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 MRT 3 Canceled. HSR Canceled.

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post Jun 3 2018, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(leagan @ Jun 3 2018, 08:24 AM)
in short infra itself it not the money generator but is to bring convenient and for stimulate development. Sad to see many do not aware what mean by infra
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Correct koret. Too narrow minded if only want to see hsr to generate money itself. It is also to stimulate the development and business opportunity. Also may create many local geniuses related/ indirect related in this field. Create a potential opportunity out from this. When pipu earn more then only can pay higher tax.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 3 2018, 11:27 AM)
Agreed...
Hospital should be the top..
Many places lack of beds... Too many people.. Long waiting hours... Better spend on upgrading & building hospitals...
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Prevent is always better than sakit until masuk hospital.
With this so many rakyat hospital Low fee for rakyat. where is the money come from. Is this Enough pay to the doctor nurse and the mantainance? At the end from Tax payer $ also.

It is good to start edu pipu to live healthy. Always better to prevent than until something get worse.

We already 1 of the fattest nation in south east Asia liao. As you know this lead to the start of many diseases.

If want more hospital bed also need to have good healthy and growing economy then can get more tax to support it mah.

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QUOTE(leagan @ Jun 3 2018, 08:22 AM)
i can only use one term to describe this - short sight
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😂. .. 👍 short sight until bang head.
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post Jun 3 2018, 05:09 PM

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So many comments for this cancellation work.

All I can say is there's no right or wrong.
Let's see where our country is heading after this.
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post Jun 3 2018, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(jimmyng @ Jun 3 2018, 05:09 PM)
So many comments for this cancellation work.

All I can say is there's no right or wrong.
Let's see where our country is heading after this.
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Because many have vested interest...
Cancelled means their investment losses....
They invest on speculation / location of the station...
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post Jun 3 2018, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(leagan @ Jun 3 2018, 08:22 AM)
i can only use one term to describe this - short sight
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Tell that to Tun M,
Lim guang eng(tony pua and ong kian ming)
Anthony loke

These are short sighted ppl that u voted for..correct? laugh.gif

Oh the last time i check..

Despite hsr cancellation, lrt 3 ongoing..mrt 2 on going..JB -Sing rts link still on...but hey...they are well short sighted..
Right




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post Jun 3 2018, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jun 3 2018, 02:12 PM)
Prevent is always better than sakit until masuk hospital.
With this so many rakyat hospital Low fee for rakyat. where is the money come from. Is this Enough pay to the doctor nurse and the mantainance? At the end from Tax payer $ also.

It is good to start edu pipu to live healthy. Always better to prevent than until something get worse.

We already 1 of the fattest nation in south east Asia liao. As you know this lead to the start of many diseases.

If want more hospital bed also need to have good healthy and growing economy then can get more tax to support it mah.
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Sakit sebab obesiti? Ohhh tumours...cancel..heart failure...pregnant ladies....ni bukan sakit...
They all purposely get it. Their fault..not mine..rite?

ni sebab makan..salah makan la ni...

Sarrahan malaysian...obesity is the mother of all!!
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post Jun 3 2018, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 3 2018, 05:56 PM)
Because many have vested interest...
Cancelled means their investment losses....
They invest on speculation / location of the station...
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On the other hand, those that support cancellation also might have selfish intentions

- they bought properties along MRT 1 or 2 and now hopes MRT 3 is scrapped so they hope their props are more scarce smile.gif

- they do not stay in KV and so MRTs do not benefit them at all

- those still waiting to buy properties or have sold and now hope property market will stay down aka property overhang smile.gif

I am fine either way, though I prefer MRT 3 to be built just because I want KV to be more canggih...

Oh well, another rambling ...
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post Jun 3 2018, 07:16 PM

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HSR improves connectivity. It is wise to build, but then again maybe government reviewed the cost and think that it is overpriced. Hopefully in the near future we can have our own HSR. It should benefit the country a lot.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jun 3 2018, 06:12 PM)
Sakit sebab obesiti? Ohhh tumours...cancel..heart failure...pregnant ladies....ni bukan sakit...
They all purposely get it. Their fault..not mine..rite?

ni sebab makan..salah makan la ni...

Sarrahan malaysian...obesity is the mother of all!!
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wakakaka biggrin.gif . sakit macam macam pun ada. no need to draw until intestine also draw out. wink.gif

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QUOTE(raw7118 @ Jun 3 2018, 07:16 PM)
HSR improves connectivity. It is wise to build, but then again maybe government reviewed the cost and think that it is overpriced. Hopefully in the near future we can have our own HSR. It should benefit the country a lot.
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what to do rolleyes.gif ... review the cost dulu and see how it goes liao laugh.gif hopefully the review cost can kaotim fast fast and give final answer thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 3 2018, 06:45 PM)
On the other hand, those that support cancellation also might have selfish intentions

- they bought properties along MRT 1 or 2 and now hopes MRT 3 is scrapped so they hope their props are more scarce smile.gif

- they do not stay in KV and so MRTs do not benefit them at all

- those still waiting to buy properties or have sold and now hope property market will stay down aka property overhang smile.gif

I am fine either way, though I prefer MRT 3 to be built just because I want KV to be more canggih...

