I was giving you a suggestion , one where Sony has an option to adjust the M.I ( motion interpolation ) settings . It helps to reduce motion artifacts you see generated around moving objects.

No idea how this turns into another " Different people Different Preference " defense , which you used to stray off topic & break my reply apart just for the sake of arguing. Back to you perhaps , remind me how is this relevant to what we were discussing ? I don't recall telling you to turn it off , only pointing out the fact that M.I is an option that can be adjusted / turned off ?



My advice , go look for entry level TVs from other brands before you make judgement .
You are right , Sony is cutting features from their budget TVs . But at the very least you are still getting the options for MI & BFI . Are you aware that some of the more expensive TVs don't have MI & BFI at all ?

You don't have to agree with me , it is the general consensus that Sony TVs have a better motion handling .
Perhaps not good enough for you but it is already better than some other brands .

Certain individuals tend to notice the motion flaws more than the others . Ever consider the fact that maybe you are the minority in this case ?
Sony has sold a lot of units from their 7000 series for the past few years . If the artifact problems are so severe , I am sure we would have heard of it , not just the one or two occasional ruckus from forum.



The only thing irrelevant here is this argument , all TVs at this price range are of 60hz to begin with .

A 60hz TV with 7.5 ms pixel response time will help to reduce motion blurs , ghostings and frame stutters . All of which are critical component of the motion handling process.

This specific model has a steady backlights and doesn't induce much flickers , reasonably good at processing motion 24p judders despite being a 60hz & doesn't cause noticeable stutters . All of these contribute to the overall pretty good motion performance of the TV , not just the MI artifacts.

I mentioned them because you were wondering why reviewers think Sony TVs have good motion handlings . You are only evaluating the performance from MI & BFI. How about TVs that don't have them ? Then all of the LG OLED TV from the past years must have scored a 0 in motion handling since they don't even have a BFI system .



"HFR" I mean here is higher FPS , anything higher than your typical 24p media content.

An interpolated 60 fps video can never look as good as native 60 fps content , that's what I mean.

Regardless of how advanced your M.I algorithm is , the extra frame is only a duplicate , not an actual portrayal of the moving objects . Sony 's principle is to try & keep these motion artifacts at minimal . In fact their TV often skips a frame or two to avoid causing too much artifacts on the screen.

The question is , what sort of expectation do you have for your TV ?

A large part of your complaint is base on the motion artifacts when M.I is turned on .
Throughout my life time of inspecting TVs , none of them , not even the top notch TVs can manage a perfect M.I with zero artifacts

Also a little correction, the TV interpolates 30 fps into 60 fps , not AT 30 fps.

You obviously has done some reading on rtings looking to "debunk" my replies but not enough to understand how the thing works precisely.
Ironically , rting actually rated the motion score of model you linked higher than other TVs in the similar price range.


The BFI implementation on current LED LCD displays is nowhere near perfect , they suffer a significant brightness drop or from more apparent flicker effects .

You were ranting about the brightness drop from BFI previously , which I've already explained how this is result of TV flashing its backlights to insert a black frame .

Somehow , you took this wrongly and link me a duty cycles chart from different model from different year . Yea right , that is very credible and relevant.
Do you even have any idea why does this TV of yours has shorter duty cycles to begin with ? Let me know when you figure this out (hint : the answer is not on rting )

You don't want the screen to dim , don't turn the BFI on . If you can tolerate the flickers , Samsung BFIs experience less of a brightness drop ( ~30%V) or the XF900 ( ~20%V ). Until then , please name me a TV at this price range that doesn't suffer from BFI screen dimming .






I don't see how I am being defensive , Sony doesn't pay me to say good things of their TVs . In fact I am the biggest anti - fanboism of the brands on this forum.
If you are offended by what I said , I am sorry . But here is an advice from me , you will need a little thicker skin to survive in the society.

You are paying for an entry level basic TV , you need to seriously keep your expectation in check.

Don't like the TV ? Feel free to shout out loud , that's what the forum is here for . Unlike a certain brand PR , I am not emotionally affected by your criticism .

As much as I always enjoy a good read from new TV experiences , I don't usually step in unless they've made very bold & exaggerated claims .
All of the concerns you have for the TV are valid . But they have been made hyperbole , clearly you have yet to come across many other budget TVs of the same price range.

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 28 2018, 07:27 AM

Hi, any comments on lg 49uk6320?

It's a RGBW TV .

Which one better if compare to samsung u7100 since almost the same price

grab Samsung

Hi, any comments on the Hisense 55M5010? I am considering between choosing the cheaper Hisense and the more expensive 55 in Samsung NU7100/Sont X70E/X70F.

Hi all sifu here,

Need your comment suggestion for buying a 4k tv install in living hall.

