Not in 4k .

But for 1080p there are these W66 models which have a VA variant . Call Sony and ask .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 20 2019, 12:45 PM

Last time I checked , that Sharp panel has no WCG . I am not aware there are any Sharp panels produced in local has obtain any UHD alliance badges .

What you see isn't more " colorful " , it is called oversaturated .


A good display should mimic realism more closely , which is why we are moving to the HDR age right now .

When was the last time in real life you saw a tree is leaking green paints off its leaves ? ( symptom of oversaturated , unnatural colors due to narrow color gamut ) .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 24 2019, 08:11 PM

There are things which I agree with you , but you have made it sound like all these ppl who are buying 4k displays are idiots .

You are only looking at picture quality on the perspective of pixel numbers increment ( RESOLUTION ) , completely neglecting the improvement on better pixel performance (HDR) .


Picture quality is so much than just about pixels numbers upgrade , the sheer contrast and color improvement you get an actual HDR display is far more than words can describe .
The truth that matters is , great HDR experience can only be obtained via 4K and 8K device right now and that will not change any time soon .

Last time I check there hasn't been any projector that is capable of delivering a true HDR performance , yet . Not even close bro .
And there are no 1080p screen that can deliver competent HDR performance either .


Maybe you shouldn't be buying a 4K TV just for the resolution , but if you are looking for PQ upgrade a competent 4k tv is definitely a sound investment.

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 25 2019, 03:30 PM

Name one FHD TV that can do HDR .

I am not just talking about processing the signals but actually have the hardware ( brightness , colors , contrast ) to support it .
Fake HDR TVs are everywhere thesedays .


Download a couple of HDR game clips , head to best denki and ask them to demo it on the mini Light cannon Q900R . You will NEVER look at display screen the same way again .

There are also mid range HDR TV like NU8000 which is semi affordable and can still project much better PQ than traditional TV , so the budget of $3000 is not the biggest problem .

The modern 4k TV are also supporting a wider color gamut ( although not necessarily reaching 90% DCI ) , one more reason to upgrade than just having resolution increase.

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 25 2019, 07:44 PM

RDR2 has no hdr


The best showcase for HDR games from my list :


1) Call of Duty - MW 2019 ( the new King of crazy HDR effects among games )

2) God of War 4 , Forza 4 , GT sports , Horizon Zero Dawn , Assassin Creedy Origin & Odyssey .

3) Spiderman , Shadow of colosus , Days gone , Uncharted 4 .



Honorable mention : Witcher 3 , Resident Evil 2 rmk , Ratchet & Clank , Battlefield , Tetris effects.


There are more but these have left deep impression for me to remember them .


Bro , not trying to start a debate with you but you don't know much about the display field , if at all .

First of all , there is no commercial 1080p HDR TV . When I was asking you to name one , I wasn't literally doing so . I was challenging you to name one .
There are very little display screens on the market that has escape my attention .

I am aware there are several old FHD TV from Sony which claimed to support HDR but these can only digest the signal . They don't have the hardware to do it .


HDR , as the name indicated - high dynamic range are essentially major improvement on the contrast , colors and other picture qualities .
This will require more than a software update.


You first argument was all the people who bought $3K UHD TV for console gaming are idiots .
I backed that up by explaining there are more benefits than just the simple resolution upgrade , such as HDR .
And since there aren't any actual 1080p HDR , 4k is still the most sensible choice.


Your second reply is doubling down on PSVR ? uh
I don't see how virtual reality gets involved into all these . Virtual reality doesn't really improve picture quality , it does improves your immersive experience , that is completely different than the topic we're discussing on hand.

Honestly we aren't even on the same channel anymore . I am dropping this topic at once since there are no gains to be had from further discussion . And no hard feelings bro , I don't intend to start an argument with an old pal from the gaming forum .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 28 2019, 04:41 PM

It launches with a broken HDR . Patch 1.09 "fixed" it by adding in different settings , slightly less broken but it is still broken . Colors are still more muted than SDR , highlights are randomly lost and raised black levels , completely destroying the purposes of HDR .

Might as well turn it off and play the game in SDR .

Refer to here in details.



This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 29 2019, 12:27 PM

Except that is not the case here , we have something called " picture accuracy " in the AV fields , which involves a whole lot of numbers and standards where the people look up to.


