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post Aug 19 2018, 09:34 PM

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Guys.. need some professional advice..

I'm planning to get Sony KD55X7000F
1) Gonna wall mount it
2) Gonna buy Roku Streaming Stick+ & plug to HDMI
3) Gonna subscribe Netflix for 4K and Directv premier for all US channels
4) Hacked and currently have 4 sockets
- 1 at 40" above floor to hide TV power wiring
- 3 behind or below TV cabinet for
i) Soundbar (plan to get wireless connected, not sure KD55X7000F can support?)
ii) Wifi Router
iii) Gaming Console

Can the plan above makes my TV set up without exposing wires?

And which package to subscribe for on demand Kdrama?


Thanks
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post Aug 19 2018, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Aug 19 2018, 11:16 AM)
Go to Samsung thread post #130.
You can get the info there.
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Thanks. Found the post, sharing the link for benefit of rest too

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4590277/all
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post Aug 19 2018, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(purisudhir @ Aug 19 2018, 09:46 PM)
Thanks. Found the post, sharing the link for benefit of rest too

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4590277/all
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Just got mine at ESH Empire @ RM 2788. Plus RM 119 bracket + RM 250 installation to pasang on my wall.

Took up the e-guard with extra RM 463 which make 2+3 years.

Total damage @ RM 3620.
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post Aug 20 2018, 11:59 AM

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Guys, need help to decide which 55" tv to get from SenQ
gonna to replace my old non-hdr 4k bedroom sammy TV, mainly for PS4Pro gaming & movie streaming

Currently choosing between 3 model, each got some pro & con

1) Samsung NU7400 @ RM3199, final price = RM2171 (after trade-in + CC points rebate).
Pro: HDR10+, SteamLink builtin, most feature rich
Con: More expensive then the rest

2) Panasonic FX600 @ RM3050, final price = RM2022
Pro: Best color to my eyes, hexa chroma drive looks nicer, minimal calibration needed
Con: a bit limited in smart features, no bluetooth

3) Sony X7000F @ RM2799, final price = RM1771
Pro: cheapest of the range, best processor?
Con: No AC Wifi, no bluetooth, smart feature limited

Currently leaning more to Samsung, but still very limited reviews on the unit, and comments on the 3 models? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by greyshadow: Aug 20 2018, 12:04 PM
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post Aug 20 2018, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Aug 20 2018, 11:59 AM)
Guys, need help to decide which 55" tv to get from SenQ
gonna to replace my old non-hdr 4k bedroom sammy TV, mainly for PS4Pro gaming & movie streaming

Currently choosing between 3 model, each got some pro & con

1) Samsung NU7400 @ RM3199, final price = RM2171 (after trade-in + CC points rebate).
Pro: HDR10+, SteamLink builtin, most feature rich
Con: More expensive then the rest

2) Panasonic FX600 @ RM3050, final price = RM2022
Pro: Best color to my eyes, hexa chroma drive looks nicer, minimal calibration needed
Con: a bit limited in smart features, no bluetooth

3) Sony X7000F @  RM2799, final price = RM1771
Pro: cheapest of the range, best processor?
Con: No AC Wifi, no bluetooth, smart feature limited

Currently leaning more to Samsung, but still very limited reviews on the unit, and comments on the 3 models? hmm.gif
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All these are prices you got from SenQ?
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post Aug 20 2018, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(apowerfulskill @ Aug 20 2018, 12:15 PM)
All these are prices you got from SenQ?
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yup, final price is after RM500 trade in of my old TV, plus rebate from my CC points, & RM50 SenQ member voucher
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post Aug 20 2018, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Aug 20 2018, 11:59 AM)
Guys, need help to decide which 55" tv to get from SenQ
gonna to replace my old non-hdr 4k bedroom sammy TV, mainly for PS4Pro gaming & movie streaming

Currently choosing between 3 model, each got some pro & con

1) Samsung NU7400 @ RM3199, final price = RM2171 (after trade-in + CC points rebate).
Pro: HDR10+, SteamLink builtin, most feature rich
Con: More expensive then the rest

2) Panasonic FX600 @ RM3050, final price = RM2022
Pro: Best color to my eyes, hexa chroma drive looks nicer, minimal calibration needed
Con: a bit limited in smart features, no bluetooth

3) Sony X7000F @  RM2799, final price = RM1771
Pro: cheapest of the range, best processor?
Con: No AC Wifi, no bluetooth, smart feature limited

Currently leaning more to Samsung, but still very limited reviews on the unit, and comments on the 3 models? hmm.gif
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Fundamentally for Samsung entry level 4K HDR TVs , they share the same VA panels and are identical in performance . You know one , you basically also know the rest.

From the KU6100 , KU6300 , MU6100 , MU6300 , MU6400 , NU7100 , NU7400 ... etc

They use the same Samsung UHD Dimming with the same pros and cons , amazing contrast levels , mediocre but steady brightness , decent motion features .
Overall I will say these TVs are pretty good . My only major complains remain its HDR performance . The Samsung UHD dimming provide more another layer of contrast improvement on the TV , but at the cost of dimming very small highlights on the screen . But the overall brightness of the HDR screen is still acceptable in a very dark room.


