QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 04:57 PM)
I think you interpret rejection as "bye forever; can't even be friends at all."
Reject = "dismiss as inadequate, unacceptable, or faulty"
Rejecting a man and rejecting his pursuit are two different matters.
If a woman rejects a man, she doesn't wanna even keep in touch with him. She finds him irritating, annoying and won't wanna hear from him again.
If a
woman rejects a man's pursuit, it means she doesn't wanna start a relationship. Maybe it's because she's not ready, or she still have doubts about him, or it's too fast. However, it doesn't mean she wanna shut him out.
Look, if you have been friends with a girl for some time, you two can chat and hang out together, she likes you and you like her (as friends), and then you find yourself having feelings for her, and start pursuing her, and she says no.
Does it mean she hates you? No right?
She just doesn't want you to pursue her. It doesn't mean she will cut off the relationship. As long as she doesn't cut off the relationship, and you still have feelings for her, you can still find other ways to pursue her. Maybe she won't accept you now (need to find out why), but it doesn't mean a (future) relationship with her is doomed and hopeless.
In my case, he and I were friends at first, then he fell for me and pursued me. [B]I said no. He asked why. I told him the reasons. He didn't give up. He addressed my concerns one by one, and found ways to work things out. That's why it took a whole year to pursue me, coz I needed the time to think and accept. [/B]
My relationship is very challenging, coz it involves LDR, different religion and other factors. Just LDR alone is already a challenge by itself. Then different religion? Yeah, strong opposition from family and relatives.
I could have easily given up and shut him out, but I didn't. & it's not like I didn't have other admirers; I had.
The reason I'm with him is because he accepts me for who I really am and be a better person. I feel happy, loved and cherished. The positive influence he has on me, in the end, made my family finally accept him, that's why we can proceed to the next stage.
So, did u approve or disapprove his pursue on you?
And if you disapprove it, why did he continue? How would someone did something you disapprove eventually gets your approval.
Because, you neither reject him as a person, nor his pursuit. You admitted that. You all you just said, it's A problem. A list of problems.
That's not the same as disapproving his pursuit. You refuse to come off easy is not the same as rejecting his pursuit. I totally get that.
To large extend, you actually wanted him to find ways to get around it which would define your worth. You would be disappointed if he didn't wouldn't you.
Alright, don't bother to respond to that. It's obvious and pointless continue.
There is nothing useful discussing there.
What you obviously demonstrated here is, a woman's no doesn't always mean no. It's a conditional no. Perhaps, temporary.
What would be useful is how to identify a woman's no is a conditional no. Don't bother with unconditional NO. That would be "gave up and shut off".
What I believe is the problem is men confused between the conditional no and a real no means no. And in that process, he wasted his resources unnecessarily.
This is resonates what Drian said. And when dudes in Drian's example comes here, the bottom line is he failed in meeting the conditions of the conditional no.
You did set a list of condition for him. You admitted he met them one of after another. And in that process, you are checking those condition is the list one after another. Probably, with very inflated ego. How is that defined as "rejected his pursuit"? That's more like accepting and validating his pursuit. Don't answer. It's OK.
QUOTE(Ralna @ Jul 2 2018, 04:57 PM)
You call this topping of the chart or playing games? I don't think so. Which women don't want a simple and easy relationship? I think men too; most men won't wanna get involved with complicated girls.
Topping the chart in my context is being top 1% in YOUR 100 person dating pool. Not playing games.
And that's not true. Scandals of different degree proved that.
And trust me, it's alot easier if guys did a quick assessment the target's dating pool and where does he actually stands.
Personally, I would have saved alot of embarrassment if I have been better at that. One of my few most memorable lesson ends with, "Nice try!" i totally came off an idiot

. If just I know that my "business" card isn't as impressive as those business cards from her dating pool. Its still pretty impressive to me. It would be a pretty fun story to tell.
First impression matters, totally agree with that.
Because that would be the inception of a person's bias. Once the biased is formed, it's not easy to debunk or correct.
But if used correctly, it could be very useful to form a stronger favourable bias.