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Allen.89
post Jan 24 2018, 06:35 PM

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What is Mercury Poisoning?


One of the example case of eating fish from highly polluted water.


The Minamata Disease




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post Jan 26 2018, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 22 2018, 10:35 PM)
While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?

The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while
bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus.

Grass Carp
Mandarin name  : 草鱼 (Cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (Yóu huàn)
Cantonese name : 皖鱼 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan"
Hokkien name  : Chow Hu
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput
Details:
• When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves.
• It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms.
• Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels.
• Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales.

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Bighead Carp
Mandarin name  : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú)
Cantonese name : Soong  Yu
Hokkien name  : Twa Hu, Hua Leng
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar
Details:
• It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head.
• Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration.
• This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus.

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Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look.

* For those who found the information above are not correct, pls comment   biggrin.gif
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Speaking of fish head, how about those fish which is always use for fish head curry?

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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 24 2018, 06:35 PM)
What is Mercury Poisoning?
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One of the example case of eating fish from highly polluted water.
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The Minamata Disease
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post Jan 26 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 26 2018, 09:51 AM)
Speaking of fish head, how about those fish which is always use for fish head curry?
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Ahhh fish head curry. That would be the snapper.

But not only the origin of fish head curry (Malaysia/Singapore) are controversial, the name of different snapper in English, Malay, Hokkien (northern Hokkien e.g. Penang, southern Hokkien e.g. Johor, Singapore Hokkien, East Malaysia Hokkien) are a mess too. Based on my limited understanding, red snapper is referred by the Hokkien as Ang Hu ? or Ang Kueh/Kuay ? but in English speaking community, red snapper is from tropical water around central & south America (atlantic/pacific?) which is around the same area as where Goliath Grouper are from.

I read somewhere before that there are 1 types of snapper (Crimson Snapper) that Australian (consider close to us, Malaysia) ang moh would die die say it is red snapper when debate about red snapper with ang moh from other country especially USA (cause the other 2 major ang moh country is Canada & UK which have cold water while snapper are mainly tropical fish).

There is also another type of snapper that would be refers as red snapper occasionally by Australian. So, I will include informations about those 2 snapper and a few snapper that I know about.

As my personal conclusion, Red snapper / Ang Hu / Ang Kueh or Kuay / Ikan Merah is a common name or umbrella term (most probably true in Malaysia). It refers to all red coloured snapper, in a same way when we say dog while ang sai, ang goi, ang zhor & etc would be the same as when we say a husky, corgi and etc.

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

And before that maybe I should includes an external anatomy of a fish as the descriptions of a fish would always talk about body part like dorsal fin, pectoral fin, pelvic fin, anal fin, lateral line & etc.

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* Btw, all tropical snapper have canine teeth to grab hold of its prey.

Saltwater fish

Crimson Snapper
Also known as : Crimson Seaperch / Red Bream
Mandarin name : 红鸡 (Hóng jī)
Hokkien name : Ang Goi, Chun Goi
Malay name : Ikan Merah, Merah Pucat

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Emperor Red Snapper
Also known as : Government Bream
Mandarin name : 红狮 (Hóng shī), 关刀红 (Guān dāo hóng)
Cantonese name : 紅三刀 (Hung Sam Dou)
Hokkien name : Ang Sai
Malay name : Ikan Merah Coreng, Merah Boring
Details:
• A striking tropical snapper with a reddish to pink body and red fins.
• Juveniles and young adults have a red band/stripe on its body which will fade as the fish grows into adulthood such that they are a uniformly/homogeneous/overall red colour when fully grown.
• The Emperor Red Snapper also has a distinctive arch in the head that makes it easily distinguishable from the Crimson Snapper.
• This fish are known in Australasia as “Government Bream” perhaps because the red band/stripes give the impression that it is entangled in red tape or that it is reminiscent of the symbol for government property.

