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 This is how I would pursue women, if I were a man

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post Jul 1 2018, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(ferd0123 @ Jul 1 2018, 12:45 AM)
Did woman always seek materialistic man? Any set of money benchmark that woman used to set when deciding to marry with? I assume you are the top league of woman that man always chase so will be glad to hear your opinion..
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Try figure why TS picked 30 and above.
Try figure what would hv changed significantly after 30’s.

I’m damm sure it’s not maturity. It’s more like his b*llshit starts to walk if u know what I mean.


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post Jul 2 2018, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Overlord118 @ Jul 1 2018, 02:35 PM)
How to know if im being played by a girl who play-play only or something like that?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 1 2018, 12:33 AM)

& yes, back then when my bf-now-fiance pursued me, I rejected him straightaway, but he didn't give up. He didn't let my rejection diminish his value and self-worth, and he proved himself to me that he truly deserved me. I was really impressed with his high self-esteem and confidence. It took him a whole year to pursue me, and to get me give up dating other men. (Another tip: Women like to test men, level by level.)

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 09:51 AM)
First, you can easily judge her interest in you by looking at the speed of her reply to your text, and the content. A girl who likes you won't take a few hours, or a whole day or a few days to reply your text, and when she replies you, it's usually not 1-2 lines only. In other words, a girl who is serious will give you her time and attention.

Men often text in short sentences (one or two words, or one or two lines), so they don't notice that women actually have different texting behaviour. Short texts from women are actually not okay, coz women are naturally more talkative.

2nd, you know a girl plays-plays when she doesn't initiate or give her input. She lets you do everything by yourself, and the effort become one-sided. Then when you ask her, she usually says "Dunno" or "Okay" (no opinion or preference), and then when she goes on dates with you, she doesn't smile or talk much.

3rd, she doesn't appreciate what you do. Maybe you have spent a few days thinking what gift to buy for her, and when she receives and opens it, she doesn't like it, and she complains. Girls like this are difficult to please, and if you are not "useful" to them, they can easily dump you to go for the next.

If a girl really likes you, even though the gift is not that satisfactory, she will still appreciate your effort and money spent to prepare it.

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Of course, a girl who play-plays tend to give excuses or lie, so if you ever catch her doing that, you should blacklist her. & when a girl is very inconsistent (keep changing her minds or change her plans) that it affects your dates/ relationship with her, you should watch out.
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These are some red flags that are easy to spot and more common. Sometimes, guys are so in love that they refuse to see... until they get hurt.
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He pursued u and u rejected him outright; You probably did all the above.
If ur now fiancee had taken your advice; will he still be your fiancee? The answer is obvious.

You say you rejected him. I can't imagine how un-reciprocated creepy text for 365 days allows your relationship to progress to this stage.
That leaves two possibilities. 1) You never rejected him to begin with. 2) The narcissistic him, just don't give a damm about what you think or said.

My interpretation of what happened then was, he topped the chart in the pool of the guys your were dating. He knows he topped the chart. You "rejection" isn't rejection. It was more like provocation for him step up his game. My take is, you already approved him wayyy before that 1 year. The pursue is more like spending honey moon together and enjoys the "chase".

Else, please do elaborate on what he had done that changed your mind and how did that happened. What did he do exactly during THAT defining invitation that your normally says "NO" to a "YES" that qualifies him to be in the chase. That will be useful.

TLDR
1) Top the chart of the pool of the guys the target is dating.
2) Be a narcissistic prick that do not accept a woman's no means no.
3) Guys, you gotta know how to tell if you are in "the chase".

P.S. I know. TS, It's not easy to admit that he is hot and you have fell head over heel over him. The story "rejecting" him is more like a futile effort to redeem ur...


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post Jul 2 2018, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 2 2018, 12:28 PM)
This is exactly my though when I was reading the articles. So sometime it's depending on whether you like to be the hunter or the hunted.

I find TS article to be relevant to chase the "typical" women archetype. But end of the day, it depends on who you are and what you feel more comfortable with.
Which is true, I find aggressive women that does the pursuit of what they want will emasculate the men over the course of the relationships and cause the men ego to be bruised and act passive aggressively over time.

On the flipside, women like these are also very interesting. If the dynamic of the relationship is good and you as a men held your ground and have a good grip of your own principle. You could have your best bro, best friend and partner all lump into one. It's like being in a relationship with your best bro with less the hassle and complexity of a women. Sometime women think too much.
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That exactly what they want. And that exactly who he is.

There is one type of man that can be emasculated. The alpha-wannabe.
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post Jul 2 2018, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 04:57 PM)
I think you interpret rejection as "bye forever; can't even be friends at all."

Reject = "dismiss as inadequate, unacceptable, or faulty"

Rejecting a man and rejecting his pursuit are two different matters.

If a woman rejects a man, she doesn't wanna even keep in touch with him. She finds him irritating, annoying and won't wanna hear from him again.

If a woman rejects a man's pursuit, it means she doesn't wanna start a relationship. Maybe it's because she's not ready, or she still have doubts about him, or it's too fast. However, it doesn't mean she wanna shut him out.

