The problem with HDMI splitter is , the weaker signal transfer because it is splitting the data caused by the limitation of bandwidth .

This limitation will restrict the video output to 4k 30fps for each device connected to the splitter , primarily because the HDMI port (which the splitter is connecting to) is still fixed at 18Gbps / 2250mb and it is dividing that bandwidth into 3 ways or more.

Although , most console games are only running at 4k 30 fps these days . But anything more than that may cause HDMI handshake or other problems.

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The Sony x70f seems ideal for you .

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 9 2018, 10:40 PM

Nothing's wrong with NU7100 . Except the MU6100 from last year is still a much better TV , features wise.

Why do most people still end up buying the TV models listed above ? Because many of them are still buying a TV for living room which is usually bright , where all the benefits of getting a VA TV have essentially disappeared. Most of the TV you mentioned are of IPS except the Sharp model .


The fine folks at rtings are doing what they can to provide the public with numbers and they are buying their own TVs , unlike some reviewers where they get cherry picked unit from the brand itself . But numbers alone don't show the whole picture , they often ignore ( or late to report ) the contemporary issues of the TV.

Use their numbers as references , but not as an absolute rule which TV to buy.


As a SDR TV , all 3 of them are considered adequate .
By now everyone is probably more than sick of reading pro and cons of IPS / VA based TV , so I will leave those behind.


But HDR is the hot topic in town now , we certainly can't ignore that if you have the budget to spare . Especially when all 3 of them claimed to be HDR TVs.


The Samsung NU8000 is an unusually bright TV for a mid-range model . It can overcome glares caused by the environmental light source and still display the pictures in its most natural form. Although it utilizes an edge-lit based local dimming , it can still provide a more convincing HDR effect than the other 2 TV largely thanks to its high peak brightness , which translate into higher dynamic range and is what HDR is all about. Great price , good performance ( for this price range ) , great input latency , large amount of features , it is simply the best out of the 3 .


The LG UK7500 too have an edge-lit local dimming . However the dimming performance is so terrible that it causes more damage to the picture rather than enhancing it . The LG magic remote and smart TV OS are very responsive and more intuitive to use compare to the other two .


The X8500F might be a good SDR TV but it simply can't do HDR . It has steady brightness output but due to the absence of of proper dimming system , it can't produce an accurate impression of HDR . It also has a poor black uniformity just like all the other IPS TVs . Other than that , it remains a good pick if you are mainly into watching low quality streaming shows and fast action movies due to the excellent picture processing from Sony TVs.


Or you can spend a little more for an Android TV such as the X7500F.

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 9 2018, 10:36 PM

Assuming that you don't need the Android TV OS , the UK7500 does offers a few more features and upgrades over the Sony basic XF75.


For starters , the UK7500 is better than last year's UJ7500 since LG has also stopped using RGBW in their mid-range TV , so it is a full fledged RGB panel now .

The UK7500 is considered as LG 's mid range TV and has more HDR related features such as Local Dimming & Nano Cell ( which is LG 's term of supporting a Wider Color Gamut ) .



To sum it up , if you don't watch HDR content at all just buy whichever that is cheaper .

If you plan to watch some HDR related content from Youtube , Netflix , Amazon Prime & Vudu , the UK7500 will server you better.
If you are a big sports fan and buying the TV mostly to watch sport stuff , the Sony TVs are usually better because of their excellent motion processing .
For everything else , the UK7500 is more appropriate for the task.

Despite of what LG says , RGBW 's goal is to save production budgets .

LG is fully aware that the RGBW panel has harmed their brands and reputation more than goods , you would expect them to after getting into a big fight with Samsung. So this year they have stopped using RGBW in their mid range TVs.
Only the UK6100 and UK6300 are using RGBW panel this year , everything else are full RGB now .


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And of course , don't take any of them too seriously . As usual , there are a lot of exaggerated bullcrap in both of them.



This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 19 2018, 08:48 PM

There is a lot of misconception there .

All of them are RGB TV , with the exception of LG 's UK6100 & UK6300 .


The Panasonic TV doesn't has 6 different color subpixels , and it certainly does not reproduce colors using 6 different subpixels.
The " Hexa Chroma Drive " is actually what Panasonic calls their CMS ( Color Management System ) , which allows TV users to finetune the colors reproduction to more accurate extends .

If you don't calibrate your TV , it is nothing more than a marketing term for you , because you will be using their out of box settings.


Like I said before , a side by side comparison in the display shop is potentially pointless , because you need to make sure every TV in comparison are calibrated to the same settings .
It is possible the specific unit you are comparing are in its more accurate display mode , compare to the rest .

