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 MRT 3 Canceled. HSR Canceled.

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post Jun 4 2018, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ Jun 4 2018, 09:50 AM)
Yes, the ridership must take into account if the volume not justify the loss will become bigger and deeper even after the HSR built. After HSR built it will definitely affect the airlines business, by that time airlines will fight back to protect their ridership by giving discount. Airline was operated by private company and HSR is operated by GLC company, both having competition sound good to consumer but in fact it hurt the economy. Private airline company may facing loss and by that time they need to cut cost or redundant employees to maintain their competitiness. Nvertheless government need to further funds for HSR to operate and this money will come from taxpayer eventually.

To me HSR is just a project of Najib who wanted to has his name on public that his effort to contribute to country regardless the cost of building it.
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Yes, im agree to build when below come real:

1. Expansion of our population is 2 or 3 times.
2. Build from JB to Thailand border, no from SG, we have RTS for SG-JB link already
3. When old technology become cheaper, we dont need super high speed maglev.
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post Jun 4 2018, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 3 2018, 11:22 AM)
Based on research available...
HSR needed ridership of 9mil passangers to be profitable...
The airplane between KL - SG is 4mil passangers only...

Just saying whistling.gif
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don't believe everything you read. profitable or not depends on what is the price of the ticket, the ticket price not confirmed yet , right?

but personally i don't think much of this HSR projek, don't think the benefit will outwiegh the cost and also the maintenance, just a gut feeling.


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post Jun 4 2018, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ Jun 4 2018, 09:50 AM)
Yes, the ridership must take into account if the volume not justify the loss will become bigger and deeper even after the HSR built. After HSR built it will definitely affect the airlines business, by that time airlines will fight back to protect their ridership by giving discount. Airline was operated by private company and HSR is operated by GLC company, both having competition sound good to consumer but in fact it hurt the economy. Private airline company may facing loss and by that time they need to cut cost or redundant employees to maintain their competitiness. Nvertheless government need to further funds for HSR to operate and this money will come from taxpayer eventually.

To me HSR is just a project of Najib who wanted to has his name on public that his effort to contribute to country regardless the cost of building it.
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No...the ONLY way politicians can loot money from gov is to carry out public projects.

They are not here to serce people. They are serving themslecez only.
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post Jun 4 2018, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:23 AM)
don't believe everything you read. profitable or not depends on what is the price of the ticket, the ticket price not confirmed yet , right?

but personally i don't think much of this HSR projek, don't think the benefit will outwiegh the cost and also the maintenance, just a gut feeling.
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actually the facilities that given to rakyat doesnt really need to be profit making one... gov have to subsidized alot anyway... just that if its at an inflated price... gov have to subsidized alot... if they cant... then your HSR ticket may be more expensive than flight ticket... haha... so wait until Msia can afford it only do it... no need to rush...
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post Jun 4 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:26 AM)
actually the facilities that given to rakyat doesnt really need to be profit making one... gov have to subsidized alot anyway... just that if its at an inflated price... gov have to subsidized alot... if they cant... then your HSR ticket may be more expensive than flight ticket... haha... so wait until Msia can afford it only do it... no need to rush...
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that's true in a way. But not ideal. that's why more developed countries privatize their infrastructure or facilities.

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post Jun 4 2018, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:27 AM)
that's true in a way. But not ideal. that's why more developed countries privatize their infrastructure or facilities.
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yea... but politician in msia... like to suck money from every possible way... privatize it might also just pass to their 'own' private company or the cronies company... in the end money never go back to rakyat... reli alot shit now to clear anyway... everyone just enjoy the show will do... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jun 4 2018, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Jun 4 2018, 08:31 AM)
From internal source; myHSR estimate profit 10% coming from tickets, rest from ads.. idk, they said so..
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Even with Ads income.. Won't cover the expenses...
But would reduced the time period of 70 years 💪
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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:23 AM)
don't believe everything you read. profitable or not depends on what is the price of the ticket, the ticket price not confirmed yet , right?

but personally i don't think much of this HSR projek, don't think the benefit will outwiegh the cost and also the maintenance, just a gut feeling.
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Price ticket is maximum at rm600... Based on the pricing.. Even with that.. Take around 70year to cope the investment...
If price of ticket lower.. Let's say RM 400 or rm300.. Then time of cope even longer 🙏
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post Jun 4 2018, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 4 2018, 11:16 AM)
Price ticket is maximum at rm600... Based on the pricing.. Even with that.. Take around 70year to cope the investment...
If price of ticket lower.. Let's say RM 400 or rm300.. Then time of cope even longer 🙏
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jialat like that 600rm i rather fly. ya ya cancel HSR la.

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post Jun 4 2018, 11:23 AM

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Many ppl do not know that actually besides HSR project, KTM is also building the ETS for Gemas-JB which is suppose to enable KL-JB ride in 3.5 hours.

If SG is willing to let ETS extend till there, it is possible to offer SG-KL non-stop express under 3 hours, with fare under RM100 and yet profitable for KTM. I think many ppl would be willing to go for train ride instead of flights if the trip is under 4 hours and it is significantly cheaper.