The 6300 series are usually the curved screens . The 6100 & 7100 series are the flat screens , the nu7400 and mu6400 are the flat screens with Wide color gamut supports .
Samsung has removed some features such as bluetooth & voice remote control , 5Ghz frequency WIFI support on the NU7100 this year .


The FX600 and X7000F are strikingly similar . I always find the Sony pictures a little sharper and generate less noise when you stream lower quality videos .
But they are very minor difference and should not be a deal breaker. Just remember you don't get the 5Ghz WIFI on the Sony if you ever want to stream PC Media directly to your TV.


As a precaution , which I am sure many are tired of reading , the Sony and Panasonic models are IPS TVs , which is more suitable for a brighter & larger room .

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 20 2018, 01:26 PM
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post Aug 20 2018, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 20 2018, 01:25 PM)
Fundamentally for Samsung entry level 4K HDR TVs , they share the same VA panels and are identical in performance . You know one , you basically also know the rest.

From the KU6100 , KU6300 , MU6100 , MU6300 , MU6400 , NU7100 , NU7400 ... etc

They use the same Samsung UHD Dimming with the same pros and cons , amazing contrast levels , mediocre but steady brightness , decent motion features .
Overall I will say these TVs are pretty good . My only major complains remain its HDR performance . The Samsung UHD dimming provide more another layer of contrast improvement on the TV , but at the cost of dimming very small highlights on the screen . But the overall brightness of the HDR screen is still acceptable in a very dark room.
The 6300 series are usually the curved screens . The 6100 & 7100 series are the flat screens , the nu7400 and mu6400 are the flat screens with Wide color gamut supports .
Samsung has removed some features such as bluetooth & voice remote control , 5Ghz frequency WIFI support on the NU7100 this year .
The FX600 and X7000F are strikingly similar . I always find the Sony pictures a little sharper and generate less noise when you stream lower quality videos .
But they are very minor difference and should not be a deal breaker.  Just remember you don't get the 5Ghz WIFI on the Sony if you ever want to stream PC Media directly to your TV.
As a precaution , which I am sure many are tired of reading , the Sony and Panasonic models are IPS TVs , which is more suitable for a brighter & larger room .
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So the Sammy NU7400 confirmed is a VA panel?

since the other 2 is IPS, seems my only option is Sammy then for my bedroom

but I had bad experience with my current 49JU6400, it has very obvious vertical banding, worst when during dark scenes, hope this new model doesn't have such issue
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post Aug 22 2018, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 14 2018, 07:01 AM)
The Nano Cell is just LG's fancy way of telling you " Our TV can show slightly better ( wider ) viewing angles than other IPS TV in the same range .
I did not notice any particular color performance improvement from these LG's TVs  .
Something to be noted is ,  the SJ800T is LG's last year mid ~ high end TV, it comes with better capabilities to process HDR content which is the hot topic in town these days.

It will depend on how often you watch HDR content to justify your purchase.
If not , just grab the Sony or Samsung .
I suggest you go with Sony , Sony TVs always have the better picture processing and noise handling , regardless of their TV models .
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I used to think Sony has the best image processing (at least from my experience of old Sony TV and online reviews)
However the X7000F i have has really crappy motion processing:

1) If i turn on the Motionflow to Smoothness, the artifact is so bad it is unbearable, even noticeable at the minimal settings.
2) Turning on Motionflow to Clearness which essentially is BFI, the brightness dim to less than half, to the point turning on to maximum brightness is still below viewable in a room with ambient light.

My 3 years old Panasonic does a much much better motion processing job than Sony, which if i recall, isn't something Panasonic is known for.
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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Aug 22 2018, 01:28 PM)
I used to think Sony has the best image processing (at least from my experience of old Sony TV and online reviews)
However the X7000F i have has really crappy motion processing:

1) If i turn on the Motionflow to Smoothness, the artifact is so bad it is unbearable, even noticeable at the minimal settings.

My 3 years old Panasonic does a much much better motion processing job than Sony, which if i recall, isn't something Panasonic is known for.
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"Smooth" will always cause motion artifacts along with soap opera effects. Which is why most reviews tell you to turn off these settings .
If you really want to leave the motion interpolation on , leave it at custom and manually adjust the "smoothness" to your liking.

You want a flawlessly smooth motion playback , you need to feed the TV HFR content .
You don't feed the TV low frame rate and expect the motion interpolation to be perfect , TV is not a miracle device.

Motion interpolation will always generate artifacts regardless of brands . It is considered a bonus feature , afterall not everyone can stand the S.O effects .

When I was talking about motion handling , I am referring to TV's native ability is at handling flickers and motion blurs with all the excessive motion settings OFF , Sony TV always do great in this respect. The pixels only take 7.5 milliseconds to change its colors , as a result motion blur effect is almost negligible for fast moving scenes .




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2) Turning on Motionflow to Clearness which essentially is BFI, the brightness dim to less than half, to the point turning on to maximum brightness is still below viewable in a room with ambient light.



