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post May 19 2019, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ May 19 2019, 01:11 AM)
Check what is ur nu8000 version at the moment. There is new update released on april and got updated automatically.
Some features been disabled..example.self diagnosis..
Also the update is disabled so can't select it.
Does that mean no more update after this ?

Previously i able to see both option enabled and you can simply click that update option anytime..
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According to Samsung

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If a menu setting is grayed out, this does not indicate that something is wrong with your TV. It’s because certain conditions for those settings are not being met. For example, if your TV is not connected to the internet, the settings for Software Update or Contact Support will be grayed out, since these require an active internet connection. It is aways a good idea to keep your firmware up to date. See below for some examples of settings or conditions that will disable additional settings.


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Disabled Settings

    If Picture Mode is grayed out, HDR + is enabled.

    If Auto Program is grayed out, there is no coaxial cable connected to the TV.

    If Game Mode is grayed out, there is no Game Console connected to the TV.

    If Film Mode is grayed out, the input signal is not TV, AV, Component (480i or 1080i), or HDMI (1080i).

    If Software Update is grayed out, the TV is not connected to Internet.

    If Contact Support is grayed out, the TV is not connected to Internet.


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post May 20 2019, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(GHOSTVIC @ May 20 2019, 12:55 AM)
Bro my tv is 24 hours connected with internet connection.. that is why i am confused why its gray out all of sudden..
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Then something is faulty there and you can't even do a factory reset on the TV without going into the "Self Diagnosis" menu.
Perhaps the latest update did not finish properly and left a few files corrupted.


I got a trick for you to try on , which worked on my MU7000 back then. Head to General system -> System Manager -> Switch to Retail mode -> Go back to Self Diagnosis -> Reset TV.

If this doesn't work then you will have to speak to their Customer Service .


QUOTE(Leroi2x @ May 19 2019, 10:04 PM)
Thanks bro,will look into it
1 more questions ,i saw on shopee this model was extremely cheap , do you have any experience or idea compared the 2 u recommend  me ,thanks again

Haier LE65U6600U 65" 4K Ultra HD Smart Android LED TV + Haier
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Nope I have not have measured a HAIER TV before but if a TV is priced much lower than its competition , it will have to compromise somehow . It is a simple give and take .
The trade-offs may not be immediately visible but in the long run they are going to haunt you .

So unless you really want to save on budget and don't care about what you're watching , I don't recommend it.

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post May 20 2019, 05:38 PM

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Those who still want to get an adequate , affordable HDR TV better grab the last stocks of NU8000 ASAP.

Samsung has removed all Local Dimming system on the 2019 successor RU8000 , effectively rendering the model to fall into the " Fake HDR TV " category.

The next " affordable " HDR TV title will move on to the new QLED Q75R , which is far too expensive than most people will pay for an LCD TV ( 55 " for $7-8k )

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post May 23 2019, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Outliar @ May 22 2019, 01:26 AM)
65' NU8000 going on Lazada at 5600, worth the snag?
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Yes , especially if it is not a display unit.

QUOTE(CyanChow @ May 22 2019, 10:22 AM)
Anyone here using LG 55UK7500 series? Can share experience? Is it 2018 model or 2019?
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UK = 2018 , UJ = 2017

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post May 23 2019, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ May 23 2019, 12:55 PM)
Hisense H8F series seems promising. Android TV, local dimming, Dolby Vision. Starting at 400usd for 50". Reviews seems to say that they perform well above the price point. But seems like it's not available here yet.
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" Dolby Vision " is the key here.
Paying for a world wide Dolby Vision license is expensive , very expensive .

It is like joining the royalty club for TV brands , one of the reason why it is only found at the upper range models for TV .
They can do that for the US because they have the market and audience for it . Outside of US , they will not find that kind of market even in China because most Chinese shows are not even mastered in DV.
Which also explain why TCL TV and most Chinese TV brands outside of US are not compatible with DV.


They did not bring the last year's H9E in the Asian region , I really don't see that changing anytime soon.

On the other hand , the more affordable Dolby Vision TVs can be found on the upcoming Panasonic GX800 ( which will also support HDR10+ at the same time ).

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post May 25 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(amirulikhsan90 @ May 23 2019, 05:53 PM)
Hi guys,

Thinking of getting a new TV with a budget of RM3k. Am looking for a 55" TV and currently looking at Sony KD55X7500F and Samsung UA55NU7100 as candidates as of now. Any comments about these 2 units?

Or do you guys have other units to suggest. I can stretch my budget up to 3.3k if needed.

Thank you in advance.
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Spend a little more for the upgrade on NU7400 instead. Should still fit within your budget.