For example , when we called something green , we actually have a palette and hex code name for that specific color .
There is no subjective opinions involved here , not when someone is saying yellow is green .


When things are oversaturated , it rapidly changes the atmosphere and bring side effect to the natural look of the picture , not something we want .

Without these standards , all of us would have an orange skin tone like Donald Trump on TV .

My recommendation in this thread is directly proportionate to the budget title of this topic .

It just happens that Sony is being generous this year and implemented WCG into XG70 , which makes them excellent , cheap , bang for the bucks basic 4k TV .
This contributes to an overall , more colorful HDR experience .

If you have a fairly limited budget and you want something nice but not too flashy , the Sony XG70 and Samsung's RU7400 should be in your list of consideration . IPS or VA , make your choice .

If you are looking for better upgrades , there is always NU8000 (which has probably sold out by now) , GX800 and Q6FN from last year .

After that we have the F.A.L.D TV like Samsung 's Q75R and LG's SM9000 which are much more pricey .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 31 2019, 08:44 PM

Try turning on " LED CLEAR MOTION " , the black frame insertion .

That will induce some flicker but should eliminate most of the ghostings. Some people don't notice and won't mind the flickers . Samsung has one of the best BFI in the industry.

To be honest NU8000 already has pretty good response time compare to many others . I have seen TV with pixel response up to 33 ms + , watching action scenes feel like you have gotten drunk . Won't name the brand here since they have a lot of fanbois .

When the pixel response times is too fast , slow panning scenes will appear to stutter a lot . So it is important for the brand to strike a good balance between the two.
Sony is usually the best in these aspects . Which is why sometimes buying TV is more than just looking at the hardware specs , the brand's experience in finetuning screens need to be taken into consideration too .


If you must have the best motion TV , the x8500 series are probably the best LCD option you get here in MY , aside from the ultra expensive 85" x9500G and X9000F .
As for the overall PQ , NU8000 is kicking the backside of XG85 anytime . Having a much better contrast rating and brightness does give you the better " oomph " .

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 4 2019, 04:42 PM

Not really . The response time is only 1 ms faster or so , that won't magically solve all the blurring problems .
Maybe you are just not very sensitive enough to notice it ?

It is better than NU8000 but not that much better .

If you absolutely have 0 tolerate to any motion blurs at all , those OLED TVs have insane 0.1 ms refresh rate .
New 55 " Panasonic OLEDs are on Lazada 11/11 sale for around RM4.8k .

Again , some people can't put up with the stutters from OLED screens. There really is no perfect screen afterall .



Yes but it is still limited to 60hz , the XG85 will do even better .



Motion performance can be highly subjective unless you measure it with numbers . Primarily because each person has different motion sensitivity .
Some people may notice motion blurs more so than the others , some are more sensitive to stutters .

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 4 2019, 06:35 PM

That is right , rtings calibrate their TV in pit-black room to only 100 nits (which is too dark for most people)

So if you are in typical residence , don't follow their default setting of brightness .

You still have not told us the model number . Enlighten us please .

Yes .

This is a fairly common problems with very bright LCD TV .
It is mostly a white uniformity issue which can't be helped such as vignetting , near border tinting & dark lines etc etc ... as long as it doesn't obstruct your normal viewing it should be fine . And if your screen is clear of any of these issues then grats you've won the screen lottery .


Plus this is an edge-lit Local dimming TV , it cannot control its brightness levels very effectively compare to the FALD which we often talked about in this forum like those Q900R , Q90R and Q75R .
Though lets be realistic those cost several times more .


P/S : This does not include those 16 " zones " Hisense TVs , I don't have time to get technical here but those are NOT FALD .

This post has been edited by Convael: Nov 23 2019, 06:43 PM

Samsung 55" RU8000 , Q60R , LG SM8600.


The 55 " of X7000G is VA but you should contact Sony and ask them just to be safe .


Black levels is not a concern for typical LCD TV with no local dimming , as they don't improve very much beyond what your eyes can see .

The most obvious difference still come from the panel type ( IPS / VA ) .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 4 2019, 09:24 PM

The primary difference comes from the Quantum Dot filters . Quantum Dots TV can display a wider range of color saturation ( Color Volume ) compare to the ordinary TV .


