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 4k tv under RM3k, Sony or Samsung or LG??

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post Nov 30 2018, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Ncfhong @ Nov 29 2018, 10:22 PM)
For all sifu,

Im looking below TVs and having difficulty to make decision, can some one help me?
I have a tv box, which can watch drama, sport, movie and youtube. Besides, my tv will install at condo style living room, so not watch from wide angle.

Sony:
49X7000F (heard people said, youtube is only for 2 years, after 2 years cant use anymore?)
49X7500F (I have tv box, so dont need android apps, but is this model better?)
aside of apps, i dont know what is the different between this 2.

LG:
49UK6300PTE - cheaper and below 2k, but i think this is IPS (Which i dont need)
50UK6500 - VA and just added 1 more inch compare to above, but price is far different

Samsung
49 NU7100 - Basically, saw post from online, they said quality not that good, having issue after few years.
50NU7400 - not really know about this.

For VA and IPS, i think will go for VA, what you guys thought? Please help.
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XF70 = I doubt that is the case since this is a 2018 Sony entry level 4k TV . It may be possible at some point the app itself will stop running on a specific OS version but this can happen to all TVs eventually . However the model you're talking about are of the 2018 TVs , it is unlikely they have gone unsupported within a year.

XF75 = More or less the same as XF70 but you are paying more for the Android OS , 5Ghz WIFI support.

LG UK6300 = LG 's cheapest 4K TV which utilize the RGBW panel .

UK6500 = LG 's mid range TV , its a bit better for watching HDR than UK6300 .

NU7100 : Samsung's most basic 4K TV in 2018 . Again , I don't think the claims are very credible because this is Samsung's 2018 model , so the " having issue after a few years " can't be true since we are still in 2018.

NU7400 : Like NU7100 , but with more features such as cable management , WIFI 5Ghz supports , blue tooth , etc etc . Also supports a Wider Color Gamut which means the HDR performance is a little bit better.


There are a lot of discussion and ranting about TV durability in general . Most people only complain about their TV when it broke down , people who have never encounter any problems are usually quiet.
Therefore , the number of complaint about a specific TV brand is usually not a direct indication of the TV durability and manufacturing quality control.

For eg , a lot more people QQ about Samsung TV . That is only because Samsung sold the most TVs ( not in the premium market ) . Someone bought a Samsung TV today and it went haywire tomorrow, obviously he is going to make a scene in the forum . Then we have the other guy who bought the same model and have lasted 7 years without problem but never say a word .

My verdict is simple , If I got a defected unit from one of these major brands , I will look at how efficient and how quickly they can hold up to their promise , to replace or to repair the TV . As long as they are willing to fulfill their promise , they are a good brand. It is unreasonable to expect every TV unit to last 10 years because one guy said his TV did .




If you don't need the wide viewing angles , go for the Samsung . If you want to get a TV to watch with a group of friends and family , get the IPS from Sony or LG . If you prefer more apps selection , get the Sony Android OS TV but keep in mind not everyone like the counter intuitive and sluggish UI .


QUOTE(xSean @ Nov 29 2018, 07:31 PM)
is this good buy?

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/sony-kd5...Xh06dn&search=1

comparing Sony KD55X7500F vs Sharp LC50UA6800X...

any advise?
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One is IPS and the other one is VA .


The Sharp is better for HDR and watching movies in a dim / dark room.
The Sony is better for watching sports and fast action movies in a decently lit , large room.

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 30 2018, 05:53 AM
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post Nov 30 2018, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Nov 30 2018, 01:56 AM)
XF70 = I doubt that is the case since this is a 2018 Sony entry level 4k TV . It may be possible at some point the app itself will stop running on a specific OS version but this can happen to all TVs eventually .  However the model you're talking about are of the 2018 TVs , it is unlikely they have gone unsupported within a year.

XF75 = More or less the same as XF70 but you are paying more for the Android OS , 5Ghz WIFI support.

LG UK6300 = LG 's cheapest 4K TV which utilize the RGBW panel .

UK6500 = LG 's mid range TV , its a bit better for watching HDR than UK6300 .

NU7100 : Samsung's most basic 4K TV in 2018 . Again , I don't think the claims are very credible because this is Samsung's 2018 model , so the " having issue after a few years " can't be true since we are still in 2018.

NU7400 : Like NU7100 , but with more features such as cable management , WIFI 5Ghz supports , blue tooth , etc etc . Also supports a Wider Color Gamut which means the HDR performance is a little bit better.
There are a lot of discussion and ranting about TV durability in general  . Most people only complain about their TV when it broke down , people who have never encounter any problems are usually quiet.
Therefore , the number of complaint about a specific TV brand is usually not a direct indication of the TV durability and manufacturing quality control.

For eg , a lot more people QQ about Samsung TV . That is only because Samsung sold the most TVs ( not in the premium market ) . Someone bought a Samsung TV today and it went haywire tomorrow, obviously he is going to make a scene in the forum .  Then we have the other guy who bought the same model and have lasted 7 years without problem but never say a word .