It is one of the very rare , entry level TV in MY which is verified to have support of wider color space of DCI-P3. Up to 94% IIRC .


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post May 27 2019, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(arvind13 @ May 27 2019, 12:59 PM)
Hi guys, is there huge spec differences between the LG UK62 vs LG UK65? Only major diff is the Direct lit vs edge lit? Thinking of getting the LG UK62 (60') for about RM 2.4k from Lazada.  My viewing distance from sofa is about 8-9 feet. 

Thanks in advance!
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There is no major difference between direct lit and edge lit , they are just the method TV used to light up the screen .
If done properly , neither will cause you any problems . It should never be a factor to consider when buying TV.


If it doesn't matter why are people keep talking about it ?
Because people on internet spit bullcrap all the time . Just like some TV fanatics around these corners who keep spreading wrong information.
I don't have time nor intention to correct them , let alone to reply to them . Let them remain the laughing stocks they are , after all you can't wake up someone who is not sleeping .


Back to the topic , the only time when direct lit / edge lit becomes important is when the TV has a Local Dimming system.

In general , the direct-lit Local Dimming ( also known as Full Array Local Dimming ) is far better because they can control the LED backlight of TV via separate zones .
These TV can project a much better dark room performance and contrast compare to the edge-lit counterparts.


So to reiterate what I just said , if you're planning to get a TV with no local dimming system , direct lit or edge lit should not be a deal breaker.
I hope that clear up some of your confusion .


TBF , I know next to nothing on the UK6200.
It is pretty much the only LG TV model that has completely slipped off my radar from last year .
I do know it is a variant of UK6100/UK6300 but not a RGBW TV.

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post May 29 2019, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(wira1979 @ May 29 2019, 12:42 PM)
Hi All

I'm not sure where to ask this question but this seems the most appropriate thread.

I'm looking at upgrading my current TV to a newer model mostly to see what the fuss 4k is all about. My wishlist:

- below 50" (have got a small condo)
- Android TV (heavy Youtube and Netflix user)
- No budget

What's the best TV that I can get in Malaysia based on the above criteria? Thanks and cheers.
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No budget , as in limited spending or no limit on the budget ?

You don't need necessarily need an Android TV for Youtube and Netflix. They are commonly available on smart 4k TV.


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post May 30 2019, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(wira1979 @ May 30 2019, 06:20 AM)
What I meant was that I've got no limit on budget.

Would like the best TV for this size range.
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If it is possible , stretch for a 55 " instead. 55" is not that much bigger than a 49" / 50".

49" is where many of TV brands are starting to remove features , such as the downgraded refresh rate .

If you can settle down for a 55 " , there is a whole new selection opened up for you , especially when you got the $$$ .
For eg, you can get an OLED which is light years ahead of the most LCD TVs in MY.


If you insist on a 49" / 50 " , you can still get a QLED Q60R from Samsung . Other LCD TV of this bracket simply can't compete with Quantum Dots screen.
But it isn't as good as the QLED or NU8000 from last year. Sadly You don't exactly get many choices for premium TV at this size.

If you dislike Samsung , You can go for a 49" FX700K from Panasonic instead.

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post May 31 2019, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(wira1979 @ May 31 2019, 12:55 PM)
Thanks for your feedback. I do agree that 55" is where the going gets good. My only issue is that I am currently on 40" at home, so a bit concerned that the jump to 55" will be too much of a stretch. Guess I'll have to bring a measuring tape to the shops to know for sure.

If at 55", the LG C9 looks very tasty. Although I risk being murdered by my wife if she ever finds out the cost of the TV.
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Get a C8 instead . You can get one at below 7K now .
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post May 31 2019, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ May 31 2019, 03:37 PM)
Would like to know ur opinion for LG UK6500, Samsung NU7400 and Sony X7500F for 55" Conveal

Note: For parents who almost always watch Astro, bright(ish) and quite wide living room. Just wanna know which would be the better option
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I would get the UK65 if they are not too picky .

Look for a deal where they give you a free LG magic remote .
It makes using the TV a lot more simple and intuitive . WebOS is snappy , sleek and easier to use as well.


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post Jun 13 2019, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(the_coxz @ Jun 1 2019, 06:16 PM)
Hi,
Im thinking to buy 49” sony x7000f or 49” LG UK6300,
Which 1 u guys think better?
Price tag almost same, rm 1.8.
Thanks in advance 😊
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x7000f .


QUOTE(ILV @ Jun 3 2019, 11:33 AM)
Hi,
PAN TH55FX600k, price at RM2299, is it a good deal? any advise?
Sorry, if i posted on wrong post...
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55 " 4k display for 2.2k is very reasonable regardless of brands .