Look, if you have been friends with a girl for some time, you two can chat and hang out together, she likes you and you like her (as friends), and then you find yourself having feelings for her, and start pursuing her, and she says no.

Does it mean she hates you? No right?

She just doesn't want you to pursue her. It doesn't mean she will cut off the relationship. As long as she doesn't cut off the relationship, and you still have feelings for her, you can still find other ways to pursue her. Maybe she won't accept you now (need to find out why), but it doesn't mean a (future) relationship with her is doomed and hopeless.

In my case, he and I were friends at first, then he fell for me and pursued me. [B]I said no. He asked why. I told him the reasons. He didn't give up. He addressed my concerns one by one, and found ways to work things out. That's why it took a whole year to pursue me, coz I needed the time to think and accept. [/B]

My relationship is very challenging, coz it involves LDR, different religion and other factors. Just LDR alone is already a challenge by itself. Then different religion? Yeah, strong opposition from family and relatives.

I could have easily given up and shut him out, but I didn't. & it's not like I didn't have other admirers; I had.

The reason I'm with him is because he accepts me for who I really am and be a better person. I feel happy, loved and cherished. The positive influence he has on me, in the end, made my family finally accept him, that's why we can proceed to the next stage.
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So, did u approve or disapprove his pursue on you?
And if you disapprove it, why did he continue? How would someone did something you disapprove eventually gets your approval.

Because, you neither reject him as a person, nor his pursuit. You admitted that. You all you just said, it's A problem. A list of problems.
That's not the same as disapproving his pursuit. You refuse to come off easy is not the same as rejecting his pursuit. I totally get that.

To large extend, you actually wanted him to find ways to get around it which would define your worth. You would be disappointed if he didn't wouldn't you. laugh.gif

Alright, don't bother to respond to that. It's obvious and pointless continue.
There is nothing useful discussing there.

What you obviously demonstrated here is, a woman's no doesn't always mean no. It's a conditional no. Perhaps, temporary.
What would be useful is how to identify a woman's no is a conditional no. Don't bother with unconditional NO. That would be "gave up and shut off".

What I believe is the problem is men confused between the conditional no and a real no means no. And in that process, he wasted his resources unnecessarily.
This is resonates what Drian said. And when dudes in Drian's example comes here, the bottom line is he failed in meeting the conditions of the conditional no.

You did set a list of condition for him. You admitted he met them one of after another. And in that process, you are checking those condition is the list one after another. Probably, with very inflated ego. How is that defined as "rejected his pursuit"? That's more like accepting and validating his pursuit. Don't answer. It's OK.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 04:57 PM)
You call this topping of the chart or playing games? I don't think so. Which women don't want a simple and easy relationship? I think men too; most men won't wanna get involved with complicated girls.
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Topping the chart in my context is being top 1% in YOUR 100 person dating pool. Not playing games.
And that's not true. Scandals of different degree proved that.

And trust me, it's alot easier if guys did a quick assessment the target's dating pool and where does he actually stands.
Personally, I would have saved alot of embarrassment if I have been better at that. One of my few most memorable lesson ends with, "Nice try!" i totally came off an idiot laugh.gif. If just I know that my "business" card isn't as impressive as those business cards from her dating pool. Its still pretty impressive to me. It would be a pretty fun story to tell. laugh.gif

First impression matters, totally agree with that.
Because that would be the inception of a person's bias. Once the biased is formed, it's not easy to debunk or correct.
But if used correctly, it could be very useful to form a stronger favourable bias.






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post Jul 3 2018, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 10:56 PM)
I agree with the part you said women have 2 types of no: conditional & non-conditional no.

& as I wrote earlier, women "have a mental checklist when it comes to screening and selecting potential partners".

At first glance, when we look at our suitors, we mentally screen them. You can say it's like HR screening potential candidates for the job. If you see this as inflated ego, well, that's the way it has been. You can complain it's unfair, it shouldn't be there, where's equality, this is discrimination etc etc, but denial and complaint can't change the inbuilt mechanism that women have in them.

In my case, I set my own mental checklist, and found that he didn't fit some criteria, so I said no to him. It's like HR saying, "Your application is rejected", but if you reapply for the job, submit the required documents, find ways to impress the hiring manager, you might get hired.

If you apply the same concept to relationships, HR is the woman, applicant is the man, and the job is the role of bf/ future husband.

& as I wrote earlier, women setting criteria/conditions isn't a bad thing, coz individuals have unique preferences. It's only when the criteria get too extreme and unrealistic, then it becomes a problem. You can choose not to pursue such women and leave them alone.

Btw, don't men set criteria as well? Men are more lenient when it comes to dating, but they are more selective when deciding who they wanna settle down with. A man can date as many women as he wants, but when it comes to future spouse, I'm sure he has his own set of criteria which the woman will need to pass so that he can get down on his knee and propose to her.
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I'm just gonna summarize this with one word: STANDARD

Before anyone can set a standard for anyone else to meet, he/herself must be of a person of certain standard.
There is no way for anyone to expect Snapchat CEO to come pursue you if you aren't Miranda Kerr.