There is also the factor of Panel Variance , because these LCD TV are the general product of mass production. Unless they are sending you the exact same TV they showed you in the shop , what you saw from the shop may not be what you will be watching in your home . Even among the same model , one may be slightly brighter than another , slightly better screen uniformity , slightly more accurate colors etc etc ... you get my point.


I don't think Panasonic did anything special for their VIERA series . They do finetune their OLED TVs before shipping out , because they are selling those exquisite premium babies at a much higher price .
It is unlikely they are going to calibrate their entry level 4K TVs , at least not to the same degree as they do with their OLEDS which has garnered many praises for being uber color-accurate.

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 21 2018, 07:39 PM

XF70 = I doubt that is the case since this is a 2018 Sony entry level 4k TV . It may be possible at some point the app itself will stop running on a specific OS version but this can happen to all TVs eventually . However the model you're talking about are of the 2018 TVs , it is unlikely they have gone unsupported within a year.

XF75 = More or less the same as XF70 but you are paying more for the Android OS , 5Ghz WIFI support.

LG UK6300 = LG 's cheapest 4K TV which utilize the RGBW panel .

UK6500 = LG 's mid range TV , its a bit better for watching HDR than UK6300 .

NU7100 : Samsung's most basic 4K TV in 2018 . Again , I don't think the claims are very credible because this is Samsung's 2018 model , so the " having issue after a few years " can't be true since we are still in 2018.

NU7400 : Like NU7100 , but with more features such as cable management , WIFI 5Ghz supports , blue tooth , etc etc . Also supports a Wider Color Gamut which means the HDR performance is a little bit better.


There are a lot of discussion and ranting about TV durability in general . Most people only complain about their TV when it broke down , people who have never encounter any problems are usually quiet.
Therefore , the number of complaint about a specific TV brand is usually not a direct indication of the TV durability and manufacturing quality control.

For eg , a lot more people QQ about Samsung TV . That is only because Samsung sold the most TVs ( not in the premium market ) . Someone bought a Samsung TV today and it went haywire tomorrow, obviously he is going to make a scene in the forum . Then we have the other guy who bought the same model and have lasted 7 years without problem but never say a word .

My verdict is simple , If I got a defected unit from one of these major brands , I will look at how efficient and how quickly they can hold up to their promise , to replace or to repair the TV . As long as they are willing to fulfill their promise , they are a good brand. It is unreasonable to expect every TV unit to last 10 years because one guy said his TV did .




If you don't need the wide viewing angles , go for the Samsung . If you want to get a TV to watch with a group of friends and family , get the IPS from Sony or LG . If you prefer more apps selection , get the Sony Android OS TV but keep in mind not everyone like the counter intuitive and sluggish UI .


One is IPS and the other one is VA .


The Sharp is better for HDR and watching movies in a dim / dark room.
The Sony is better for watching sports and fast action movies in a decently lit , large room.

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 30 2018, 05:53 AM

I have been trying to tell you how silly your assessment is but yes , you can be ignorant.


All of these basic 4k TVs pretty much share the same limited color coverage .
The fact that you blatantly declare the Panasonic look far more colorful and superior , especially the specific model you are talking about doesn't even support WCG to begin with .


People do listen to your recommendation when your logic is strong , but in this case it just crumbles like sand.


You can keep lying to yourself, specs don't matter . And if these numbers don't matter , people wouldn't spend thousand of dollars on calibrating tools to to set up their displays . Hollywood studios don't need to spend millions of dollars mastering their movies for commercial release.



Is it possible the TV you have seen has slightly more accurate colors ? Sure . And question , how do you tell which TV has more accurate colors without any tools ? Do you just pick which TV look the most natural to your eyes ? Most people are exposed to the overly blueish white for decades from their monitors and phone , how do you tell if the colors are accurate from untrained eyes ?

Does that means all the same units from that specific Panasonic lineup are going to look exactly the same ? No , because these are the products of mass production , Panel Variance do exist regardless of how excellent the QC are.

Are the other TV models you are comparing with , properly calibrated to the same setting ? Probably not .

If so , is the comparison fair enough for other TV brands and models ? Definitely no


It is getting silly when you try to force the brand to everyone.

By now I am sick of repeating my points . If you are serious about comparing TV , at the very least get some test patterns and some proper HDR demo to your USB drive for testing .
Comparing SDR content between these entry level TVs are almost meaningless.

Most of the big brands basic UHD TVs look very identical to each others . If you like how the colors look on your current Panasonic model , you can probably do some light calibration on the other TV to look very close for SDR.
For HDR its different story though.


