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post Sep 5 2018, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 5 2018, 07:42 AM)
What are you disappoint about Vega?
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Vega 64’s price is just slightly lower than cheapest 1080ti while only slightly faster than 1080, not to mention power consumption through the roof.

If the price is slightly cheaper than 1080 then the power consumption won’t matter much anymore

Vega 56 is better but still, theres no competitor for 1080ti

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post Sep 5 2018, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Sep 5 2018, 10:28 AM)
Vega 64’s price is just slightly lower than cheapest 1080ti while only slightly faster than 1080, not to mention power consumption through the roof.

If the price is slightly cheaper than 1080 then the power consumption won’t matter much anymore

Vega 56 is better but still, theres no competitor for 1080ti
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I use Vega56, clocked the HBM speed to match 64 speeds and performance is great within few percent off its bigger brother. Core clock didnt really matter because even under water not many can pass over 1800MHz. I dont even need to flash to 64 VBIOS, just edit powerplay table in registry to 64 one and I'm done. Runs cooler too because HBM voltage is lower on 56 VBIOS. HBM runs better at lower temperatures as it adjust timing depends on how hot it runs.

Vega power consumption is high because AMD binned their voltage at crazy level to let some lower yield ones to pass. Most of the chips runs fine when undervolted. Undervolt it is peanuts and cut down huge power and heat.

I know most people wont buy because of the price. Its not competitive against nv's offering. With RTX coming up, the older Pascal cards price drops massively. 2nd hand market filled with very cheap 1060's, 1070's and even 1080/Ti's. Prices of AMD cards in Malaysia is crazy because of miners tax. Shop still charge like mining is still a thing. If you look at Amazon prices were a lot better than local shops.

Truth to be told, I'm not impressed with RTX lineup. People that uses 1080Ti going to hold to their cards. I dont think in terms of raw power it will beat 1080Ti by a large margin, but the costs nv charge for their new cards is simply ridiculous.
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 5 2018, 07:42 AM)
What are you disappoint about Vega?
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cause i plan it will stronger than 1080ti with cheaper price

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Haha guess i be holding on 1070 then laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 5 2018, 10:51 AM)
I use Vega56, clocked the HBM speed to match 64 speeds and performance is great within few percent off its bigger brother. Core clock didnt really matter because even under water not many can pass over 1800MHz. I dont even need to flash to 64 VBIOS, just edit powerplay table in registry to 64 one and I'm done. Runs cooler too because HBM voltage is lower on 56 VBIOS. HBM runs better at lower temperatures as it adjust timing depends on how hot it runs.

Vega power consumption is high because AMD binned their voltage at crazy level to let some lower yield ones to pass. Most of the chips runs fine when undervolted. Undervolt it is peanuts and cut down huge power and heat.

I know most people wont buy because of the price. Its not competitive against nv's offering. With RTX coming up, the older Pascal cards price drops massively. 2nd hand market filled with very cheap 1060's, 1070's and even 1080/Ti's. Prices of AMD cards in Malaysia is crazy because of miners tax. Shop still charge like mining is still a thing. If you look at Amazon prices were a lot better than local shops.

Truth to be told, I'm not impressed with RTX lineup. People that uses 1080Ti going to hold to their cards. I dont think in terms of raw power it will beat 1080Ti by a large margin, but the costs nv charge for their new cards is simply ridiculous.
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too much things to do just to improve the performance of vega56

on geforce 10 series its crazy simple. Install afterburner and set some sliders. Done.

I’ve used R9 290 so I know how the traditional overclocking of AMD works. Need to play around voltage to find the best performance and power consumption, as well as the best clocks for stability.

On Nvidia it’s all automatic, you just set the end target parameter and done. Easy power limits, temp limits, core clocks, memory clocks. No need to play around with stability. GPU boost 3 automatically apply appropriate voltage etc.

Not to mention even after overclocking Nvidia 10 series, the added power consumption is not big. My overclocked 1070ti only around 3C higher than stock. So no need to deal with annoying louder noise from the fans trying to keep the gpu within the temp range.