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Juvenile Emperor Red Snapper

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Adult Emperor Red Snapper

John’s Snapper
Also known as : Golden Snapper / Fingermark Bream
Mandarin name : 紅鰽 (Hóng qiú), 红皂 (Hóng zào), 红潮 (Hóng cháo)
Cantonese name : 牙點 (Ngaa Dim)
Hokkien name : Ang Zhor
Malay name : Ikan Jenahak, Ungah
Details:
• This fish has faint vertical bands on its body and each of its scale has a distinct little dark spot on it which makes it look as if there are several dotted lines radiating from the head to the tail of the fish. The vertical bands pattern are extremely prominent in juvenile fish and will eventually fade away to the level of just some hints of the vertical bands or can’t be seen at all as this fish reaches adulthood.
• It has a dark sport/“fingermark” beneath the dorsal fin which may fade away or disappear as it dies once taken out from the water or grows in size.
• The body of this fish are golden-brown to reddish skin tint and the dorsal fin and tail can be yellow to red in colour.

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John's snapper

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John’s Snapper which has lost its “fingermark”

Russell’s Snapper
Also known as : Moses Snapper / Fingermark Bream
Mandarin name : 紅鰽痣 (Hóng qiú zhì), 红皂记 (Hóng zào jì)
Cantonese name : 火點 (Fo Dim)
Hokkien name : Ang Zhor Kee
Malay name : Ikan Tanda
Details:
• This fish has horizontal yellow stripes across its body. The pattern is extremely prominent in juvenile fish and will eventually fade away as it gets bigger and older.
• It has a dark sport/“fingermark” beneath the dorsal fin which stay even after it dies or reaches adulthood.
• The body of this fish are pale gold/silvery white to pinkish colour. Its dorsal fin and tail are purple with bright yellow pectoral, pelvic and anal fin.

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Russell’s Snapper

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Juvenile Russell’s Snapper with more noticeable horizontal yellow stripes.

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Russell’s Snapper with rosy pink colour

Mangrove Red Snapper
Also known as : Mangrove Jack / Dog Bream / Rock Barramundi
Mandarin name : 赤鰽 (Chì qiú), 红家定 (Hóng jiā dìng)
Cantonese name : 紅𩵼 (Hung Yau)
Hokkien name : Ciak Zhor
Malay name : Siakap Merah, Kakap Merah
Details:
• Mostly found in mangrove swamp, hence the name. Those which found in mangrove swamp tend to be younger fish.
• It has noticeable canine teeth.
• Coloration of this fish ranges from burnt orange, to copper, to bronze and dark reddish-brown, depending on its age and environment.
• The younger fish in brackish water usually have darker colour than the older fish from offshore reef areas (saltwater). Usually those older fish head to saltwater from brackish water to breed/spawn.

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Mangrove Red Snapper

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Noticeable canine teeth

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post Jan 26 2018, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 26 2018, 09:53 AM)
biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif the video would be quite useful for those who dun like to read.
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post Jan 27 2018, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 20 2018, 12:50 AM)
Whoa. So, I assume the Goliath that you are referring are a type of hybrid too? Not the natural/wild one?

Belugas? The dolphin? Why you guys want to breed that?
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 06:07 PM)
Mahi farm in Msia for >6 years jor. The one even I also impressed is the beluga farm.....in Msia. This when I first visit also I shit brix. No trout or spot farm yet in Msia though.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 10:43 PM)
No. I already said b4 that Goliath and beluga are confidential information which i am not allowed to reveal.
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QUOTE(Kim Bi Jan @ Jan 24 2018, 01:27 PM)
beluga farm? wat the....but for what? i thought beluga's meant for zoo only..

or u mean sturgeon for their caviar?

inb4 beluga sturgeon owaiii
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This?

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Sturgeon-farming project: Residents' suspicions proven right

Sturgeon-farming project: How Felda 5 beat the system

Ops Caviar: Detain 5

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Allen.89
post Jan 27 2018, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 27 2018, 04:16 PM)
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Is this why the guy say it is a secret?

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post Jan 27 2018, 05:27 PM

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Maybe his project is in a new location after the one mention in the news failed or proven to be fake.
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post Jan 27 2018, 05:54 PM

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Not my project and that project is a joint between gov and private.
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My baby is 2months old. My wife eat fish almost everyday when she is pregnant. She only eat threadfin fish 午鱼, sardines, promfret, cod and salmon only. Cod and salmon only consume every 10days to 14days once. And she drink avocado juice thrice a week and take neurogain pb 300 everyday.