I get it , you've got an amazing new TV and I look forward to you sharing your experiences with us . But all I've heard from you so far is how superior your TV is while trashing on the other brands at the same time , it is rather disappointing .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 4 2018, 12:05 PM

XF75 is basically a XF70 with an Android OS.

It's a colorful TV but you probably should get a Sony x8500f if you are sensitive to motion element particularly like ghost trails and such .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 20 2018, 05:37 PM

You can't , TCL doesn' t sell the same TV outside of USA ( for obvious reason )


They aren't perfect either , these TCL TVs tend to have terrible uniformity issues ( a sign of Poor Quality Control ) and show minor artifacts if you look at the screen closely.
It just isn't worth the price and risk of importing it . TVs are sensitive equipment , you don't want to open the box and find a cracked screen.


If you MUST import a TV , get X9000F from China , which is far superior than anything found in this price range. 55 inches can be bought for about RM3-4K and is one of the better LED LCD TV around.
Again , not recommended to do so . Out of 5 TVs I have imported , 3 of them have cracked screens

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 20 2018, 06:05 PM

A dozen of users who know close to nothing about TV technology ?
But constantly complaining about new tech and bitter about users buy more expensive and premium TVs ?


It is well known these Sharp TVs has less than satisfactory motion performance. Do yourself a favor , at least read some reviews from the Chinese audience .
And well done brand ambassador. In fact I have a lot more to say about Sharp TVs , if only you guys are a little more humble about it . I have not even begin talking about the subpixels problem.


If you want to promote your TV , feel free to do it in your own thread . You can spread wrong info and all sort of other things , not that you haven't already , which I have received pm from people asking from time to times. But this is a thread for people who want to get an honest opinion on TV , you want to preach about your brand along it is fine . You have your own thread to do so .

Just don't do it in our thread, tyvm.


FYI , I am not saying the TV motion sucks out of nowhere , I have actually tested a 6800x several months ago , but have you actually tested yours ?
Then let me ask you this , how (what) is the input latency of your current Sharp TV ?

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 20 2018, 07:23 PM

I am not telling them what to buy , I am offering them a recommendation. I don't benefit from them at all , in fact one of the brand PR (not Sharp) wasn't too happy about me bashing their TV openly .

I just don't understand why are you so bitter about the other brands you have to trash talk about them in your own thread .
Every time someone give a different opinion , you become desperate and criticize them cynically . How many times have you called these " TV GURUS " out in your thread ? So much that someone else has to message me about it.

Can't you just accept the fact there is no perfect TV and there are different needs for everyone ?

I have recently started to work for several projects for TV brands in China but I have never claim that I am "good", nobody is ever good enough in the industry that claims to have a breakthrough in every fortnite.


Back to the topic , the guy asked for a TV for sports . The Sharp model 6800x just happen to have a fairly limited 60 hz refresh rate & doesn't support any motion interpolation features . The x8500f is much better in regard , what's wrong with that ? Shouldn't take a genius to figure all these out to begin with .


I have had enough dramas with the brand cultist these days , this will be my last reply on the issue . I am sorry if others have to witness the drama , my intention has always been to focus on TV displays , and just them alone .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 20 2018, 07:53 PM

A little "insights" for what makes a great motion handling TV.


In general 99% of the current movies are filmed and mastered in 24p . Majority of the current entry level TV are based on 60hz refresh rate and when they try to adapt to the 24p movie playbacks , they will be struggling primarily because 60 is not divisible by 24 perfectly (120 on the other hand , is ) . Therefore you will notice what we called " Judders " . As I have mentioned before , some people are just numb and insensitive to motion , so for them anything that has a screen to watch is probably just fine .

Attempting to rectify the problems , a majority of the TV brands come with motion enhancing features , like Motion interpolation (de judders & de blurs ) , auto motion plus ( On Samsung's TV ) and Black frame Insertion (BFI) . They are techniques which the TV used to "anticipate" the next frame and create a clone frame in between (or insert a black screen for the case of BFI ) , artificially increasing the frame rate of the TV to smoothen out the issues . Normally this can cause Soup Opera Effects , which may cause movies to look fake and unpleasant . Again I should stress that , not everyone dislike the effects but as part of the AV community , the director's intent is always our priority so it should be turned off by default .


But for video games , some fast action scenes and sports , these will make the fast pace action and moving objects looks more fluid .


Sony TVs are known for their excellent motion processing capabilities . Even among their entry levels 60hz TV ( like xf75 and xf70 ) . They can handle judders the best among the 60hz TV .
The X8500F is an excellent mid range SDR TV in MY that has 120hz native refresh rate and utilizing Sony's X1 extreme chips and proprietary dual database processing technology. Which is why they also generate the least motion artifacts among all the current TV brands .


