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 Microsoft Banned Modded Console Connect To Live!, Time to buy core unit for Live.

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post May 19 2007, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(hyperweb @ May 19 2007, 10:46 PM)
increase by RM120?  how do you arrive at that?

If my calculation is correct, if i assume you use the xbox 360 for 48 hrs, the
cost will be 48hr x 0.2kW  x RM0.3  =  RM2.88

if you are a hardcore, and turns on the xbox 360 for 18hrs a day, in a month you will have accumulatd 18 x 30 = 540 hrs. So assuming the worst case:

540hr x 0.2kW x RM0.3 =  RM32.40

So RM120 is a bit too off.  Maybe TN 'miscalculated'
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QUOTE(adli @ May 19 2007, 08:47 PM)
takpe lah nak buat camne, aku main yahoo pool tiap2 malam aje la macam nih.... boo hoo!
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QUOTE(icekepal @ May 20 2007, 05:12 AM)
hmm takkan ps3 pun dah modd??hehe and then wii pun bleh main hehe
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Not to mention, the notion that some people seem to have, that this will not result in a financial loss to Microsoft are coming from people who clearly are not only 'not modders'; but they are clearly comments from people who have no clue about console modding, or the community or environment created by modders.  Lets just set the cheating aspect aside for a moment, cheating in a game just ruins it, even for the cheater although they may not realize that.

The idea that somehow banning a game console from online play will improve Microsoft's income is absolute sheer nonsense.  First,let me repeat what is a clear fact; someone who has a modded box and cant play online even with a legitimate disk is not going to have any good reason to purchase legitimate disks if they have cheaper pirated versions available, so that is all they will purchase.

Secondly, anyone who is banned from online play will not be paying for online play.

Thirdly, clearly, anyone who was considering the purchase of an Xbox largely due to the fact they were interested in modding it is not likely to purchase an Xbox if they figure a modded box won't play online, there fore they wont buy the hardware and they wont purchase any games legitimate or otherwise.

Fourthly, any person who gets banned by accident by this method and who is using a stock console may just be pissed enough to stop buying Xbox games (they obviously wont be paying for online gaming if they are banned) and statistics have shown over and over that unsatisfactory experiences with a business are communicated to friends and acquaintances 10 times as often as satisfactory experiences, so alot of people will hear negative things for every accidental banning.  Probably for alot of justified banning as well.  Lets put it this way, Microsoft is going to get alot of very negative spoken word advertising on this one way or the other.

And fifth, the hackers will likely make some kind of new mod chip within months, or even weeks that will allow pirated games to be played online again so its all simply a big waste of time.

So all this nonsense talk about patting each other on the back and congratulating MS for stopping the pirates, forget it.  The only reason they are even doing it is because they bought into some clowns story that it could be accomplished, they wish it could work so they believe it will work.  And they end up paying some clown who convinced them he could somehow stop piracy.

I'll tell you how to stop piracy.  Real quick.  Put games and software on cartridges...Opps! Forgot! Cartridges cost way way more to actually manufacture then a cheap plastic CD or DVD.  And thats no good because it would cut into profit margins!


THINK ABOUT THIS SCENENARIO...

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Too many people in here that like to steal then complain that Microsoft is not supporting them.  Get real you thieves, you choose to steal a game don't come crying to Microsoft about how it's not fair.  Then you want to cry how you can't get online, that's right.  You mod your Xbox 360 you will be banned on Xbox Live.

For those crying saying Microsoft should drop price on games, another big joke.  The majority of you that are pirating games would still steal them even if the games were $1 or 50 cents, because people like you have absolutely no morals whatsoever and enjoy stealing from people.  Hey how's this for an idea, I'll tell your workplace that they should pay you half what they are paying you now because you don't really need all that money you are making since you steal everything you 'own'.  Sounds fair right?  Oh I guess when someone takes from you it's all a different story right?  Don't use the lame excuse, that companies make millions so it's a drop in teh bucket argument, its really tired.  You are all HYPROCRITS.

Those that are saying they will buy a PS3.  No one really cares, go buy a PS3.  Microsoft is not going to really worry about a small number of thieves going to the competition.  The reality is you are too poor to afford to buy games on the Xbox 360 but you want to threaten that you will buy a $600 console and the games for it.  Even if you did - again no one cares, you are nobody to worry about.  The pirates are a handful of idiots that are to be consider pariahs and should be flushed down the toilet with the rest of the sewage.