Oh well, another rambling ...
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MRT 3 and hsr may be beneficial but not at inflated price. The only way to remove donation to umno politicians is to cancel the project and call for a tender later.

Rakyat could withstand a few years of delay without major detrimental effect on economy. Those have vested interest took a bet on speculation.
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post Jun 4 2018, 01:34 AM

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Kesian those people that bought or invest throughout met3 and hsr line of route.. but then, apa boleh buat. Settling DEBT is the utmost concern now..


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post Jun 4 2018, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 3 2018, 06:45 PM)
On the other hand, those that support cancellation also might have selfish intentions

- they bought properties along MRT 1 or 2 and now hopes MRT 3 is scrapped so they hope their props are more scarce smile.gif

- they do not stay in KV and so MRTs do not benefit them at all

- those still waiting to buy properties or have sold and now hope property market will stay down aka property overhang smile.gif

I am fine either way, though I prefer MRT 3 to be built just because I want KV to be more canggih...

Oh well, another rambling ...
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Valid point...
But development needed to be spread out whole of Malaysia too... Cannot just focus on KV only...

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QUOTE(raw7118 @ Jun 3 2018, 07:16 PM)
HSR improves connectivity. It is wise to build, but then again maybe government reviewed the cost and think that it is overpriced. Hopefully in the near future we can have our own HSR. It should benefit the country a lot.
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Well its all about ridership numbers & ticket cost...
Its said that, in order to break even.. Ridership needed to be 9mil passengers... But problems is... Even the numbers for KL-SG flights is around 4mil passengers only...
Another reason is cost to build the HSR...
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 3 2018, 11:22 AM)
Based on research available...
HSR needed ridership of 9mil passangers to be profitable...
The airplane between KL - SG is 4mil passangers only...

Just saying whistling.gif
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From internal source; myHSR estimate profit 10% coming from tickets, rest from ads.. idk, they said so..
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The cost of HSR is too high and not suit for current economy situation. In fact there was debate that why should we need HSR since the airfare cost about RM100 one way for budget airline.

Taiwan high speed rail from Taoyuan (north) to Kaohsiung (south) total distance about 350km, it takes 90 minutes to arrive and cost approximately RM150 one way.

S. Korea KTX Seoul to Busan about 320km and it takes about 180 minutes, 1 way ticket prie is about RM200.

KL - SG HSR is approximately 350km, if the charges is similar to Taiwan it will be RM150 one way. Btw in Taiwan year 2014 the ridership reach 130,000 daily but still much below their 2008 forecast daily 240,000 or about 54% only. If reach optimum of ridership as forecasted the operator may merely breakeven or make 10-20% profit, below this figure they are making loss.
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all complain about no infra developments in the country... duke 2, DASH, suke, lrt 3, mrt 2 and some other expressway projects also still running ma... why all say until like the country currently have ZERO infra projects like that...?? macam ini pun can argue for pages ka.... really bantai for the sake of bantai...
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Jun 4 2018, 09:39 AM)
The cost of HSR is too high and not suit for current economy situation. In fact there was debate that why should we need HSR since the airfare cost about RM100 one way for budget airline.

Taiwan high speed rail from Taoyuan (north) to Kaohsiung (south) total distance about 350km, it takes 90 minutes to arrive and cost approximately RM150 one way.

S. Korea KTX Seoul to Busan about 320km and it takes about 180 minutes, 1 way ticket prie is about RM200.

KL - SG HSR is approximately 350km, if the charges is similar to Taiwan it will be RM150 one way. Btw in Taiwan year 2014 the ridership reach 130,000 daily but still much below their 2008 forecast daily 240,000 or about 54% only. If reach optimum of ridership as forecasted the operator may merely breakeven or make 10-20% profit, below this figure they are making loss.
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exactly, those people said current gov short sighted. but never count in operational cost and maintenance.... who going to bear that.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 4 2018, 08:06 AM)
Well its all about ridership numbers & ticket cost...
Its said that, in order to break even.. Ridership needed to be 9mil passengers... But problems is... Even the numbers for KL-SG flights is around 4mil passengers only...
Another reason is cost to build the HSR...
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Yes, the ridership must take into account if the volume not justify the loss will become bigger and deeper even after the HSR built. After HSR built it will definitely affect the airlines business, by that time airlines will fight back to protect their ridership by giving discount. Airline was operated by private company and HSR is operated by GLC company, both having competition sound good to consumer but in fact it hurt the economy. Private airline company may facing loss and by that time they need to cut cost or redundant employees to maintain their competitiness. Nvertheless government need to further funds for HSR to operate and this money will come from taxpayer eventually.

To me HSR is just a project of Najib who wanted to has his name on public that his effort to contribute to country regardless the cost of building it.

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