The TV makers have evolved in the past years , even on a 60rr TV most 24p movies are surprisingly watchable . If watching 24p movies on 60hz is fine for you , chance is you will notice a better result on a TV with 120 hz refresh rate.

All of these are concrete numbers and facts . If someone else is trying to tell you otherwise , its downright lying . It is like saying sugar taste more salty than Salts .
They are not even up for debate because they are not opinions .

If you are serious about comparing them , make sure you get some clips ( Tennis matches , car racing , soccers are excellent ) , watch how smooth the balls are moving between the an XF85 ( remember to turn on the motion features ) and the forementioned 60hz TV .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 21 2018, 09:03 PM

They are of the same MediaTek MT5891 chip , same CPU ARM Cortex-A53 , same cores and same ram found in their upper range OLEDs and X9000F.

I have no idea why Sony has decided name them differently , to charge more for their premium models perhaps ?

The 40 % better upscaling is bullshit as well because they basically use the same upscaling algorithm with the same chipset .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 26 2018, 11:41 AM

Unfortunately no , I have not been able to get into Sharp TV's service menu .

Yes but that doesn't mean it is a bad TV , it simply means no TV is perfect for every situation.

For monitor I would recommend you to get an IPS TV . If you sit closer to the screen ( which we do for the monitors ) , the edge of the screen will appear washed out on a VA screen because it has very narrow viewing angles .


If you are sensitive to the motion element of the pictures , Sony is usually the go-to brand .

XF70 should do very well for you with IPS panel & low input game lag .
The last XF70 I measured peaked at 450 nits ~ , which is quite a bit brighter than other competing models in the same price range such as NU7100 , NU7400 , UK6100 etc etc.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 28 2018, 11:45 AM

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This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 5 2019, 04:33 AM

For many 4k TVs with mediocre brightness rating , they don't nearly have the specs to showcase the dynamic range of HDR content in its full glory .
Therefore when it comes to HDR content mastered at very high nits ( brightness ) , they have to choose to either retain the highlight details or blown out the details to sustain the brightness . This process is called tone mapping .

At this time , there are no standard which define which tone mapping method is right . For the TV makers , Sony's TV tend to go for the brightness while LG is leaning towards keeping the details .


Samsung's TV by nature , will always choose to retain details at the cost of losing brightness of the overall APL .
LG's TV used to be similar but back in 2017 , LG has introduced a different approach to HDR 10 called Dynamic tone mapping ( Active HDR ) which purpose is to adjust the HDR meta data frame by frame .
This can partially restore brightness to the HDR picture , while keeping details intact . Samsung TV on the other hand , doesn't do any dynamic tone mapping .

This might explain why GTS looks brighter on the LG TVs when the specs of both TV are more or less on the same level .


P/S : Samsung's entry level 4K TVs (namely NU7400 , NU7100 , NU7300 , MU6100 , MU6300 etc etc ) have a feature called" UHD Dimming " , which is an algorithm based dimming function that tries to darken the overall picture to improve the contrast . Sadly this come with the cost of dimming down the small and bright highlights. You will want to use every trick from the book to notice a difference from SDR on these TVs , I recommend setting "Contrast Enhancer " to high .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 5 2019, 03:34 PM

It is not that simple .
Because even within the same lineup , there are different models such as X7096F , X7003F , X7000F etc. Different people are telling different stories , perhaps they are not wrong , I suspect they may have purchased a different warehouse version .

The catalog I received from Sony a long while ago did list the all the models from XF70 are IPS .
Since then I have received PM from owners who had told me ( and proved ) I was wrong .

Sony itself is reluctant in discussing the VA / IPS enquiry as well .
To be safe , You should probably confirm with the Shop merchant first .


It is only going to get more confusing next year as Sony is ready to implement the " X-WIDE ANGLE " in many of their 2019 TV , which has tendency to cause VA TVs to lose black levels in addition of better viewing angles .



This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 5 2019, 07:23 AM

Not just UK6300 , poor black levels is a sign of poor contrast ratio . It is the drawback of all IPS screens , you are trading contrast for wider viewing angles .


This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 5 2019, 04:34 AM

Samsung nu7100 and nu7400 are confirmed to be VA panels . Same goes for Hisense TVs .

If you are looking for HDR TV , NU8000 are also VA TVs , 55" around 3-4k , 65" around 5-6k

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 5 2019, 09:26 AM

They are the same , 50 inches or below are all IPS . The conflicted reports of VA / IPS panels only happen on 55 inches and above .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 7 2019, 06:31 AM