Microsoft did the right thing here, they banned the idiot SKRIPT-KIDDIES from Live and made Live a much better place for people that don't need a handout and are too poor to afford games.  Go buy a PS3 and go steal their games, no one wants you here.  Don't let the LIVE disconnect door hit you in the a$$ AGAIN.
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To PG4

Do you

a)own mp3's that you have not paid for, nor "backed up" from the original cd

b)buy ur operating system

c)running legit software suites like ms office

we all know 99% of everyone who uses the internet has mp3s that they didnt "back up", so spare us with the moral talk
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Mayat...but how the game developers going to recover their investment ... as xbox 360 gaming market is considered very minimal if compared to the volume of Windows or even the entertainment market...
And...as always..we all expect a spectacular release for any new xbox 360 games in the market....and I dont think they are willing to do it for free or at losses.....
Even, xbox 360 r sold at losses at initial phase....and I believe the product life cycle for this product will not be more than 5 years...so another more money to be invested for a new gaming console.....this economic structure is not applicable at all if compared with the Windows and Entertainment market....People will keep buying the OS and original music....and thiose same people will either buying PS3 or not buying any gaming console at all.....Think about it.... icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(silencer @ May 20 2007, 08:59 AM)
Mayat...but how the game developers going to recover their investment ... as xbox 360 gaming market is considered very minimal if compared to the volume of Windows or even the entertainment market...
And...as always..we all expect a spectacular release for any new xbox 360 games in the market....and I dont think they are willing to do it for free or at losses.....
Even, xbox 360 r sold at losses at initial phase....and I believe the product life cycle for this product will not be more than 5 years...so another more money to be invested for a new gaming console.....this economic structure is not applicable at all if compared with the Windows and Entertainment market....People will keep buying the OS and original music....and thiose same people will either buying PS3 or not buying any gaming console at all.....Think about it.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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That's y.....M$ should launch official Xbox360 in Malaysia as they did in China. They sold the ori game in china market so cheap...bcoz they want to stop those piracy things...y that capitalism M$ cant do this in Malaysia......ooohhh come on 60 SD is not the same as RM50...they pinned us so bad...they should have the strategy on how to tackle the consumer...but yet they failed...enuf with the defect product...wut they did are taking the advantage on us...oh come on just launch it in malaysia and we will have a better consumer rights...they lauched it in all IT/ICT asian countries such as japan, korea,india,singapore and even china....dun we have our cyberjaya which M$ invest where so called their "2nd Silicon Valley" in asian region....sssighhh M$ capitalism at its best... cry.gif cry.gif flex.gif flex.gif


Added on May 20, 2007, 9:40 amAND THINK... HOW ABOUT THIS IF ITS GONNA HAPPEN???
QUOTE(madmoz @ May 19 2007, 01:58 PM)
Was talking to my manager over this during lunch, she says it is possible that we won't be able to 'pasar malam' our old games anymore because we are buying the rights to the game, and not the DVD itself. So Microsoft can technically limit the disc to a single machine - provided that what applies to computer software holds true here as well.
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QUOTE(hyperweb @ May 19 2007, 10:46 PM)
increase by RM120?  how do you arrive at that?

If my calculation is correct, if i assume you use the xbox 360 for 48 hrs, the
cost will be 48hr x 0.2kW  x RM0.3  =  RM2.88

if you are a hardcore, and turns on the xbox 360 for 18hrs a day, in a month you will have accumulatd 18 x 30 = 540 hrs. So assuming the worst case:

540hr x 0.2kW x RM0.3 =  RM32.40

So RM120 is a bit too off.  Maybe TN 'miscalculated'
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QUOTE(mayatsan @ May 20 2007, 09:27 AM)
That's y.....M$ should launch official Xbox360 in Malaysia as they did in China. They sold the ori game in china market so cheap...bcoz they want to stop those piracy things...y that capitalism M$ cant do this in Malaysia......ooohhh come on 60 SD is not the same as RM50...they pinned us so bad...they should have the strategy on how to tackle the consumer...but yet they failed...enuf with the defect product...wut they did are taking the advantage on us...oh come on just launch it in malaysia and we will have a better consumer rights...they lauched it in all IT/ICT asian countries such as japan, korea,india,singapore and even china....dun we have our cyberjaya which M$ invest where so called their "2nd Silicon Valley" in asian region....sssighhh M$ capitalism at its best...  cry.gif  cry.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif


Added on May 20, 2007, 9:40 amAND THINK... HOW ABOUT THIS IF ITS GONNA HAPPEN???
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Hmm...ok..but what if xbox 360 is released in Malaysia....but most of Malaysian r still buying pirated copies too.... shocking.gif blush.gif
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if the price of the original games for malaysia market are reasonable i would purchased and support the original ( if there is official launch in Malaysia ).