What useful here. Embrace the profound truth that, "Begger can't choose. If you wanna choose. Don't be a begger".

QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 10:56 PM)
The difference is that, women have the screening process much earlier than men do. It may be biologically inbuilt, or culturally influenced, but this is how it is.

I'm not sure if guys know this or do this, but we girls share the criteria we look for in males among ourselves since young. We play dolls (papa and mama and baby doll), gossip about boys, fantasise about how our future bf/husband will be like, and really look forward to becoming a beautiful bride, with our best friends as bridesmaids and have a lovely wedding and family.

Yeah, you can laugh it off or whatever, but most girls grow up believing in fairy tales and happily ever after. That's why we role play, watch love dramas, imagine we are princesses (and we like them so much!). It's only when reality kicks it do women get crushed and the hope dies off.

That's why men feel some women are like the princess type. We grow up believing we are one, our father pampers us like that, our brothers and close male friends protect us that way. Of course, not all women are this type. Just generally speaking, esp. if the girl comes from well-being family/ middle and upper class. Eh wait, even those from poor background also believe in Cinderella story.  wink.gif

From young, we are told be careful, to not easily give our heart away, to protect ourselves at all times etc; that's why women are naturally more guarded than men. & hence, the mental checklist is there.

If you try to understand women using the male brain (logical and analytical), then you can never understand them well. When you can't understand them well, it affects your pursuits a lot. That's why it's so frustrating.

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1) Are you trying to rationalize BAD BEHAVIOUR with childhood fantasy?

2) In your Cinderalla story, everyone loves Cinderella. She is hopeful. She is grateful. She appreciates everything and everyone around her. She goes through hardship without complain. The problem is not the society has increasing numbers of Cinderella, but Cinderella's STEP SISTER. Ungrateful. Lazy. Entitled.

The right social conditioning should incline towards conditioning women into Cinderella. Cinderella has lot more to offer than a pussy. But step sister literally have only pussies. Hopefully, u get where is my disagreement with your statement, "who you are determines what you deserves". The society do not glorify virtues of Cinderella and her sacrifices. It's more like glorifying the step-sister bad behavior. Try pay attention to this when u r in ladies nite out.

It's always what you do. That's empowering because everyone single one of us has a choice to choose what to do.

QUOTE(WindofChaos @ Jul 3 2018, 12:04 AM)
Lol. women are SO easy to understand.
It's often times the woman stir up the drama by raising her voice and talk about the past & future problems.
I don't care if she digs past problems so much or not,
i'll give her a few minutes to rant about it, if she still talk about it after that, i'll walk out of the door and seeing other girls.

it's that simple, i'm too busy dealing with women's bullshit (often times caused by insecurities & social conditioning)
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There are many other bullshit to deal with. It's u hv affinity to deal with other bullshit.

Personally, I deal with bullshit that pays. The reason is there no other tools more powerful than money. There is no other better definition of success other than the ability to make money.
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post Jul 3 2018, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 3 2018, 12:04 PM)
Yes, always assessed where you are in the pecking order, if the women eventually came back to you or respond affectionately to you after a period of "side lining" you, it is likely after a period she found that no one better came along and she re-valued her self worth and match them against her pool of suitors again OR she re-valued you and placed you higher in the pecking order due to disappointment from others or she discover new information about you that is favourable.
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Any man of value would understand the concept of appreciating value and diminishing value.
No man of value trades something of appreciating value with diminishing value. In any successful partnership, both partners offers leverage.

What i'm trying to say is, "Sorry, the boat has left". She might be still in my standard if you maintains/improve on whatever leverage she has.

QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 3 2018, 12:04 PM)
In the end, pursuing women boils down to how you market yourself to match their points system. On first impression, you will be assign a rank, whether it is favourable, neutral or rejected. If the women has a lot of pursuer or highly sought after, then those from the rejected can straight away give up while those with favourable and neutral may continue to put in effort to be in the running for the prize.

From there you can improve your rank and if you are not the first, and she has not selected the candidate yet, you can outlast the competition by always be on your A game. Alternatively, if you think she is not worth the effort, you can screw it don't participate in the chase.

So if you are pursuing women like TS, unless you totally blow her scale, be prepare to sacrifice some of your ego and realized you are still not the best and keep at it until you beat the competition. This is how they separate the winner from the average. Test after test. You must have some worth to dish out these test tho  cool2.gif .

If Ralna is all that she say she is, I would say TS fiancée is consider a fighter/alpha, they will get what they want, be it the highly sought after women or that lucrative business project that everyone is aiming. A winning candidate.
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He blew her scale. But we don't know what her scale is. But he blew her scale.
U know, the 99th person in her scale might did everything the the number 1 in her scale. But, she will never talk about it.

I always ask my female acquintances...when Z did this and you despises it. But if A, did it...you say, Awww... how sweet. Why so unfair one?
They hate me for pointing that out.

You may disagree. What I'm trying to say is, if you are top 10 in the list, maybe you can outlast the other 9. But if you come from the bottom 10, it's more like no matter what you do, you will never be mentioned.

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post Aug 7 2018, 01:20 PM

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U are basically playing a number game.

You want a trophy?

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