My verdict is simple , If I got a defected unit from one of these major brands , I will look at how efficient and how quickly they can hold up to their promise , to replace or to repair the TV . As long as they are willing to fulfill their promise , they are a good brand.  It is unreasonable to expect every TV unit to last 10 years because one guy said his TV did .
If you don't need the wide viewing angles , go for the Samsung . If you want to get a TV to watch with a group of friends and family , get the IPS from Sony or LG . If you prefer more apps selection , get the Sony Android OS TV but keep in mind not everyone like the counter intuitive and sluggish UI .
One is IPS and the other one is VA .
The Sharp is better for HDR and watching movies in a dim /  dark room.
The Sony is better for watching sports and fast action movies in a decently lit , large room.
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Thanks Sifu, finally i have a better understanding for all of these.
Apparently Sony are out for me, as i watch TV in a dim living room 50% of the time with just sit at the sofa infront of TV.
Samsung NU7400 will be the perfect fit for me.
Btw, as i know, those Sony models i mentioned above are with IPS panel, as well as LG 49" 6300. And LG 6500, both samsung are with VA panel, am i right?
besides, which models are sluggish UI and counter intuitive? Sony android?

Thanks so much for your explanation.
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Any good deal for 12.12?
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QUOTE(Ncfhong @ Nov 30 2018, 01:44 PM)
Thanks Sifu, finally i have a better understanding for all of these.
Apparently Sony are out for me, as i watch TV in a dim living room 50% of the time with just sit at the sofa infront of TV.
Samsung NU7400 will be the perfect fit for me.
Btw, as i know, those Sony models i mentioned above are with IPS panel, as well as LG 49" 6300. And LG 6500, both samsung are with VA panel, am i right?
besides, which models are sluggish UI and counter intuitive? Sony android?

Thanks so much for your explanation.
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Get the Samsung. VA panel, low input lag and decent brightness with wide colour gamut. Its not the best HDR performer in its class but should be A-OK for most things. Only go for Sony and LG for their higher-end TVs (LG good for OLED only).
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post Dec 4 2018, 11:14 AM

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Strange that so many people dont look at Panasonic which is way better than all the other brands. Ignorance is not bliss. Better compare Panasonic side by side with the other brands. Then you will know why I no longer recommend other brands to people.
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post Dec 4 2018, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(empire @ Dec 4 2018, 11:14 AM)
Strange that so many people dont look at Panasonic which is way better than all the other brands. Ignorance is not bliss. Better compare Panasonic side by side with the other brands. Then you will know why I no longer recommend other brands to people.
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I have been trying to tell you how silly your assessment is but yes , you can be ignorant.


All of these basic 4k TVs pretty much share the same limited color coverage .
The fact that you blatantly declare the Panasonic look far more colorful and superior , especially the specific model you are talking about doesn't even support WCG to begin with .


People do listen to your recommendation when your logic is strong , but in this case it just crumbles like sand.


You can keep lying to yourself, specs don't matter . And if these numbers don't matter , people wouldn't spend thousand of dollars on calibrating tools to to set up their displays . Hollywood studios don't need to spend millions of dollars mastering their movies for commercial release.



Is it possible the TV you have seen has slightly more accurate colors ? Sure . And question , how do you tell which TV has more accurate colors without any tools ? Do you just pick which TV look the most natural to your eyes ? Most people are exposed to the overly blueish white for decades from their monitors and phone , how do you tell if the colors are accurate from untrained eyes ?

Does that means all the same units from that specific Panasonic lineup are going to look exactly the same ? No , because these are the products of mass production , Panel Variance do exist regardless of how excellent the QC are.

Are the other TV models you are comparing with , properly calibrated to the same setting ? Probably not .

If so , is the comparison fair enough for other TV brands and models ? Definitely no


It is getting silly when you try to force the brand to everyone.

By now I am sick of repeating my points . If you are serious about comparing TV , at the very least get some test patterns and some proper HDR demo to your USB drive for testing .
Comparing SDR content between these entry level TVs are almost meaningless.

Most of the big brands basic UHD TVs look very identical to each others . If you like how the colors look on your current Panasonic model , you can probably do some light calibration on the other TV to look very close for SDR.
For HDR its different story though.


I get it , you've got an amazing new TV and I look forward to you sharing your experiences with us . But all I've heard from you so far is how superior your TV is while trashing on the other brands at the same time , it is rather disappointing .

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post Dec 4 2018, 01:04 PM

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I have learnt not to argue with ignorant people and move on. rclxms.gif

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post Dec 4 2018, 02:53 PM

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Welp got a Sony from Lazada (Tech Mall) and it arrived cracked. Regret not paying more just get from Harvey Norman or something. SMH.