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post Jun 18 2019, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(benblitz @ Jun 17 2019, 06:37 PM)
Can anyone comment between the two models?
Budget can burst slightly to 4K but as always if can get lower peice the better. Just went to desa home theatre and quoted this price:

Samsung 55NU8000 3,699
LG 55UK7500PTA 2,899

Could not find much information on the LG model but the brightness is quite good. I am fairly new to this HDR scene, but I have been calibrating my display with an i1Pro before so I can somewhat eyeball color accuracy to target 6500K.

Alas, my knowledge on HDR, local dimming etc. is close to zero, need you guys opinion and justification between the two. I have seen @Convael comments is really well informative hopefully can get some insight from you.

Essentially my viewing distance is within 2 to 3 metres, source material is a PS4 Pro and 4K netflix. Does 55" suffice or would need 65"?

Edit: Some background, i am currently using Sony WE75 49" 1080p HDR10 display. It is one of the model that was launched together initially with PS4 Pro. But i do not have any information on this TV model and I no longer have my colorimeter to do measurement. But I doubt that this model is a True HDR10 and I suspect that it may be a Fake HDR without any sort of local dimming whatsoever. If anyone do have any information on this model is welcomed to pitch in. Because as of now though my TV is displaying "HDR" contents, I dont think it produces enough brightness to properly do HDR content justice. Hence would be good if my next TV can at least serve some justice to HDR content with a good price.
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The NU8000 is a lot more consistently brighter than UK7500 .

UK7500 may look bright enough in the shop . But TV shops don't usually loop HDR demo because it makes TV consumes more electricity in the long run.
Download some HDR demo clip on a thumbdrive and play them on the said TV.

And unlike most things in real life , TV only shows its " true colors " when the lights are turned off . Every little flaw on the screen is made more obvious in the dark.
Which is why it is impossible to determine the Picture Quality from demo in shop which is usually bright and well lit.

The same reason why last year , during Samsung QLED 's debut event they have briefly dimmed down the lights to show off the picture quality of their high end QLED Models .


I remembered the W750X model from Sony . It was one of the very rare 1080p TV that is compatible with HDR .
Unfortunately as you described , it can't get bright enough to extend the dynamic range of the pictures since it doesn't has a Local Dimming system.

The whole purpose of getting 4k TV , is you can sit closer to the screen and not having to see all the pixelation.
Without dwelling into too much details because this topic has been widely discussed , if you are below sitting below 2.5 m , 55" will be fine . Further than 2.5m , 65" + is ideal.
Typically if the TV screen is filling up roughly ~ 40%-60% of your vision field , that should be your comfort zone.

Remember these are merely guidelines . They are more of a recommendation but not absolute rules . Feel free to make adjustment if needed .
Of course if you have a bigger TV , you also have more flexibility to adjust the distance between your seat and the screen.



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QUOTE(szecheng @ Jun 18 2019, 04:02 PM)
Hi Convael,

if at bright environment showroom's TV all models set to vivid and playing all same content 4K HDR Demo & Astro HD720p + 480 SD.
can we compare the tv performance like this?
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It depends on which aspect of the TV you are looking at .

If you just want to look at which TV is the brightest , that just might work .

But if you are looking to compare overall picture quality , Vivid mode is usually the most offensive and inaccurate mode ; colors are over saturated , temperatures too cold , whites are too blue , artificial sharpening is maxed out .... etc etc . Different brand uses different settings in vivid mode as well .

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 22 2019, 09:49 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm contemplating the below 55" TVs below 3k price point,
- Sony X700
-LG UK6300
-LG UK 6500
-Samsung NU7100

I went to a store and the guy recommended the LG being more value for money while samsung has reliability issues.

Its going to be put in the living room with only 2 person in the house. I guess viewing angle wouldn't matter that much so i initially wanted to go for the samsung for as people are saying it has better contrast and blacks but was taken aback by the sales guy about the reliability issue.

Any advice would be much appreciated!
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What sort of reliability issues ?


QUOTE(jun20 @ Jun 23 2019, 08:12 PM)
Hi guys

Need your advice...Im looking to get a TV but really don't know which one. Can anyone suggest me :

-below 3K
-Supports WCG
-HDR+
-49"-55"
-netflix etc

mainly for movies and media consumption... thanks !!
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Sounds like you are talking about an NU7400 / RU7400.

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post Jun 24 2019, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 24 2019, 08:49 PM)
He was saying in the general sense that its always the one people would send in to repair. Instead he recommended me to get the UK6500 instead.

Would the NU8000 be worth saving for instead? Thinking to pull the plug with the options i mentioned or save and wait for NU8000 to go as low as 3k.
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Sales guy would say all sort of bullcrap just to sell TVs . Most of them know close to nothing about actual TV industry in general.
Perhaps in that particular month , he was responsible for promoting the sales of the LG brand ? who knows


And no , i don't think Samsung TV has reliability issues .

