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 MRT 3 Canceled. HSR Canceled.

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autodriver
post Jun 4 2018, 09:39 AM

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The cost of HSR is too high and not suit for current economy situation. In fact there was debate that why should we need HSR since the airfare cost about RM100 one way for budget airline.

Taiwan high speed rail from Taoyuan (north) to Kaohsiung (south) total distance about 350km, it takes 90 minutes to arrive and cost approximately RM150 one way.

S. Korea KTX Seoul to Busan about 320km and it takes about 180 minutes, 1 way ticket prie is about RM200.

KL - SG HSR is approximately 350km, if the charges is similar to Taiwan it will be RM150 one way. Btw in Taiwan year 2014 the ridership reach 130,000 daily but still much below their 2008 forecast daily 240,000 or about 54% only. If reach optimum of ridership as forecasted the operator may merely breakeven or make 10-20% profit, below this figure they are making loss.
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post Jun 4 2018, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 4 2018, 08:06 AM)
Well its all about ridership numbers & ticket cost...
Its said that, in order to break even.. Ridership needed to be 9mil passengers... But problems is... Even the numbers for KL-SG flights is around 4mil passengers only...
Another reason is cost to build the HSR...
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Yes, the ridership must take into account if the volume not justify the loss will become bigger and deeper even after the HSR built. After HSR built it will definitely affect the airlines business, by that time airlines will fight back to protect their ridership by giving discount. Airline was operated by private company and HSR is operated by GLC company, both having competition sound good to consumer but in fact it hurt the economy. Private airline company may facing loss and by that time they need to cut cost or redundant employees to maintain their competitiness. Nvertheless government need to further funds for HSR to operate and this money will come from taxpayer eventually.

To me HSR is just a project of Najib who wanted to has his name on public that his effort to contribute to country regardless the cost of building it.
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post Jun 5 2018, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(trust4you @ Jun 5 2018, 08:40 AM)
Sitting mrt now. Damn syok can msg and no need to worry about jam, no need worry about accident and people die or injured and have to take out hospital utal bed, space, medication and time of surgeons, materials, surgery costs bear by government. All these u peopel fai l to realise especially those people commented to increase hospital bed and all those. What is one of  the most commen cause of hospitalization in malaysia? Non other than MVA which stands for motorvrhicle injury.

Why 1st world country like UK and Usa and also japan have very low  accident rate? Let gorgor tell u whyy, they dotn have sohai rempits on road, their motorcycle is greaty reduced. Public transport top notch that makes them not  even want to sit in their car to drive long distances  unless use it for nearby shopping lah.

and fair cheaper than petrol and tol. Haha. Rugi only no mrt3 and hsr, public transport will always  benefit the people more.
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MRT3 is a regret but not for HSR coz we can take flight from KL to JB or SG with lower cost. Malaysia budget airlines airfare is affordable to travel around peninsular.

Most of the citizens of Malaysia still have the mindset of "owning" car even though they do not need it. One of the top priority wishes of fresh graduate when they enter society is get a job and then "buy car". Those who already have a car to commute to university or college, after graduate they would "upgrade" their level to better car. There are many parents afraid their children find it hard to study, therefore during study time they bought children a car and pay for their petrol and toll as well. Why schooling time they not use to taking pubic transport, after graduate they will definitely won't take public transport.

In fact the public buses are around and cover most of the Klang Valley areas but there are many adults feel "shame" of taking public transport to work especially for male. There are many people who are office based workers do not need to drive to work, when reach office the car is parking at basement till they finish work. I guess at least 50% private cars in Malaysia are under utilized where people are paying a depreciate asset and yet not fully utilize it, which mean it is further loss.

This culture must change and this must start on educate the young generation to take public transport.
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post Jun 5 2018, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(loongchai @ Jun 5 2018, 09:51 AM)
Firstly, I use the MRT1 to get to my workplace on a daily basis; 10 minutes walk plus 20 minutes ride plus 10 minutes walk). Before the MRT1 was completed, I had to drive to work, usually for about 1 to 2 hours, depending on the traffic. The daily parking fee is about RM12. After factoring petrol, parking and car maintenance cost, the MRT1 saves me a lot of money and time.

The weather in Malaysia is not a big contributing factor for the low MRT1 ridership. If Singapore can do it, why not us?  The crime rate on the streets is my the main concern. Hopefully the new government and police can reduce the crime rate on our streets.

More interchange stations must be built to increase ridership. Without MRT3 circle line or equivalent, MRT1 and MRT2 will not be able to achieve its full potential or ridership and it will likely be a "white elephant" costing the country millions per month.

I don't care if the government reviews or postpones or realigns the MRT3, but please do not cancel it. Emulating the public transport system in more advanced cities in Japan, Korea, Singapore or European countries is the way forward.
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I agree that using public transport will definitely save lots of money and also time to travel to work. It is true the crime rate is one of the most concern of people who taking public transport. There is a robbery case where I have a friend his neighbour's daugther die after being attack when she walked out of the train station. Some of the train stations are located in quiet place where during off peak time there were very few people around the station and the walking distance to the nearest bus stop will take 5-10 minutes walk. For example like KTM station Wahyu, Batu Kentonmen, or Batu Caves, during non-peak hour time it feel not safe to walk from outside to the station. Hope the new government will enhance the safety to encourage public to use public transport.

It is true that the MRT3 circle line will help to increase ridership, but with current economy situation the new government may have to delay the project and recover the debt first. Hopefully the MRT3 or equivalent connection between the MRT1 and 2 will resume after couple of years.

 

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