A while ago they had installment with interest charges up to 12% .
But I am unsure now , best if you give them a call to confirm.


Yea IPS TVs usually have terrible black levels in dark / dimmer room .

So just put on some lights , the ambient lights mask the grayish black really well , that's why its hard to tell the TV aparts in those showroom and shop displays .
Judging from your usage , the XF70 (x7000f) will serve you well.


Sorry to hear about that , when you got a defected or a broken TV it is frustrating . Makes you question your purchase decision.

But let's look at the brighter side , at least you are buying from the major brands & they are willing to repair / replace your TV normally.

I probably have recommended this particular model to hundreds of people , so far only a few of them are unsatisfied ( mostly nothing to do with malfunctioning units )
When you buy from the bigger brands , it doesn't mean all their units will be perfect. It just means they usually have better QC and the odds of defects are relatively lower .




This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 31 2018, 12:45 AM

It is pretty pointless to ask , the NU8000 is quite a bit more expensive than the 6800x .


I really wouldn't recommend anyone getting the XF85 until the price drops tremendously.
Very poor HDR performing TV in general , which is hot topic these days.

We normally recommend people to get a VA TV for bedroom as the environment is usually dimmer and dark , and the bed normally is placed directly in front of screen so wide viewing angles isn't as crucial as , say A living room TV.

The model you mentioned is an IPS TV , if you insist to get it put on some lights in the bedroom as ambient lights from external light source will mask the poor contrast levels of the IPS TV really well.

Unless we are talking about some of those high end TV with full array local dimming system , there shouldn't be any major difference in picture quality.

It is more of a matter of how big your room is and how far you sit away from the screen.
For the bigger screen , you have more flexibility to adjust the distance of your seat from the TV.

They are completely different , TCL TV USA has their very own R&D , they don't share with the other region outside of USA.

Nope , it is a RGB TV


The first thing you need to decide , is between VA or IPS.

The Panasonic and Sony are IPS while the rest are VA.

For brighter and bigger room , we normally recommend people to buy an IPS .
For dimmer and bedrooms , go for VA.


At this price point , they aren't going to make a day and night difference .

The Sharp model is an Android TV which has wider color gamut but without the better motion handling features.

Panasonic TVs always have amazing out of box color accuracy because that is the principle of their brands , which is great because people don't hire calibrator for their TVs of this price range.

The Samsung model has amazing contrast as usual but it is short of a few features (like smart remote control) this year.

Sony's TV has great picture processing features and I find XF7000 to be slightly brighter than last year X7000E , which is a good deal.

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 12 2018, 02:02 AM

The Nano Cell is just LG's fancy way of telling you " Our TV can show slightly better ( wider ) viewing angles than other IPS TV in the same range .

Nano Cell TV is also suppose to feature wider color gamut than regular TV when playing HDR Content .

Something to be noted is , the SJ800T is LG's last year mid ~ high end TV, it comes with better capabilities to process HDR content which is the hot topic in town these days.

It will depend on how often you watch HDR content to justify your purchase.
If not , just grab the Sony or Samsung .

I suggest you go with Sony , Sony TVs always have the better picture processing and noise handling , regardless of their TV models .

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 5 2018, 09:03 AM

Fundamentally for Samsung entry level 4K HDR TVs , they share the same VA panels and are identical in performance . You know one , you basically also know the rest.

From the KU6100 , KU6300 , MU6100 , MU6300 , MU6400 , NU7100 , NU7400 ... etc

They use the same Samsung UHD Dimming with the same pros and cons , amazing contrast levels , mediocre but steady brightness , decent motion features .
Overall I will say these TVs are pretty good . My only major complains remain its HDR performance . The Samsung UHD dimming provide more another layer of contrast improvement on the TV , but at the cost of dimming very small highlights on the screen . But the overall brightness of the HDR screen is still acceptable in a very dark room.


The 6300 series are usually the curved screens . The 6100 & 7100 series are the flat screens , the nu7400 and mu6400 are the flat screens with Wide color gamut supports .
Samsung has removed some features such as bluetooth & voice remote control , 5Ghz frequency WIFI support on the NU7100 this year .