1. Philips 50" 50PUT6102S 4K Smart, RM2060
2. Sharp LC50UA6500X 4K Smart, RM1959
3. Sony KD49X7000F, RM2099
4. LG 49UK6300PTE, RM1888

the model and price above are checked from Lazada. will use the TV for watch movie, play game, youtube. which one worth to buy

thank you very much

I believe the Philips model isn't a HDR TV .

Philips doesn't care about their 4k TV market in Malaysia very much , that's why their TVs are often excluded from recommendation . Especially when this particular model is from last year , I don't know if they ever plan to bring their 2018 models to MY especially when they put most of their TV priority in the Europe market .


4k HDR-TVs in this price range show very little difference than SDR but it is nice to still have that option .
Only the #2 , #3 , #4 from your list are tagged as a 4K HDR TV .


The Sharp is VA TV but it doesn't has any M.I or BFI features , which means it isn't very ideal for watching movies since you will have no way to smooth out the judders from 24p movies on a 60 hz TV . However . not everyone will notice the judders .

The LG model is one of the brand's infamous RGBW TV , which you should avoid buying despite being a little bit cheaper .

Overall , the Sony model has the most complete set of features among the 4 at a slightly higher price tag.


Beside that , the first thing to decide when you are buying TVs is to determine your room condition , go with IPS for brighter & larger room , VA if your room is dark / dimmer .

anymore tried haier 4k tv? RM1.1k for 49"

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Sep 10 2018, 07:07 PM

The tv will be installed in living hall which is bright and larger than the room. Sony is IPS TV?? So I shd choose Sony ? Thank you

This post has been edited by hhk8484: Sep 10 2018, 09:07 PM

I just Desa Home to see these display set and compare each other. LG is out, the quality really bad if u can compare with other.

I comparing Philip and Sony now. The motion rate/processing in Philip is better, but picture quality is Sony(I think bcos of HDR). The price also Rm50 different only(Sony rm1899,philip rm1950).

Feel headache now which one to choose ...

I have the same requirement like you, looking a new tv. My current TV is Panasonic Plasma.
My budget is around 2-3k for 45-60”.

Lots of the model in the market, Toshiba Sharp Samsung Sony etc., and I don’t really know how to choose actually.
Need some advises from all sifu

What do you think is the TV with the BEST DISPLAY and not the smart tv features under RM3k

Which sony model is that, Sony KD49X7000F?

Yes

May i know which desa home currently offering that price?
Tq

I really doubt that , unless the shop owner lets you calibrate both of the TV for a side by side comparison . Beside that , any difference you see might as well be the result of different TV settings . TV shops are usually well-lit , which makes it really difficult to judge on picture quality as well.

That's why all these IPS TV look really incredible good in shop .

So in conclusion , despite of what most people telling you go to the shop , trust your eyes , blah blah blah .... what we can actually see in the shop is very limited . It is crucial to keep your expectation in check , have the basic knowledge so you don't get swayed by the salesman and end up buying an entirely different TV when it is sent to your home .

You are looking for a living room TV , so getting an IPS TV seems more ideal .
In your case , only the LG & Sony models are of IPS screen , since you have already eliminated the LG out of the two it is only logical to get the Sony one.


***I am 95% sure the Philips model of this size has a VA panel but I can still be wrong


As a ex - plasma owner , I find it really hard to adapt to the LED-LCD TV .
Most modern LED-LCDs simply can't compete with the black levels , the viewing angles and the motion clarity of Plasma .


That's why long after the death of Plasmas , some AV enthusiast are still holding onto their trustworthy Kuro
Theoretically , only the OLEDs can provide meaningful upgrades to your previous plasma but it is far more expensive than your budget allows and not available in the smaller size (<55")


On the bright side ( literally ) , modern TVs are far brighter than Plasmas and provide massive resolution upgrade to 4k and upcoming 8k , along with HDR & accessibility with most of the basic 4k streaming platforms such as Youtube , Amazon prime videos, Netflix . The HDR is also the hot topic in town so you should spend some times reading onto that .

Start by learning the pro & cons from LED-LCD types ( VA vs IPS ) and understand how practical these advantages can apply to your room.
For eg , if you are buying a fairly large TV for smaller personal rooms , the wider viewing angles will not be very useful to you.

Then look for the prices of the models and see which brands can suit your personal need best.

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 14 2018, 04:13 PM

The shop promoter move the tv and let me compare side by side...he open YouTube and Astro, but not use demo video for me to compare. I am not sure what setting in TV, but i can come out my result from what I see at there. The service really good in this shop , haha

This post has been edited by hhk8484: Sep 12 2018, 01:13 PM

Hi,

Read through the whole thread but need some confirmation on 55X7000F..
Sony
49X7000E -> IPS
55X7000E -> VA

49X7000F -> IPS
55X7000F -> VA? or IPS?

Thx.

This post has been edited by ZONX: Sep 12 2018, 03:03 PM

All sizes of XF70 seems to be IPS for now