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post Jun 4 2018, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 4 2018, 11:20 AM)
jialat like that 600rm i rather fly. ya ya cancel HSR la.
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Actually HSR is good if we have the right population.. Let's say 80mil or 100mil...

Then I sure HSR is sustainable.... Can cover the cost & have good riderships numbers....
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 4 2018, 11:27 AM)
Actually HSR is good if we have the right population.. Let's say 80mil or 100mil...

Then I sure HSR is sustainable.... Can cover the cost & have good riderships numbers....
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By then u need more trains n routes n ll incur higher wear n tear which at the end of the day LPPL. Its nvr ending wan la. Unless 80m 100m population to sapot tis size of hsr without expansion or same maintenance cost.

For now let's focus on the current issue. 😊
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post Jun 4 2018, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 4 2018, 11:27 AM)
Actually HSR is good if we have the right population.. Let's say 80mil or 100mil...

Then I sure HSR is sustainable.... Can cover the cost & have good riderships numbers....
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based on report minimum combined population is 20mil. kl & sg is projected to have 20mil population in 2020. make more babies please.
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Jun 4 2018, 12:27 PM)
based on report minimum combined population is 20mil. kl & sg is projected to have 20mil population in 2020. make more babies please.
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Of coz tambah more babies but just sendiri local use mana cukup, must let more tourists, expat, biz trip, 2nd home pipu dan lain lain come take mah.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:30 AM)
yea... but politician in msia... like to suck money from every possible way... privatize it might also just pass to their 'own' private company or the cronies company... in the end money never go back to rakyat... reli alot shit now to clear anyway... everyone just enjoy the show will do...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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In local malaisiao sini Manyak face problem. Apa pun Mau malai machan first. Tapi Sudah Bagi mereka buat. Hanya tau rugi Makan $ hamtam shit saja. Cb* betul. Kalau tak mampu just give to other do and privatize it. Don’t tiap tiap hari hanya boleh give to malai buat saja, at the end buat Macam jialat kao lat. Macam mas airline kao lat jialat all the way at the end use tax payer money to cover up only. Cb betul.

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jun 4 2018, 05:12 PM)
In local malaisiao sini Manyak face problem. Apa pun Mau malai machan first. Tapi Sudah Bagi mereka buat. Hanya tau rugi Makan $ hamtam shit saja. Cb* betul. Kalau tak mampu just give to other do and privatize it. Don’t tiap tiap hari hanya boleh give to malai buat saja, at the end buat Macam jialat kao lat. Macam mas airline kao lat jialat all the way at the end use tax payer money to cover up only. Cb betul.
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thats why privatize pun tak guna.... haha... u see proton... funding alot... privatize already worse than before.... need sell to China only song... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Jun 4 2018, 05:18 PM)
thats why privatize pun tak guna.... haha... u see proton... funding alot... privatize already worse than before.... need sell to China only song...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Betul juga. Privatize with T&C. Malai only. This the worst part. at the end still Macam semi government, Macam Jaga Anak sahaja. Panggil Jalan pun tak tau. Wang habis buka Tanggan saja.

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Sitting mrt now. Damn syok can msg and no need to worry about jam, no need worry about accident and people die or injured and have to take out hospital utal bed, space, medication and time of surgeons, materials, surgery costs bear by government. All these u peopel fai l to realise especially those people commented to increase hospital bed and all those. What is one of the most commen cause of hospitalization in malaysia? Non other than MVA which stands for motorvrhicle injury.

Why 1st world country like UK and Usa and also japan have very low accident rate? Let gorgor tell u whyy, they dotn have sohai rempits on road, their motorcycle is greaty reduced. Public transport top notch that makes them not even want to sit in their car to drive long distances unless use it for nearby shopping lah.

and fair cheaper than petrol and tol. Haha. Rugi only no mrt3 and hsr, public transport will always benefit the people more.
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QUOTE(trust4you @ Jun 5 2018, 08:40 AM)
Sitting mrt now. Damn syok can msg and no need to worry about jam, no need worry about accident and people die or injured and have to take out hospital utal bed, space, medication and time of surgeons, materials, surgery costs bear by government. All these u peopel fai l to realise especially those people commented to increase hospital bed and all those. What is one of  the most commen cause of hospitalization in malaysia? Non other than MVA which stands for motorvrhicle injury.

Why 1st world country like UK and Usa and also japan have very low  accident rate? Let gorgor tell u whyy, they dotn have sohai rempits on road, their motorcycle is greaty reduced. Public transport top notch that makes them not  even want to sit in their car to drive long distances  unless use it for nearby shopping lah.

and fair cheaper than petrol and tol. Haha. Rugi only no mrt3 and hsr, public transport will always  benefit the people more.
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So in your opinion why still not many people taking and using the current completed MRT line 1?
Why the ridership cannot match with LRT?

Coz is not going to hotspot area?
Or the ticket price is too expensive?
Or it is not as convenience as using LRT?

I wander why actually. Best technology, quicker compare to LRT but yet still perform worse than LRT in term of ridership volume.
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post Jun 5 2018, 08:48 AM

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MRT3 will be back after a break of few years, we need it more badly after 2020.

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