4k tv under RM3k, Sony or Samsung or LG??
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 Aug 6 2018, 06:56 PM
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just ordered a Sony 65" X7000F for RM4050.
by far the cheapest i ever seen in Penang and i kinda have doubts on why this particular shop can manage to go so low. Anyway, set arriving tomorrow and we shall see. |
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Aug 22 2018, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 14 2018, 07:01 AM) The Nano Cell is just LG's fancy way of telling you " Our TV can show slightly better ( wider ) viewing angles than other IPS TV in the same range . I used to think Sony has the best image processing (at least from my experience of old Sony TV and online reviews)I did not notice any particular color performance improvement from these LG's TVs . Something to be noted is , the SJ800T is LG's last year mid ~ high end TV, it comes with better capabilities to process HDR content which is the hot topic in town these days. It will depend on how often you watch HDR content to justify your purchase. If not , just grab the Sony or Samsung . I suggest you go with Sony , Sony TVs always have the better picture processing and noise handling , regardless of their TV models .  However the X7000F i have has really crappy motion processing: 1) If i turn on the Motionflow to Smoothness, the artifact is so bad it is unbearable, even noticeable at the minimal settings. 2) Turning on Motionflow to Clearness which essentially is BFI, the brightness dim to less than half, to the point turning on to maximum brightness is still below viewable in a room with ambient light. My 3 years old Panasonic does a much much better motion processing job than Sony, which if i recall, isn't something Panasonic is known for. |
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Aug 28 2018, 12:05 AM
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Really, there's no need to be so defensive.
This is not my first TV nor my first Sony TV for me to make such a comment. There's pros and cons in every product and a good exposure of them are what makes community discussion great. Don't get me wrong, i like the TV for the price i paid it for. It fits my purpose of getting a large TV at lowest price. But weakness is still weakness and i'm going to say it out loud: Sony got the motion part so wrong they shouldn't even include it as feature if they are going to cut corner so badly. QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM) "Smooth" will always cause motion artifacts along with soap opera effects. Which is why most reviews tell you to turn off these settings . Visual purist and reviewers tells you to turn it off for cleaner cinematographic, i get it.If you really want to leave the motion interpolation on , leave it at custom and manually adjust the "smoothness" to your liking. But motion settings are there for a reason: Some people do like it (hint: me), while others don't. QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM) You want a flawlessly smooth motion playback , you need to feed the TV HFR content . Feeding HFR content is completely irrelevant in this case: the TV only has a 60Hz panel and interpolate only at 30fps.You don't feed the TV low frame rate and expect the motion interpolation to be perfect , TV is not a miracle device. QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM) Motion interpolation will always generate artifacts regardless of brands . It is considered a bonus feature , afterall not everyone can stand the S.O effects . Edge artifact is so prominent in this unit even in the lowest setting, it is unusable.I don't even need a side by side comparison with my other TVs to see the prominence of edge artifact in this. QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 14 2018, 07:01 AM) Sony TVs always have the better picture processing and noise handling , regardless of their TV models . Sony cut a corner so great in motion processing in low end model, its hard to agree that it is regardless of TV models.QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM) When I was talking about motion handling , I am referring to TV's native ability is at handling flickers and motion blurs with all the excessive motion settings OFF , Sony TV always do great in this respect. The pixels only take 7.5 milliseconds to change its colors , as a result motion blur effect is almost negligible for fast moving scenes . Response time reduces ghosting. It is not picture processing.And it is again irrelevant here given the TV only have a 60Hz panel that requires 16.67ms response time even when you maxed out the frame rate. Not sure how are the 7.5ms response time supposed to enhance anything. QUOTE(Convael @ Aug 22 2018, 02:05 PM) Turning on BFI will always reduce brightness , this happens to every TV from every brand not just Sony. Look at the ridiculously short duty cycle measured by rtings.com for X70E, i'd suspect they are just as short in X70F since they are pretty identical.The only TV that has really great BFI is Sony X9000F with X-motion clarity which can restore a portion of the lost brightness onto the picture . Even then this will still reduce the brightness loss from 50% to 20% , you are still going to lose brightness on screen no matter what . https://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/tv/sony...t-bfi-large.jpg |
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Oct 30 2018, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Oct 29 2018, 09:21 PM) Anyone here already bought Sony kd55x7500f ? Tested at HN, but I found out the black when the movies have the black strip upper and lower side is not black enough. any tips to blacken that area? Dim the room and lower the backlight brightness.There's nothing much you can do given that its a technical limitation. |
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