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post Jan 27 2018, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(coca^cola @ Jan 27 2018, 06:05 PM)
My baby is 2months old. My wife eat fish almost everyday when she is pregnant. She only eat threadfin fish 午鱼, sardines, promfret, cod and salmon only. Cod and salmon only consume every 10days to 14days once. And she drink avocado juice thrice a week and take  neurogain pb 300 everyday.
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Skip salmon and cod

Replace with Jade Perch local farm.
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post Jan 27 2018, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(coca^cola @ Jan 27 2018, 06:05 PM)
My baby is 2months old. My wife eat fish almost everyday when she is pregnant. She only eat threadfin fish 午鱼, sardines, promfret, cod and salmon only. Cod and salmon only consume every 10days to 14days once. And she drink avocado juice thrice a week and take  neurogain pb 300 everyday.
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Which type of threadfin fish 午鱼?
After seeing what xxhenry89xx wrote, I better stick to Ikan Senangin / Fourfinger Threadfin / Peh Ngor .

sardines, promfret, cod and salmon, I agreed

cod? hmmm

I think i better add some seaweed too for my wife & kids. and use anchovies, grind it into powder to make soup or stock for cooking.

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QUOTE(sohailayhun @ Jan 27 2018, 06:37 PM)
Skip salmon and cod

Replace with Jade Perch local farm.
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Jade perch? Do you know it Chinese, Malay, & etc name?
Mercury level ok?

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post Feb 1 2018, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jan 19 2018, 11:26 PM)
Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰 (ding Jia lan in Mandarin, Ding Ga Lan in Cantonese). It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Regarding Soon Hock price, the price selling in the wet market is quite cheap. In restaurants it's not very cheap as well like in KL/Selangor.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new (opened in the past few years) but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.
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Just finish eating at chat sook here. River tilapia is rm45 per kg n bak so kung at rm55 per kg. Will be back again next time 😁
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QUOTE(sohailayhun @ Jan 27 2018, 06:37 PM)
Skip salmon and cod

Replace with Jade Perch local farm.
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Last week eat longfinperch
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post Feb 1 2018, 09:03 PM

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Just ate sardine innocent.gif innocent.gif
Ayam brand canned sardines.
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Feb 1 2018, 02:30 PM)
Just finish eating at chat sook here. River tilapia is rm45 per kg n bak so kung at rm55 per kg. Will be back again next time 😁
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Nice, hopefully you ate their famous spring rolls as well.

Lenggong is also famous for their fried hand made fish paste wan tan noodles... You should absolutely try it next time you're here
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post Mar 31 2018, 06:47 PM

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Nice info. thumbup.gif thumbsup.gif

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Phew.. quite a good reading material.
TS, Leo.Lee and xxhenry89xx, I know that this thread have been a while but I would take my chance in asking how about other kind of seafood like lala, siham, hoi sam?
I mean at least their English name > Mandarin name > Malay name?

I am lazy to open a new thread with no reply or with nonsense reply. I might as well just post it here where it seem there is quite a few seafood experts here.

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post Apr 12 2018, 02:59 PM

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lol . Leo.Lee, TS, is this your post?
Table of common edible fish in Malaysia (Reddit)



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post Apr 12 2018, 03:27 PM

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Just sharing this journal for who like to read. i'm not browse all 10 pages so i apologize if already bening shared.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334092/

Total mercury levels in marine fish sampled from the fish landing ports and the wholesale markets in Peninsular Malaysia are summarized in Table 3. Mercury levels of 46 marine fish species ranged from 0.055 to 2.537 mg/kg of dry weight. Significant variations of mercury levels exist in different species (χKW2 = 103.581; p < 0.001).

Among pelagic fish, the median for mercury levels was higher (>0.5 mg/kg) in scad (Selar boops) and bonito (Sarda orientalis). While for the demersal fish, the highest mercury levels were shown in John’s snapper (Lutjanus ruselli), mangrove red snapper (Lutjanus argentimaculatus), and doublewhip threadfin bream (Nemipterus nematophorus). Mercury levels were significantly higher in higher tropic level fish (χKW2 = 7.787; p < 0.02).

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