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inb4 Nvidia nerfs Pascal cards to make Turing cards look better... it's not like they've never done it before. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Sep 5 2018, 04:45 PM)
inb4 Nvidia nerfs Pascal cards to make Turing cards look better... it's not like they've never done it before. whistling.gif
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Wow really
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Sep 5 2018, 01:05 PM)
too much things to do just to improve the performance of vega56

on geforce 10 series its crazy simple. Install afterburner and set some sliders. Done.

I’ve used R9 290 so I know how the traditional overclocking of AMD works. Need to play around voltage to find the best performance and power consumption, as well as the best clocks for stability.

On Nvidia it’s all automatic, you just set the end target parameter and done. Easy power limits, temp limits, core clocks, memory clocks. No need to play around with stability. GPU boost 3 automatically apply appropriate voltage etc.

Not to mention even after overclocking Nvidia 10 series, the added power consumption is not big. My overclocked 1070ti only around 3C higher than stock. So no need to deal with annoying louder noise from the fans trying to keep the gpu within the temp range.
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I said just by bumping HBM2 clock to 64 speeds I get over 95% the performance of 64 laugh.gif Undervolting is just simply punching lower number than the default and you done. Overclocking the core don't net much performance increase, the HBM2 clock is more important.

The powerplay table is optional if you don't want to mess with any software. Just run overdriveNtool, open PPTable editor, load Vega64 VBIOS and click apply. DONE biggrin.gif
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why gtx 2060 or other lower end need to wait until next year ? can't they release it earlier ?
So 2080ti = 20%performance vs 1080ti ? on 4k but can't hit above 60fps.

And battelefield remove ray tracing option to increase performance.
what's the reason implementing it when games remove them ?

How much do you expect for performance ratio vs price 1080ti ?

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Sep 5 2018, 05:33 PM)
I said just by bumping HBM2 clock to 64 speeds I get over 95% the performance of 64 laugh.gif Undervolting is just simply punching lower number than the default and you done. Overclocking the core don't net much performance increase, the HBM2 clock is more important.

The powerplay table is optional if you don't want to mess with any software. Just run overdriveNtool, open PPTable editor, load Vega64 VBIOS and click apply. DONE biggrin.gif
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you running your vega on air ? Is it reference cooler ?
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Video card got 5% SST.

But if you go vacation happy happy buy there and bring back will not kena. According to this.
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post Sep 6 2018, 08:16 AM

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otw... to Singapore.

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Sep 6 2018, 12:47 AM)
you running your vega on air ? Is it reference cooler ?
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Yep reference cooler on air.
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QUOTE(craxors @ Sep 6 2018, 08:16 AM)
otw... to Singapore.

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Hopefully rtx 2080 performance really can keep up or better than 1080ti. both prices are similar. yolo pre-ordered it.
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Sep 6 2018, 01:53 PM)
Hopefully rtx 2080 performance really can keep up or better than 1080ti. both prices are similar. yolo pre-ordered it.
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post Sep 6 2018, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Sep 6 2018, 01:53 PM)
Hopefully rtx 2080 performance really can keep up or better than 1080ti. both prices are similar. yolo pre-ordered it.
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nvidia sendiri say turing is 35-45% improvement over pascal
since 1080ti is around 35% faster than 1080
then 2080 and 1080ti will be quite close, maybe 5-10% faster?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Sep 6 2018, 03:01 PM)
nvidia sendiri say turing is 35-45% improvement over pascal
since 1080ti is around 35% faster than 1080
then 2080 and 1080ti will be quite close, maybe 5-10% faster?
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More or less. When the 980 first came out, it was only ~10% faster than the 780Ti on stock. Sure the 980 OC'd like a beast and that gave it up to a ~20% lead.
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haha
dunno want to pre-order zotac 2080 or not
it is similar price as 1080ti
but performance better than it
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QUOTE(silrave @ Sep 6 2018, 03:26 PM)
haha
dunno want to pre-order zotac 2080 or not
it is similar price as 1080ti
but performance better than it
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yeah, thats the conclusion i came to. i pre-order because wanting to get first batch on 20th september, lazy to wait until october to get. triple fan amp edition rtx 2080 should be way better than 1080ti amp edition in term of cooling. iinm tdp should be lower for rtx 2080, with 3+2 years warranty drool.gif .

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