But the difference is only limited to when you are watching HDR media content .

On the basis of it being an OLED TV , absolutely .

However , you don't exactly know the usage patterns of the previous owner . You will have to choose to take his words .


It is already by the end of 2019 , so the TV would have already been used for 2-3 years .


Differential pixel aging , commonly known as burn in doesn't happen overnight.
They happen from the accumulation of abusive watching behaviors .

That is exactly why I can't recommend an used OLED display .


You may run a couple of test patterns on the TV now and then it shows no signs of burn in .

But in just a couple of weeks , you might suddenly notice a burnt mark at the corner of the screen because the previous owner has not been taking care of the TV properly.
We have already seen a number of cases like these in other forums .


It is a risk anyone will have to take if they are buying an used OLED TV , as much as the price is very attractive .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 29 2019, 02:06 PM

WCG is part of the fundamental of great HDR impact .

However , TV with low brightness is unable to display very saturated colors ( poor color volume) you see in real life which also somehow hindered the color ratings .


For eg , Samsung's NU7400 / RU7400 and Sony's X70G are both equipped with WCG .
But when it comes to showing high impact colorful and vibrant scenes they will fail at the part because it has low brightness ratings .

Just like how you will never see the shade of red of a Cola can on your TV unless it has WCG and good color volume .


NU8000 was undoubtedly the best choice for decent HDR ( but it is not a good HDR at all if we have to go by the standards but we didn't have much of a choice in MY )
An LCD TV has to be equipped with Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) to truly impress in HDR performance .

ATM the cheapest F.A.L.D TV we have is the Samsung Q75R which is still far too pricey for most people .


Good news though , I have heard from Sony they are planning to bring over their newly upgraded , much more affordable X9000H TV series in variable sizes (55,65,75,85 inches) , packed with F.A.L.D and a brightness rating of 800+ into Malaysia . Sony had given up on the LCD market and stopped bringing their X90 series into MY since 3 years ago .

Assuming they are launching with a good price , it will likely be crowned the best Mid-Range TV in MY of 2020.

I will definitely be on the lookout for the model . And kudos to Sony for implementing more premium features onto their more affordable TV in the recent years .

P/S : Sony has updated information on the TV model here

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 21 2020, 07:10 AM

Very accurate TV .

It lacks the brightness but it makes it up by rendering more precise colors and fantastic HDR Dynamic tonemapping features ( more so than any other brands )

As a result colors rendering , human skin tones look far more natural than other TVs in the same price range ( assuming you are using the correct viewing mode - cinema ) .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 21 2020, 04:36 PM

Nope , Sony said X9000H is going to be roughly the same price as X8500G as there will be no X8500H this year .
X9000H is infact going to be the successor of X8500G which is using the same X1 processor chip but with vastly upgraded F.A.L.D backlight system.

I can't say the exact price for sure but X90H is tagged as a mid-range TV , you can probably expect X90H to drop down to RM3-4k by the end of the year or even cheaper .

The prices for mid-range TVs are going to be really competent this year , with the release of smaller sizes and cheaper 49" OLEDs .


Its a FALD TV , less than RM3000 is not very likely . Maybe towards the end of the year when TVs are getting big discounts or second-hand display models .

Regardless Sony implied the price is going to be much more affordable than the higher end X9500H .

My speculation is that it will launch as the same price as X8500G , 55" for around $4000-5000 and a bigger discount towards the end of the year .

I don't know the exact date X90H is going to be available in MY but Sony usually releases their new LCD models around May-June .


Nope , I really doubt it will be getting anymore major updates .
I am always telling people to stay away from the X80 series because they are primarily seen as the " filler " between the gap of basic model X70 and X90 . You either save some money for the X70 or save up more money for NU8000 , Q75R or X85G .It is not premium enough to get any of the more advanced features ( like 120 hz refresh rate , motion X-clarity / Advanced BFI , Higher brightness ,etc etc ) , yet it is not as cheap as the baseline model X70G which has WCG this year.


Do you have other TV models in mind ? As a mid-range model it is a really good TV with no competition atm since NU8000 has sold out everywhere .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 21 2020, 08:33 PM

Get the Panasonic GX800 instead . GX800> RU8000 .