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 MRT 3 Canceled. HSR Canceled.

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aaron1717
post May 31 2018, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ May 31 2018, 08:59 AM)
MRT3 is supposed to be the Yamanote line in Tokyo, the final piece of the puzzle as mentioned by our friend. Without it the whole MRT project has no value, just like you reserve the best event as finale.

No issues scrapping the big ones like HSR, but scrapping MRT3 is a wrong move. We need this to push us towards developed city status. Dr M mentioned in the press conference we do not need HSR  as we are considered near to Singapore, and to focus improving our local rail services, so why scrap MRT3?

Our prime minister is being over conservative? Or it's just for the sake of showing us he is doing his job?
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are u seriously totally ignore the debt level of our country and the big hole from 1mdb and just choose what you wanna see....? mrt3, hsr and ercl will be beneficial for the long term... the returns will take long long time to come back... but far away water cant save the fire thats burning in front of your face bro (your country's crazy current debt)....
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post Jun 1 2018, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 1 2018, 03:04 PM)
Actually, I am very surprised got so many people object to MRT. I think Malaysia is the only country that protests building of roads and MRTs. MRT bring convenience right? Gives an option right? If u like to drive, then dun use. Let others have a choice to use. Reduce congestion. Only when the national debt is used indiscriminately like building white elephants, then u must be wary of national debt. MRT is useful infra. It is not a waste. We will reap long term benefits way beyond ticket sales or cost of building.

I thought just a few years ago, people always complain so many cars causing bad congestion? At that time, keep saying government did not improve public transportation. Now?

This is called 人云亦云.
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i think u mis und the whole situation... if the project is supported by domestic loan and fully built using msia resource and with reasonable cost... I am ok with it...

but if u gonna be using foreign debt and inflated project price... then no... i duwan my cucu cicit have to pay high GST, high income tax and pay high ticket cost just for the sake of seeing the mrt completed now... restructure and rearrange it... then i welcome the project again
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post Jun 1 2018, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 1 2018, 04:40 PM)
I am also not ok with inflated price. Then, no need to cancel. Just redo by open tender.
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i think scrap is the word tun M use to scare off the cronies sekalian... when given time enough... i'm sure mrt 3 will come back.. be patience bro... now we are just in day 23 of the new gov.... thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif
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post Jun 1 2018, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 1 2018, 03:06 PM)
Slightly longer than Kul - Sin only but under sea tunnel. Damn canggih! But inside train cannot feel la... lol
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the china HSR also very fast and steady... if not because of the locals have alot of body odor or different odor... i think it will be a very good experience in term of efficiency and technology.... too bad here too much cronyism spoiled everything.... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Jun 1 2018, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 1 2018, 04:59 PM)
Ya, it's amazing the turn of events in May 2018. 9th May election..1st June, GST scrapped! Now, that's efficiency!..but whether GST should maintain or not is another story..
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it should be maintain but with more enforcement... dont only perform inspection on the final goods price...should see whether there are alot of mark up implemented in the process as well... but too bad... najib era not really bothered with this... he get his cash required to pay debt he is satisfied... rakyat gi mampos la...
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post Jun 1 2018, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jun 1 2018, 05:02 PM)
domestic loan can give lower interest than foreign loan? hmm.gif
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boss... high or low... the money also circling in the country ma rather than yik outside... the bank gotten their interest income... and gov tax back them... one cycle laugh.gif laugh.gif

otherwise if they can restructure the china loan to be repaid upon the breakeven of the project... i also angkat kaki sapot... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Jun 1 2018, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 1 2018, 05:16 PM)
Do you know just quoting figures like that is meaningless? Is 33k debt per capita a lot? What if I tell you Singapore debt per capita is triple that? What if I tell you that actually their assets per capita more than debt per capita and so they are ok? You must look at the whole picture lah. I have to admit Malaysia is in net debt position and is spending a lot on interest payments. That is why I also think GST should not have been scrapped. Then plug the holes, cut expenditure, total reform on cronyism etc but does not mean useful infra spending need to be cut totally. All these things can implement concurrently. If all mega project stop, the economy is going to grind to a halt eventually. The construction/infra industry needs project to survive also.
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yup... we still have infra like duke 2, DASH, suke, mrt line 2, lrt line 3 still running and progressing bro... so we are not down to zero now... ERCL also renegotiating for better term but will go on... so everyone take a chill pill yea.... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jun 1 2018, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jun 1 2018, 05:20 PM)
Malaisiao debt rate 60%---- Greece debt rate 190%----- Japan debt rate 240%  sweat.gif