i`ve lot of original xbox360 games collection and i will purchased the original if the game are awesome to me....if not i will purchased the pirated copies. **
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MS is being bollocks when it comes to introducing Live services here in Malaysia. Below are the software piracy rate in certain countries for the year 2004:

1. China: 92%
2. India: 73%
3. Venezuela: 72%
4. Chile: 63%
5. Mexico: 63%

All the countries above has Live services whereas Malaysia with software piracy rate of 63% is being left out. And mind you, the data shown if for the year 2004. I bet with the ongoing crackdown on software piracy here, the latest stats will be lower vmad.gif mad.gif


Added on May 20, 2007, 11:29 amOh looky here. Something I picked up on the net. Notice the statement in bold:

On May 17, 2007, Microsoft started banning modified firmware consoles. Users with modified firmware will be banned permanently from Xbox Live, says Microsoft. After the first day of mass banning, Microsoft Germany executive Boris Schneider-Johne said: "You can get banned and exact same firmware ban code error if you have a overseas account with non valid address; You paid with a overseas credit card where the address does not agree with the address used in Xbox Live."

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Oh looky here. Something I picke up on the net. Notice the statement in bold:

On May 17, 2007, Microsoft started banning modified firmware consoles. Users with modified firmware will be banned permanently from Xbox Live, says Microsoft. After the first day of mass banning, Microsoft Germany executive Boris Schneider-Johne said: "You can get banned and exact same firmware ban code error if you have a overseas account with non valid address; You paid with a overseas credit card where the address does not agree with the address used in Xbox Live."
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If this happen bye xbox hello ps3 for me.

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QUOTE(ganaz-x @ May 20 2007, 11:23 AM)
MS is being bollocks when it comes to introducing Live services here in Malaysia. Below are the software piracy rate in certain countries for the year 2004:

1. China: 92%
2. India: 73%
3. Venezuela: 72%
4. Chile: 63%
5. Mexico: 63%

All the countries above has Live services whereas Malaysia with software piracy rate of 63% is being left out. And mind you, the data shown if for the year 2004. I bet with the ongoing crackdown on software piracy here, the latest stats will be lower  vmad.gif  mad.gif


Added on May 20, 2007, 11:29 amOh looky here. Something I picked up on the net. Notice the statement in bold:

On May 17, 2007, Microsoft started banning modified firmware consoles. Users with modified firmware will be banned permanently from Xbox Live, says Microsoft. After the first day of mass banning, Microsoft Germany executive Boris Schneider-Johne said: "You can get banned and exact same firmware ban code error if you have a overseas account with non valid address; You paid with a overseas credit card where the address does not agree with the address used in Xbox Live."
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Holly SH1T !!!! icon_question.gif .....im usinng US account and the address is ATARI address tongue.gif ...But my CC is my house address....Aiyoyo.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(ImSIEBEL @ May 20 2007, 11:39 AM)
Holly SH1T !!!!  icon_question.gif .....im usinng US account and the address is ATARI address  tongue.gif ...But my CC is my house address....Aiyoyo.. rclxub.gif
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Added on May 20, 2007, 11:29 amOh looky here. Something I picked up on the net. Notice the statement in bold:

On May 17, 2007, Microsoft started banning modified firmware consoles. Users with modified firmware will be banned permanently from Xbox Live, says Microsoft. After the first day of mass banning, Microsoft Germany executive Boris Schneider-Johne said: "You can get banned and exact same firmware ban code error if you have a overseas account with non valid address; You paid with a overseas credit card where the address does not agree with the address used in Xbox Live."
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LOL... then all msian xbox360 users is goin to be banned??

btw.. i hear news that M$ is hiring staffs for a local setup.. maybe launching soon?
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Rubbing salt on the wound heh heh heh tongue.gif

Most criticisms leveled at the Xbox Live service concern the Xbox Live Marketplace. The service has come under fire from both gamers and the gaming press for charging for downloadable content. In many such cases, users failed to see the value of the content.

Notable incidents include a horse armor download for Oblivion costing $2 and Microsoft charging for a Gears of War map pack that developer Epic wished to give away for free (it will become a free download 4 months later).
Game Informer also said that Microsoft forced other companies to charge for content they wanted to give out for free.

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I can't connect to Live now. I think I'm banned. Tee hee.
No error message though.