There are obviously more ppl who send in Samsung TV for repairs , because Samsung has sold 10 times more LCD TV than LG ever did in their entire lifespan .
The more people bought TV from one brand , the more faulty TVs there will be , even if the defect chance for these major brands remain the same hypothetically.

It is only in the high end market , the LG 's OLEDs are doing better than the Samsung's premium QLEDs .

He is not making the slightest sense and has no evidence to support his claims.



NU8000 is better than the UK65 . But the model has already been replaced by the newly debut RU8000 ( which is a downgrade ).
So if you still want to get the TV , you will probably miss the last train if you wait too long .

On a side note , the new Panasonic GX800 is a pretty decent new TV for living room .
It can hit a brightness of around 500 nits and supporting all the major HDR format on the market .
If you are willing to wait for a price drop , maybe go for the Panasonic instead .

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 24 2019, 12:40 PM)
This fellow seems to be selling TV at ridiculous price. It is real or scam ?

https://www.lazada.com.my/shop/empressmobil...annelSource=pdp

Once in a while there is these sellers come into picture with no ratings. And there is also few or almost no buyers. I am quite confused, it seems people overall are not attracted by overly cheap pricing too.

Experience online buyers, how do we find out if a seller is scam ?
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If something is too cheap to be good , it is probably a scam .

The scammers usually ask you to bank in directly to their bank account instead of paying on Lazada , because Lazada could not interfere with the private transaction if it turns out to be a fraud .

Or there is also a possibility of the merchant selling counterfeit products from India . Sony is particularly , a popular brand to rip off in India . If you ever buy from them , check your TV product code with Sony and you can always return the item if they turn out to be fake .

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 24 2019, 11:31 PM)
I was doubtful about the sales guy hence asking over here. In that case how does the GX800 fare vs the NU8000? I would most likely watch it at night and viewing angle is something i'm willing to compromise for better PQ. Does that also mean that NU8000 probably won't go any lower in price if i could find one, else extinct? How about UI in samsung vs penasonic as well?
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They are quite similar . Objectively the NU8000 is probably slightly brighter but I doubt most people would really notice that .

Since they are both mid-range TVs , to be perfectly honest they are neither the best TV for the brightest or darkest room.
The NU8000 is probably a wee bit better in a dark room since it has a VA screen , GX800 is an IPS TV ( the MY version differs from the VA panels they used in the UK ).


The Tizen OS from Samsung TV is more sleek and easy to use but they don't get updated .
For eg , NU8000 is running on Tizen 4.0 and it is not getting updated to the tizen 5.0 used in the 2019 models.
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QUOTE(Jaschong @ Jun 26 2019, 01:29 AM)
What about Penasonic OS? Since they are so similar i guess eventually Penasonic's price might go lower than NU8000's lowest?
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It will go down , that much is confirmed .

But will it be at the same level as NU8000 , that is hard to tell . There are very little TV models can be classified as Mid-range in MY , which also means they don't have to face a lot of competition.
It also has to depend on how desperate the retailers are on clearing stocks.

The Panasonic OS is called My Home Screen but it is not as tidy and as intuitive as the Tizen .

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QUOTE(benlaw @ Aug 4 2019, 10:27 PM)
I have a question
4k tv vs 1080 full hd tv
is watch the same 1080p content
will 4k tv look better?
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Of course not .


4K is essentially 8 millions pixels , 4 times that of 1080p .

4k TV has to undergo an upscaling process to recreate the same 1080p scene on a 4k screen.

With that being said , any upscaling algorithm is nothing more than an estimation .
The same part of the picture which was originally covering 1 pixel dot , has to be stretched to cover 4 pixel or more.
Which is why lower resolution material tend to look a tad blurry on high res display.


Pristine and high quality of 1080p content should look fairly identical with 4k .
720p is still acceptable on some brands , Sony and Samsung in particular .

Anything below that looks like garbage.


Contrary to the popular belief , the process of upscaling is important in retrieving more details and texture of the original picture.
Where cheap TV brands are just applying artificial sharpening on the edge which completely destroy the natural look of the image.

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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Sep 3 2019, 10:49 PM)
Tried long & hard to find the NU8000 but to no avail. So I guess I have to get the current models. Right now the choices are the 49” Q60 & the Sony X85F 55”. Not too sure about the other models under RM4k. My knowledge about TV is very limited as opposed to PC hardware haha.

Is Dolby Vision available on midrange TV, or only OLED?
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Panasonic's new GX800 is compatible with Dolby Vision too . 55" is below $4k now.

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