The FX600 and X7000F are strikingly similar . I always find the Sony pictures a little sharper and generate less noise when you stream lower quality videos .
But they are very minor difference and should not be a deal breaker. Just remember you don't get the 5Ghz WIFI on the Sony if you ever want to stream PC Media directly to your TV.


As a precaution , which I am sure many are tired of reading , the Sony and Panasonic models are IPS TVs , which is more suitable for a brighter & larger room .

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 20 2018, 01:26 PM

"Smooth" will always cause motion artifacts along with soap opera effects. Which is why most reviews tell you to turn off these settings .
If you really want to leave the motion interpolation on , leave it at custom and manually adjust the "smoothness" to your liking.

You want a flawlessly smooth motion playback , you need to feed the TV HFR content .
You don't feed the TV low frame rate and expect the motion interpolation to be perfect , TV is not a miracle device.

Motion interpolation will always generate artifacts regardless of brands . It is considered a bonus feature , afterall not everyone can stand the S.O effects .

When I was talking about motion handling , I am referring to TV's native ability is at handling flickers and motion blurs with all the excessive motion settings OFF , Sony TV always do great in this respect. The pixels only take 7.5 milliseconds to change its colors , as a result motion blur effect is almost negligible for fast moving scenes .







Turning on BFI will always reduce brightness , this happens to every TV from every brand not just Sony.
The only TV that has really great BFI is Sony X9000F with X-motion clarity which can restore a portion of the lost brightness onto the picture . Even then this will still reduce the brightness loss from 50% to 20% , you are still going to lose brightness on screen no matter what .

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 23 2018, 08:21 PM

In a bright room they are about the same , in dark or dim room the Samsung is better because it is a VA TV .

The LG UK6300 is an RGBW TV .


The primary difference between XF70 and NU7100 is the panel . XF70 is an IPS and NU7100 a VA

Other than that there isn't too much of a difference between the two beside the inherent pro and cons of VA & IPS

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 27 2018, 04:18 PM

I was giving you a suggestion , one where Sony has an option to adjust the M.I ( motion interpolation ) settings . It helps to reduce motion artifacts you see generated around moving objects.

No idea how this turns into another " Different people Different Preference " defense , which you used to stray off topic & break my reply apart just for the sake of arguing. Back to you perhaps , remind me how is this relevant to what we were discussing ? I don't recall telling you to turn it off , only pointing out the fact that M.I is an option that can be adjusted / turned off ?



My advice , go look for entry level TVs from other brands before you make judgement .
You are right , Sony is cutting features from their budget TVs . But at the very least you are still getting the options for MI & BFI . Are you aware that some of the more expensive TVs don't have MI & BFI at all ?

You don't have to agree with me , it is the general consensus that Sony TVs have a better motion handling .
Perhaps not good enough for you but it is already better than some other brands .

Certain individuals tend to notice the motion flaws more than the others . Ever consider the fact that maybe you are the minority in this case ?
Sony has sold a lot of units from their 7000 series for the past few years . If the artifact problems are so severe , I am sure we would have heard of it , not just the one or two occasional ruckus from forum.



The only thing irrelevant here is this argument , all TVs at this price range are of 60hz to begin with .

A 60hz TV with 7.5 ms pixel response time will help to reduce motion blurs , ghostings and frame stutters . All of which are critical component of the motion handling process.

This specific model has a steady backlights and doesn't induce much flickers , reasonably good at processing motion 24p judders despite being a 60hz & doesn't cause noticeable stutters . All of these contribute to the overall pretty good motion performance of the TV , not just the MI artifacts.

I mentioned them because you were wondering why reviewers think Sony TVs have good motion handlings . You are only evaluating the performance from MI & BFI. How about TVs that don't have them ? Then all of the LG OLED TV from the past years must have scored a 0 in motion handling since they don't even have a BFI system .



"HFR" I mean here is higher FPS , anything higher than your typical 24p media content.

An interpolated 60 fps video can never look as good as native 60 fps content , that's what I mean.