Checked the error code and yep, I'm banned tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ganaz-x @ May 20 2007, 11:23 AM)
MS is being bollocks when it comes to introducing Live services here in Malaysia. Below are the software piracy rate in certain countries for the year 2004:

1. China: 92%
2. India: 73%
3. Venezuela: 72%
4. Chile: 63%
5. Mexico: 63%

All the countries above has Live services whereas Malaysia with software piracy rate of 63% is being left out. And mind you, the data shown if for the year 2004. I bet with the ongoing crackdown on software piracy here, the latest stats will be lower  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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huh? except for mexico, the other 4 countries dont have official LIVE and china is not launched just like Msia. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(mayatsan @ May 20 2007, 08:14 AM)
GOOD POINTS TO PONDER...
THINK ABOUT THIS SCENENARIO...
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1. Regarding your point to ponder, the first point is one of the important point!! How can it be "put aside", then come out with all the point that support his point of perspective only? Cleary he is just piss at Microsoft for banning. Wait till you see people flying in the game and shooting unlimited bullet at the rate of 999 bullet per second. Yes, it happens.

2. Of course but those are minority, usually modders would have gotten two xb360 & they can do whatever they want without limiting themselves. It's a no-brainer that if cheating and hacking happens, people need to get ban. Not just console game, any online would have that happen. World of Warcraft is the hottest game right now with massive subscriber, yet Blizzard decide to ban more than 18,000 cheaters and suspended alot of users. Cheaters or not, those are source of income for blizzard but yet, they goto do it because it has to be fair.

3. Again, just to cater to the minority and piss off the larger legitimate userbase? Think of it, how will the legitimate user feel when they pay more to support the game yet pirates just need to pay few bux to play online?
So i find Microsoft way of dealing with modded console are more justify because it doesn't brick your console, it doesn't render your console useless, you just can't play online. How is that gona regulate negative PR is beyond me because since Day 1 people know Microsoft gona ban them but it's just them being "optimistic" that it won't happen.

4. Until we seen real figure, nobody can vouch for its credibility.

5. I don't think that will happen, the most is hiding the identity of modded console, not playing pirated games online. It didn't happen in xbox 1 so i doubt it will happen for xb360.

So here is a point for ponder. Why do you think banning from Xbox Live is bad? Are you being selfish?? Just to allow you to play pirated game online now you want Microsoft to open up the opportunity for every unethic hackers to come up with hacks for games online? How will those who pay alot more for the legitimate copies feel? (probably feel like a tard laugh.gif ) You still can play pirated games on your console, it's fair isn't it? - general statement, not pointing at anyone.

QUOTE(mayatsan @ May 20 2007, 08:14 AM)
AND THINK... HOW ABOUT THIS IF ITS GONNA HAPPEN???
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Was talking to my manager over this during lunch, she says it is possible that we won't be able to 'pasar malam' our old games anymore because we are buying the rights to the game, and not the DVD itself. So Microsoft can technically limit the disc to a single machine - provided that what applies to computer software holds true here as well.

That is not gona happen anytime soon, Microsoft will be fighting alone with all the american hypermarket giant! If that ever hits, we are not the first one to be worried!

QUOTE(mayatsan @ May 20 2007, 08:14 AM)
That's y.....M$ should launch official Xbox360 in Malaysia as they did in China. They sold the ori game in china market so cheap...bcoz they want to stop those piracy things...y that capitalism M$ cant do this in Malaysia......ooohhh come on 60 SD is not the same as RM50...they pinned us so bad...they should have the strategy on how to tackle the consumer...but yet they failed...enuf with the defect product...wut they did are taking the advantage on us...oh come on just launch it in malaysia and we will have a better consumer rights...they lauched it in all IT/ICT asian countries such as japan, korea,india,singapore and even china....dun we have our cyberjaya which M$ invest where so called their "2nd Silicon Valley" in asian region....sssighhh M$ capitalism at its best...

That's why we need to show Microsoft Malaysia has a market here, if we keep buying pirated games all the way how will that ever happen? They launch in China because everyone want a piece of china now eventhough piracy rate is terrible there now but, you get the point..i am not economist tongue.gif India? I guess India is just part of the important region for Microsoft because lots of IT professional from there.
You can say Microsoft did nothing about this and sometimes we always getting unfair treament but have you ever think Microsoft actually offer us CHEAPER game compare to PS3 (where alot of user here say if this & that happen, i will buy PS3) Xb360 games manufacture in Singapore are way cheaper compare to buying US version?

PC gaming just started to have localize version lately at the price of lower than RM100. That don't come in the blink of an eye, it comes after all those year of "struggling". It started with competitive gaming scene, then alot buy ORI just so they can play online. More and more people do that...company like EA and others started to print Localize version in BM and we got a cheaper ori deal.

If anyone have the rights to complain about expensive games and unfair treatment, Europe should be the first in line because they always get screwed in the ass. Games in UK are selling at £40 per copy!!! That's way too much even for its standard of living. If anyone has the right to pirate games, Europe should do it first.

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