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post Dec 4 2018, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Dec 4 2018, 02:53 PM)
Welp got a Sony from Lazada (Tech Mall) and it arrived cracked. Regret not paying more just get from Harvey Norman or something. SMH.
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No free replacement? wah so low stingy. ohmy.gif
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post Dec 5 2018, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Dec 4 2018, 11:46 PM)
No free replacement? wah so low stingy. ohmy.gif
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Got to process refund. Wait them pickup but heard horror stories about how long it will take. Lazada still has a way to go to be a local Amazon, this Tech-Mall is their own electronics LazMall/shop. If Amazon they would send out replacement immediately no questions asked then pick up the broken one within 1-3 days. Here have to do same process like we drop off small item at Poslaju/Collectco wait for them evaluate then get money back. The pickup is the problematic part, worrying about that since not sure how long it will take for Poslaju to followup (7-14 working days!). In the end will probably miss all the 12-12 plus end year sales if this drags 2-4 weeks. No new TV for Xmas like planned. So disappointing. Delivery was fine with box undented but open up there's a huge crack right on screen, think they don't even check item before they ship out. Didn't mean hijack thread about 4k tvs but was worried earlier about delivery when purchase TV online and well the worst has happened.

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Dec 5 2018, 09:31 PM)
Got to process refund. Wait them pickup but heard horror stories about how long it will take. Lazada still has a way to go to be a local Amazon, this Tech-Mall is their own electronics LazMall/shop. If Amazon they would send out replacement immediately no questions asked then pick up the broken one within 1-3 days. Here have to do same process like we drop off small item at Poslaju/Collectco wait for them evaluate then get money back. The pickup is the problematic part, worrying about that since not sure how long it will take for Poslaju to followup (7-14 working days!). In the end will probably miss all the 12-12 plus end year sales if this drags 2-4 weeks. No new TV for Xmas like planned. So disappointing. Delivery was fine with box undented but open up there's a huge crack right on screen, think they don't even check item before they ship out. Didn't mean hijack thread about 4k tvs but was worried earlier about delivery when purchase TV online and well the worst has happened.
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Shopee has many good 4K tv offers, just didn't know which is the best one.
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post Dec 6 2018, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Dec 5 2018, 09:31 PM)
Got to process refund. Wait them pickup but heard horror stories about how long it will take. Lazada still has a way to go to be a local Amazon, this Tech-Mall is their own electronics LazMall/shop. If Amazon they would send out replacement immediately no questions asked then pick up the broken one within 1-3 days. Here have to do same process like we drop off small item at Poslaju/Collectco wait for them evaluate then get money back. The pickup is the problematic part, worrying about that since not sure how long it will take for Poslaju to followup (7-14 working days!). In the end will probably miss all the 12-12 plus end year sales if this drags 2-4 weeks. No new TV for Xmas like planned. So disappointing. Delivery was fine with box undented but open up there's a huge crack right on screen, think they don't even check item before they ship out. Didn't mean hijack thread about 4k tvs but was worried earlier about delivery when purchase TV online and well the worst has happened.
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So not recommended to buy online? I planned to buy from desa home in lazada...it cheaper a lot than retail shop
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this is the biggest worry for me. Thats why I bought from a Physical shop so that there wont be any crack on the TV when they deliver it to my house. It is ok to pay a little more to have peace of mind rather than going through the stress of returning back to lazada and getting irritated for the next 2-3 weeks waiting for the TV to be repaired.
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QUOTE(xSean @ Dec 6 2018, 11:22 AM)
So not recommended to buy online? I planned to buy from desa home in lazada...it cheaper a lot than retail shop
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Dunno about Desa but tbh i won't buy online for TV and delicate electronics like that no matter good deal or not. If buy online from actual shop that will unbox & setup for you think it's fine. If they deliver using courier I would think twice if I were you. Technically they could say that you signed for delivery say it's fine but no one actually ask delivery wait while you spend time unboxing setup (probably they start laughing or get mad say it's not their job). Now those shops also got the same price that this TV was as they have sales. I could buy TV again but don't wanna be out of pocket by that much of money while half of it is in limbo.
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Sorry to hear that but really depends on your luck i guess. I bought my TV from Lazada and it arrived in less than 48 hours. TV works fine too. Definitely impossible to get the same price elsewhere. But the risk is there...
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12.12 Deal:

Sony KD55X7000F - RM2199
Sony KD55X7500F - RM2549

Sharp LC60UA6500X - RM2595
Sharp LC60UA6800X - RM3249
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QUOTE(sidq @ Dec 10 2018, 05:08 PM)
12.12 Deal:

Sony KD55X7000F - RM2199
Sony KD55X7500F - RM2549

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Very good price.

What's the difference between 7000 vs 7500?
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post Dec 11 2018, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 11 2018, 01:13 AM)
Very good price.

What's the difference between 7000 vs 7500?
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XF75 is basically a XF70 with an Android OS.
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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 11 2018, 09:07 AM)
XF75 is basically a XF70 with an Android OS.
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Thank you!
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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 11 2018, 09:07 AM)
XF75 is basically a XF70 with an Android OS.
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Do u think it’s worth to upgrade
I’m using Sony w800c

Any shop accept trade?
I just got PS4 pro but no 4K tv

Also u think it worth to top up more for Android?
Innm w800c have android but I don’t really get it

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