Japan fall liao?
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on a fundamental term... japan economic is way ahead of greece and msia as well... their footing is strong... which is their manufacturing activity... msia manufacturing activity seems to be stagnant after pak lah taken over.... every resources throw to mega projects and building fast infra with fast debt....
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post Jun 1 2018, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jun 1 2018, 05:43 PM)
if debt for built infra, still ok. rakyat, foreigner or tourist can use and can use generate income also create unforeseen indirect biz opportunities.  biggrin.gif
with sibeh good infra, many visitor, toursit and investor come help boost the economy. actually among south east asia, manyak foreign country like malaisiao due to stable political environment, almost 0% terrorist attack (tak macam thai or indo). malaisiao also last year got chosen 1 of the most stable country after Philippine if recession hit. Philippine is no.1 in whole south east asia. oh singland also in the list but forget in what ranking liao maybe singland is no.1?

No pray play now malasiao even far ahead than taiwan liao. this said by taiwanese themselve some more.  biggrin.gif
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yeap... its about the terms and price only... haha... if restructured nicely already... i angkat kaki sapot also.... laugh.gif laugh.gif we have to see how much corruption element in the project first... it will be perfect if we have infra and no need eat the debt with such a big hole inside...
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post Jun 1 2018, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 1 2018, 06:07 PM)
since we on the topic, wondering those who r familiar.. so far..  LRT got breakdown or not?
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i think alot of times... when i drive to office.. if that day is super duper jam... 80% chances i will see fb ppl share lrt breakdown... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jun 1 2018, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 1 2018, 06:38 PM)
so got break down lah.

hence, i'm thinking when mrt will start to breakdown also.

and imagine, spend 100b on HSR, then the train breakdown.

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https://discoverkl.com/2016/09/09/lrt-breakdown/

this the most famous breakdown.... train to KL... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jun 4 2018, 09:44 AM

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all complain about no infra developments in the country... duke 2, DASH, suke, lrt 3, mrt 2 and some other expressway projects also still running ma... why all say until like the country currently have ZERO infra projects like that...?? macam ini pun can argue for pages ka.... really bantai for the sake of bantai...
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post Jun 4 2018, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:23 AM)
don't believe everything you read. profitable or not depends on what is the price of the ticket, the ticket price not confirmed yet , right?

but personally i don't think much of this HSR projek, don't think the benefit will outwiegh the cost and also the maintenance, just a gut feeling.
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actually the facilities that given to rakyat doesnt really need to be profit making one... gov have to subsidized alot anyway... just that if its at an inflated price... gov have to subsidized alot... if they cant... then your HSR ticket may be more expensive than flight ticket... haha... so wait until Msia can afford it only do it... no need to rush...
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post Jun 4 2018, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Jun 4 2018, 10:27 AM)
that's true in a way. But not ideal. that's why more developed countries privatize their infrastructure or facilities.
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yea... but politician in msia... like to suck money from every possible way... privatize it might also just pass to their 'own' private company or the cronies company... in the end money never go back to rakyat... reli alot shit now to clear anyway... everyone just enjoy the show will do... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jun 4 2018, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jun 4 2018, 05:12 PM)
In local malaisiao sini Manyak face problem. Apa pun Mau malai machan first. Tapi Sudah Bagi mereka buat. Hanya tau rugi Makan $ hamtam shit saja. Cb* betul. Kalau tak mampu just give to other do and privatize it. Don’t tiap tiap hari hanya boleh give to malai buat saja, at the end buat Macam jialat kao lat. Macam mas airline kao lat jialat all the way at the end use tax payer money to cover up only. Cb betul.
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thats why privatize pun tak guna.... haha... u see proton... funding alot... privatize already worse than before.... need sell to China only song... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jun 5 2018, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(trust4you @ Jun 5 2018, 08:40 AM)
Sitting mrt now. Damn syok can msg and no need to worry about jam, no need worry about accident and people die or injured and have to take out hospital utal bed, space, medication and time of surgeons, materials, surgery costs bear by government. All these u peopel fai l to realise especially those people commented to increase hospital bed and all those. What is one of  the most commen cause of hospitalization in malaysia? Non other than MVA which stands for motorvrhicle injury.