Regardless of how advanced your M.I algorithm is , the extra frame is only a duplicate , not an actual portrayal of the moving objects . Sony 's principle is to try & keep these motion artifacts at minimal . In fact their TV often skips a frame or two to avoid causing too much artifacts on the screen.

The question is , what sort of expectation do you have for your TV ?

A large part of your complaint is base on the motion artifacts when M.I is turned on .
Throughout my life time of inspecting TVs , none of them , not even the top notch TVs can manage a perfect M.I with zero artifacts

Also a little correction, the TV interpolates 30 fps into 60 fps , not AT 30 fps.

You obviously has done some reading on rtings looking to "debunk" my replies but not enough to understand how the thing works precisely.
Ironically , rting actually rated the motion score of model you linked higher than other TVs in the similar price range.


The BFI implementation on current LED LCD displays is nowhere near perfect , they suffer a significant brightness drop or from more apparent flicker effects .

You were ranting about the brightness drop from BFI previously , which I've already explained how this is result of TV flashing its backlights to insert a black frame .

Somehow , you took this wrongly and link me a duty cycles chart from different model from different year . Yea right , that is very credible and relevant.
Do you even have any idea why does this TV of yours has shorter duty cycles to begin with ? Let me know when you figure this out (hint : the answer is not on rting )

You don't want the screen to dim , don't turn the BFI on . If you can tolerate the flickers , Samsung BFIs experience less of a brightness drop ( ~30%V) or the XF900 ( ~20%V ). Until then , please name me a TV at this price range that doesn't suffer from BFI screen dimming .






I don't see how I am being defensive , Sony doesn't pay me to say good things of their TVs . In fact I am the biggest anti - fanboism of the brands on this forum.
If you are offended by what I said , I am sorry . But here is an advice from me , you will need a little thicker skin to survive in the society.

You are paying for an entry level basic TV , you need to seriously keep your expectation in check.

Don't like the TV ? Feel free to shout out loud , that's what the forum is here for . Unlike a certain brand PR , I am not emotionally affected by your criticism .

As much as I always enjoy a good read from new TV experiences , I don't usually step in unless they've made very bold & exaggerated claims .
All of the concerns you have for the TV are valid . But they have been made hyperbole , clearly you have yet to come across many other budget TVs of the same price range.

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 28 2018, 07:27 AM

It's a RGBW TV .

I believe the Philips model isn't a HDR TV .

Philips doesn't care about their 4k TV market in Malaysia very much , that's why their TVs are often excluded from recommendation . Especially when this particular model is from last year , I don't know if they ever plan to bring their 2018 models to MY especially when they put most of their TV priority in the Europe market .


4k HDR-TVs in this price range show very little difference than SDR but it is nice to still have that option .
Only the #2 , #3 , #4 from your list are tagged as a 4K HDR TV .


The Sharp is VA TV but it doesn't has any M.I or BFI features , which means it isn't very ideal for watching movies since you will have no way to smooth out the judders from 24p movies on a 60 hz TV . However . not everyone will notice the judders .

The LG model is one of the brand's infamous RGBW TV , which you should avoid buying despite being a little bit cheaper .

Overall , the Sony model has the most complete set of features among the 4 at a slightly higher price tag.


Beside that , the first thing to decide when you are buying TVs is to determine your room condition , go with IPS for brighter & larger room , VA if your room is dark / dimmer .

I really doubt that , unless the shop owner lets you calibrate both of the TV for a side by side comparison . Beside that , any difference you see might as well be the result of different TV settings . TV shops are usually well-lit , which makes it really difficult to judge on picture quality as well.

That's why all these IPS TV look really incredible good in shop .

So in conclusion , despite of what most people telling you go to the shop , trust your eyes , blah blah blah .... what we can actually see in the shop is very limited . It is crucial to keep your expectation in check , have the basic knowledge so you don't get swayed by the salesman and end up buying an entirely different TV when it is sent to your home .

You are looking for a living room TV , so getting an IPS TV seems more ideal .
In your case , only the LG & Sony models are of IPS screen , since you have already eliminated the LG out of the two it is only logical to get the Sony one.


