it) while some girls and guys may not.

I think there is no hard & fast rules what really works and other don't. TS (Ralna) post does give some courages notes to some guys to not admit defeat sometimes even if the first/initial attempt is shunned/turned down.





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post Jul 17 2018, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jul 16 2018, 03:54 PM)
hmm.gif  sweat.gif I think maybe u think too much....

pursuing someone u like is just pursing someone you like  icon_rolleyes.gif  whistling.gif it is simple, naive and kinda romantic if u think about it LOL!
btw, we r almost 20yrs together, with 2 kids, and are each other's bestfriends....we even go clubbing and play network games together....lotsa funtimes together..

the shouting part.....many aunties they like to shout one la....my neighbour aunty can shout from morning to night nonstop...
sometimes its just pure relationship badluck smile.gif doesnt just affect women after men only kind of rship....it can happen to all and the main cause is MENOPAUSE lol....joking....anyway it happens laa

And recently hubby says if i go 1st, he will go become a monk  rclxub.gif see meaning I am still his only dream girl rite? lol.....okies dont tell me the truth ok i dont want to know tongue.gif anyway i am saying....guys if a girl confess to u and u like her....dun get scared la...no meaning one la....it just mean she really really really likes u ok! if its hard for u to chase a girl, it is even harder for us to chase u.....esp its quite abnormal it seems  hmm.gif
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u chased after your husband last time?
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jul 17 2018, 01:24 PM)
u chased after your husband last time?
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yeahh....because i wasnt confident he will open his mouth if i leave it up to him coz he is a very quiet, shy and lcly guy bruce.gif dry.gif doh.gif I guess i already know who i wan so who cares who initiate it 1st rite....

i do have tonnes of guys going after me also geh....but not the one i like ma icon_rolleyes.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jul 17 2018, 03:35 PM)
yeahh....because i wasnt confident he will open his mouth if i leave it up to him coz he is a very quiet, shy and lcly guy  bruce.gif  dry.gif  doh.gif  I guess i already know who i wan so who cares who initiate it 1st rite....

i do have tonnes of guys going after me also geh....but not the ones i like ma  icon_rolleyes.gif  sweat.gif
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good to hear that

as raina implied, have u ever bullied your husband? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jul 17 2018, 03:39 PM)
good to hear that

as raina implied, have u ever bullied your husband? biggrin.gif
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LOL! honestly...my hubby is not someone who i can bully.....
he is a VERY seRIous and have kind of a temper......if i raise my voice...his voice is even louder than mine, i will end up squirming away like a worm smile.gif

anyway me n him are totally opposite people.....while i am loud, i am not when i am with him. Vice versa for him....while he is quiet and shy outside....he is not when he is with me, and he is actually a very funny and talkative person with me.....and very romantic in a quiet way......stuffs like making sure i walk at the inside of a road, he knows what i wanna say, wanna do even be4 i say it like he can read my mind totally and do it for me be4 i even say it out loud......so nothing much to raise my voice on...

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jul 17 2018, 03:51 PM)
LOL! honestly...my hubby is not someone who i can bully.....
he is a VERY seRIous and have kind of a temper......if i raise my voice...his voice is even louder than mine, i will end up squirming away like a worm smile.gif

anyway me n him are totally opposite people.....while i am loud, i am not when i am with him. Vice versa for him....while he is quiet and shy outside....he is not when he is with me, and he is actually a very funny and talkative person with me.....and very romantic in a quiet way......stuffs like making sure i walk at the inside of a road, he knows what i wanna say, wanna do even be4 i say it like he can read my mind totally and do it for me be4 i even say it out loud......so nothing much to raise my voice on...
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Good to see from an alternative view points. Yes not all relationships is the stereotypical guy chase lady type.

It's best you go for what feel best for you like regardless of societal gender conditioning. As for whether the relationships will work out or not, is much more of daily effort in area such as appreciation, respect and understanding.

Relationships and partnership is a marathon, while initial attraction and pursued is the starting sprint.
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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jul 17 2018, 03:35 PM)
yeahh....because i wasnt confident he will open his mouth if i leave it up to him coz he is a very quiet, shy and lcly guy  bruce.gif  dry.gif  doh.gif  I guess i already know who i wan so who cares who initiate it 1st rite....

i do have tonnes of guys going after me also geh....but not the one i like ma  icon_rolleyes.gif  sweat.gif
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You are an extrovert while he is an introvert.

I think in cases like this, it's okay for extrovert women to pursue introvert men... as long as it doesn't scare them away. tongue.gif
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Need good opinion from ts and experts here, which one suits better for the sentence upon asking,
"Would you be my *girlfriend/life partner/sweetheart/ <insert others> ?
Situation, let say currently just a quite close friend, trying to get more serious. Which would be the best bet, the one with highest chance not being rejected? Lol
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QUOTE(monara @ Jul 20 2018, 12:41 PM)
Need good opinion from ts and experts here, which one suits better for the sentence upon asking,
"Would you be my *girlfriend/life partner/sweetheart/ <insert others> ?
Situation, let say currently just a quite close friend, trying to get more serious. Which would be the best bet, the one with highest chance not being rejected? Lol
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I would say Diane, we have known each other for about say 1-years and during this time, I really enjoyed my time with you.

I have come to know you as an intelligent, kind and funny person and I really like you and would like to be more than what we currently are and would like to know if you also feel the same way that I do.

This way gives you more room to safe face if Diane does not feel the same way.

But that's just my opinion

PS - you can add beautiful to intelligent, kind or funny but some women want to be appreciated for their inner qualities and some outside.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 18 2018, 04:28 PM)
You are an extrovert while he is an introvert.

I think in cases like this, it's okay for extrovert women to pursue introvert men... as long as it doesn't scare them away.  tongue.gif
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Lol!! Pursue in a silent way...must have tactic geh...when I said loud, I don't really mean loud lol tongue.gif
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Tldr..love is a game..just dont fall for it..
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QUOTE(WindofChaos @ Jul 20 2018, 01:09 PM)
how long u know her?
i told ya, it's BEST don't seek approval like this, find out how strong her attraction towards you (ie does she find u often, touch u often, get close to you etc)

if you got rejected, hailat i tell u friendship dies
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Well, its less than 1 year actually. Hmm. u might find its quite weird, but we were rarely met in person.. only by messaging 😅

QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 20 2018, 04:14 PM)
I would say Diane, we have known each other for about say 1-years and during this time,  I really enjoyed my time with you.

I have come to know you as an intelligent, kind and funny person and I really like you and would like to be more than what we currently are and would like to know if you also feel the same way that I do.

This way gives you more room to safe face if Diane does not feel the same way. 

But that's just my opinion

PS - you can add beautiful to  intelligent, kind or funny but some women want to be appreciated for their inner qualities and some outside.
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message noted. But is that more suitable in face to face approach, or also in text/phone call

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