Why 1st world country like UK and Usa and also japan have very low  accident rate? Let gorgor tell u whyy, they dotn have sohai rempits on road, their motorcycle is greaty reduced. Public transport top notch that makes them not  even want to sit in their car to drive long distances  unless use it for nearby shopping lah.

and fair cheaper than petrol and tol. Haha. Rugi only no mrt3 and hsr, public transport will always  benefit the people more.
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all these paper talks... talk song jiu hao liao lo... in the end the truth is even with mrt 3 or HSR... our public transportation connection still nowhere as near to completion than any other mrt/lrt connected countries... plus our weather... in msia... still have to build alot of park n ride facility... once u have the chance drive out the car... u have a choice already... when u feel the weather is hot or raining heavily... immediately choose to drive the car to your destination and join the jam...

public transportation is important and benefiting if the plan is correct... but currently alot of areas not connected.... alot stations for cronies and party with private benefits.... most of these stations not much ridership somemore... haha
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post Jun 5 2018, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jun 5 2018, 08:47 AM)
So in your opinion why still not many people taking and using the current completed MRT line 1?
Why the ridership cannot match with LRT?

Coz is not going to hotspot area?
Or the ticket price is too expensive?
Or it is not as convenience as using LRT?

I wander why actually. Best technology, quicker compare to LRT but yet still perform worse than LRT in term of ridership volume.
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bagi time le bro... LRT first few years also not high volume ma... bukan ke... that time alot ppl still prefer to take bus from their nearby bus stop... until jam getting unbearable... LRT only getting more ridership... last time during primary skul to secondary skul... everyday took public bus to school... the roads during peak hours also not as jam as currently....
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post Jun 5 2018, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(loongchai @ Jun 5 2018, 09:51 AM)
Firstly, I use the MRT1 to get to my workplace on a daily basis; 10 minutes walk plus 20 minutes ride plus 10 minutes walk). Before the MRT1 was completed, I had to drive to work, usually for about 1 to 2 hours, depending on the traffic. The daily parking fee is about RM12. After factoring petrol, parking and car maintenance cost, the MRT1 saves me a lot of money and time.

The weather in Malaysia is not a big contributing factor for the low MRT1 ridership. If Singapore can do it, why not us?  The crime rate on the streets is my the main concern. Hopefully the new government and police can reduce the crime rate on our streets.

More interchange stations must be built to increase ridership. Without MRT3 circle line or equivalent, MRT1 and MRT2 will not be able to achieve its full potential or ridership and it will likely be a "white elephant" costing the country millions per month.

I don't care if the government reviews or postpones or realigns the MRT3, but please do not cancel it. Emulating the public transport system in more advanced cities in Japan, Korea, Singapore or European countries is the way forward.
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yea... this is definitely... in the end what i mean is that... make a plan that benefit the rakyat the most... improve the factors that can contribute to higher ridership... i think its better to not compare ourselves against singapore also... our klang valley now is so messy and unconnected... and there is no control on cars enter to city and also the pricing of cars contributed alot to their success... i dont think the same can be done for klang valley...

but if emulate the mentality of japan or south korea... thats the best way forward for us... their cars still running freely on the roads... but ridership also super high volume... i think this is wad KV should aimed to be....
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post Jun 5 2018, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Jun 5 2018, 11:11 AM)
In Seoul Korea, the traffic quite bad after the working hours almost same like KL
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yeah... but the ridership also very good in their mrt lines... when i travelled there... despite there are jam on the roads... but the mrt still packed like sardine after working hours...

 

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