***I am 95% sure the Philips model of this size has a VA panel but I can still be wrong


As a ex - plasma owner , I find it really hard to adapt to the LED-LCD TV .
Most modern LED-LCDs simply can't compete with the black levels , the viewing angles and the motion clarity of Plasma .


That's why long after the death of Plasmas , some AV enthusiast are still holding onto their trustworthy Kuro
Theoretically , only the OLEDs can provide meaningful upgrades to your previous plasma but it is far more expensive than your budget allows and not available in the smaller size (<55")


On the bright side ( literally ) , modern TVs are far brighter than Plasmas and provide massive resolution upgrade to 4k and upcoming 8k , along with HDR & accessibility with most of the basic 4k streaming platforms such as Youtube , Amazon prime videos, Netflix . The HDR is also the hot topic in town so you should spend some times reading onto that .

Start by learning the pro & cons from LED-LCD types ( VA vs IPS ) and understand how practical these advantages can apply to your room.
For eg , if you are buying a fairly large TV for smaller personal rooms , the wider viewing angles will not be very useful to you.

Then look for the prices of the models and see which brands can suit your personal need best.

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 14 2018, 04:13 PM

All sizes of XF70 seems to be IPS for now

X7000E

3) Samsung nu7400 50"


This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 5 2018, 07:21 AM

Only the 55 inches of older models of X7000E are VA , 55 inches of X7000F is IPS .

That's pretty much the difference , you are paying extra for the Android OS. But Sony 's TV Android OS is prone to crashes and sluggishness , some people prefer it because it offers more apps . They have also removed some of the trivial features such as the support of 5GHz Wifi on the XF70 .


Because it is the better TV among your options for dimmer rooms , any difference you see in the shop might as well be the result of different settings .
The Samsung TVs will look more washed out when viewed from the sides because it has narrow viewing angles ( which is the flaw of VA Panel based TV) . But it is a little better for watching HDR content thanks to the coverage of wider color space.

That's the thing with 4K TVs , if you don't sit close enough to the screen , any picture improvement to 4k is not very visible to our eyes , hence not worth paying extra for the 4K upgrades .


It's difficult to say if TV A or TV B has better upscaling , because any difference might be caused by different sharpness settings.
Most big brands TV runs a very identical upscaling algorithm , but certain brands like Samsung's TV tend to overscan the screen causing the overall picture to look a bit more blurry .
Once these extra processing effects are turned off , the upscaling quality should look pretty much the same unless you are running test patterns and using magnifier to spot the difference.

The primary difference between the two is still the HDR performance (beside the resolution upgrade) . The 6800x supports a wider color space than LE580X but this colors improvement is only visible in HDR TV shows , movies and games . If you don't watch / play HDR content , might as well stick with the 580x.

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 12 2018, 04:09 PM

It's hard to say which brand is more durable ; I have had Samsung TVs which lasted over 7 years without problems , I have also seen Sony TVs broke down within the week of purchase. The vast majority of people only complain when things broke down , which is why there are more people complain about Samsung since they've sold more TVs than the other brands.


In terms of the color performance , neither of these 2 TV support wider color gamut. So expect their color performance to be identical when both TV are adjusted under the same
settings.


Depends on your room condition , the Sony one is an IPS TV while the Samsung one is of VA panel .
As usual , I recommend you to get an IPS TV for larger room, brighter room (such as living room ) to take advantages of the wider viewing angles . For brighter rooms , the ambient lights will hide the poor black levels of IPS TV really well . For smaller and dimmer room such as bed room , go for the VA panel.

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 13 2018, 10:26 PM

The standard edition should be using IPS , as listed here .

There seem to be several different edition of the model (X7007f , X7077f ) from your screenshot . I can't be sure if every single of these edition are of IPS panels , there are simply too many different warehouse edition to track them down for every sizes . Sony may have added some extra features as a quirk , like many other brands did with their warehouse variance. But the general performance of the TV should remain the same as the default XF7000 .


I do know that when Sony announced their 2018 line ups , only the XF83 ( X8300F) was specifically highlighted as VA models .

If you want to be absolutely sure of the panel type & added features , the best way is to call & ask Sony themselves .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 15 2018, 06:19 AM