Turning on BFI will always reduce brightness , this happens to every TV from every brand not just Sony.
The only TV that has really great BFI is Sony X9000F with X-motion clarity which can restore a portion of the lost brightness onto the picture . Even then this will still reduce the brightness loss from 50% to 20% , you are still going to lose brightness on screen no matter what .

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 23 2018, 08:21 PM
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post Aug 24 2018, 09:51 PM

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sony x7000f
samsung nu7100

which 1 is better in term of PQ sir?
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post Aug 25 2018, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(logitechmouse @ Aug 24 2018, 09:51 PM)
sony x7000f
samsung nu7100

which 1 is better in term of PQ sir?
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In a bright room they are about the same , in dark or dim room the Samsung is better because it is a VA TV .
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post Aug 26 2018, 09:28 AM

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Any review on hisense tv... really cheap on those price
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Sony X7000F vs Samsung NU7100 vs LG UK630. Which one would be most recommended in terms of quality all around?
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post Aug 26 2018, 11:34 PM

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x7000f is a replacement for x7000e, right ?

Will x7000f make a proper monitor ? both gaming and movies ?
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post Aug 27 2018, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 25 2018, 08:18 PM)
In a bright room they are about the same , in dark or dim room the Samsung is better because it is a VA TV .
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ended up with sharp ua6800x rclxms.gif

brighter compared nu7100, and its a VA too biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(apowerfulskill @ Aug 26 2018, 06:50 PM)
Sony X7000F vs Samsung NU7100 vs LG UK630. Which one would be most recommended in terms of quality all around?
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Ya. I also want to know this
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QUOTE(rion5611 @ Aug 27 2018, 02:59 PM)
Ya. I also want to know this
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i took sharp 60ua6800x after comparing 55nu7100 and 55x7000f

i brought my own video to test brows.gif

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post Aug 27 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(apowerfulskill @ Aug 26 2018, 06:50 PM)
Sony X7000F vs Samsung NU7100 vs LG UK630. Which one would be most recommended in terms of quality all around?
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The LG UK6300 is an RGBW TV .


The primary difference between XF70 and NU7100 is the panel . XF70 is an IPS and NU7100 a VA

Other than that there isn't too much of a difference between the two beside the inherent pro and cons of VA & IPS

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 27 2018, 04:18 PM
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post Aug 28 2018, 12:05 AM

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Really, there's no need to be so defensive.
This is not my first TV nor my first Sony TV for me to make such a comment.
There's pros and cons in every product and a good exposure of them are what makes community discussion great.

Don't get me wrong, i like the TV for the price i paid it for. It fits my purpose of getting a large TV at lowest price.
But weakness is still weakness and i'm going to say it out loud:
Sony got the motion part so wrong they shouldn't even include it as feature if they are going to cut corner so badly.


QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM)
"Smooth" will always cause motion artifacts along with soap opera effects. Which is why most reviews tell you to turn off these settings .
If you really want to leave the motion interpolation on ,  leave it at custom and manually adjust the "smoothness" to your liking.
Visual purist and reviewers tells you to turn it off for cleaner cinematographic, i get it.
But motion settings are there for a reason: Some people do like it (hint: me), while others don't.

QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM)
You want a flawlessly smooth motion playback , you need to feed the TV HFR content .
You don't feed the TV low frame rate and expect the motion interpolation to be perfect , TV is not a miracle device.
Feeding HFR content is completely irrelevant in this case: the TV only has a 60Hz panel and interpolate only at 30fps.

QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM)
Motion interpolation will always generate artifacts regardless of brands . It is considered a bonus feature , afterall not everyone can stand the S.O effects .
Edge artifact is so prominent in this unit even in the lowest setting, it is unusable.
I don't even need a side by side comparison with my other TVs to see the prominence of edge artifact in this.

QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 14 2018, 07:01 AM)
Sony TVs always have the better picture processing and noise handling , regardless of their TV models .
Sony cut a corner so great in motion processing in low end model, its hard to agree that it is regardless of TV models.

QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM)
When I was talking about motion handling , I am referring to TV's native ability is at handling flickers and motion blurs with all the excessive motion settings OFF , Sony TV always do great in this respect. The pixels only take 7.5 milliseconds to change its colors ,  as a result motion blur effect is almost negligible for fast moving scenes .
Response time reduces ghosting. It is not picture processing.
And it is again irrelevant here given the TV only have a 60Hz panel that requires 16.67ms response time even when you maxed out the frame rate.
Not sure how are the 7.5ms response time supposed to enhance anything.

QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM)
Turning on BFI will always reduce brightness , this happens to every TV from every brand not just Sony.
The only TV that has really great BFI is Sony X9000F with X-motion clarity which can restore a portion of the lost brightness onto the picture . Even then this will still reduce the brightness loss from 50% to 20%  , you are still going to lose brightness on screen no matter what .
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Look at the ridiculously short duty cycle measured by rtings.com for X70E, i'd suspect they are just as short in X70F since they are pretty identical.
https://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/tv/sony...t-bfi-large.jpg



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