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TSkelvinlym
post Dec 12 2017, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Dec 12 2017, 08:33 PM)
The personal details of some 46.2 million mobile number subscribers in Malaysia are at stake in what is believed to be one of the largest data breaches ever seen in the country.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017...cam-attacks-an/

TS any comments this or what can you do?
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There should be a class action suit. I'm not sure how it works here but if any law firm willing to do the legwork, it could set a precedent in Malaysia.

A law firm could start by suing the telcos and MCMC. Then force them to testify in court to defend themselves. Then reach a settlement for the victims. Then if the defendants have to pay compensation, the law firm will get fame and most of the fortune, while victims will be left with some scraps.

I'm not affected as I didn't have a mobile number in Malaysia prior to 2015, but my family members are affected.
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post Dec 13 2017, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(sengg @ Dec 12 2017, 08:15 PM)
I'm assuming you're buying the house for own stay? Now, let's consider the alternative, after getting your house key not even a single agent contact you bc technically there's no way to reach you.....lead time of getting a tenant is prolonged....and in the subsequent years you have to manually search for agents...now u decide! Cheers. :thumbsup: 

P/s: Tarnishing someone's reputation might not be a good solution...i thought
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Hmm let me interpret your statement. You mean a person can legally to be a robber if he claim that “I rob the Money in goodwill basis which is for charity donation and of course some for my own use”. 😄😄
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post Dec 13 2017, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Dec 12 2017, 11:20 PM)
If you allow your information to be disseminated willingly, sure, no problem.  Heck, if there is a list where owners can put their names and explicitly agree to be called for offers, sign me up.

The situation now is that my and all owners' information is being obtained illegally without our consent.  This is not only a matter of principle but it is in fact illegal in Malaysia since the PDPA came into effect in 2010.

If we don't make a stand now, when will it stop?  How do you know if next time your information is being used to do something illegal?  Will you just shrug and say, "So be it.  I'll just spend time going to the banks, CTOS, employers, police etc to clear my name."  You might be willing to do that, not me.
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there is no privacy in Malaysia from the date you were born, period.

gov has all the info, your name, dob, parents, where you stay, what religion and etc. everything is linked to your IC.
gov can use your info to do whatever, including general election.

now who do you want to complain to?
SUSlowya
post Dec 13 2017, 01:22 PM

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wow u just helped them advertised.
TSkelvinlym
post Dec 13 2017, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Dec 13 2017, 11:19 AM)
there is no privacy in Malaysia from the date you were born, period.

gov has all the info, your name, dob, parents, where you stay, what religion and etc. everything is linked to your IC.
gov can use your info to do whatever, including general election.

now who do you want to complain to?
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That is the government.

We are talking about private individuals using your information for commercial gains. Please educate yourself on privacy laws.

I feel sorry for your ignorance.
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post Dec 13 2017, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Dec 13 2017, 01:22 PM)
wow u just helped them advertised.
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Go ahead and give them your business if you like.
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post Dec 13 2017, 04:07 PM

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Update 13/12/2017: Got a call from Maxis and they said they have suspended the Maxis numbers as the numbers exhibit spam patterns. It's in their usage policy that they can suspend numbers if it's used as spam. That's a small win I guess. But it's their own words, they could have just said it and done nothing about it, and I have no way to know.

Also got a reply from PDP. This time a longer one as other replies before only contained an automated reply. They said that commercial contacts without our consent are not illegal (contrary to the PDPA 2010 Section 7, Notice and Choice Principle), but we have the right to give a written reply to the spammer to stop and delete all our data. Only if it was not complied, then only it is an offence. Well, that's our government folks.

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3.            Untuk makluman pihak tuan, emel/ sms/ atau panggilan telefon secara rawak pada kali pertama kepada mana-mana individu tidak dianggap menjadi kesalahan. Tetapi, tuan/ puan perlu menyatakan tidak berminat dan mohon semua maklumat yang ada dan sedia ada dalam milikan Pengguna Data tersebut dihapuskan segera kerana anda tidak mahu data peribadi anda dalam milikan mereka. Penyataan ini perlu bertulis dan direkodkan. Untuk makluman lanjut berkaitan perkara ini tuan/ puan bolehlah melayari www.pdp.gov.my untuk mendapatkan cara terbaik dalam menangani jualan langsung. (ruangan pautan pantas →penerbitan→  How Best Respond To Direct Marketing.



4.            Adalah menjadi kesalahan di bawah Akta 709, selepas perkara (3) telah dinyatakan dan Pengguna Data tersebut mengulanginya pada kali kedua. Sehubungan itu, adalah menjadi prosedur biasa untuk kami meminta pihak pengadu supaya mendapatkan penjelasan bertulis daripada pihak yang berkenaan terlebih dahulu sebelum mengemukakan aduan kepada Pesuruhjaya Perlindungan Data Peribadi.


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post Dec 13 2017, 04:07 PM

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i would like to see you take legal actions and update us on the outcome after that... maybe the result of your action will enlighten alot of other malaysians to follow your path... malaysians being malaysians... they will only start to take action if there was a successful example... haha... and every property agency, banks credit card dept, MLM companies also buying this kind of data... it will be huge impact to the market if your legal case resulted in something positive...
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post Dec 13 2017, 06:15 PM

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Yes, interested to hear your success story in this legal suit.
I'm sure it will hit the news headlines. cool.gif
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post Dec 13 2017, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Dec 13 2017, 04:07 PM)
Update 13/12/2017: Got a call from Maxis and they said they have suspended the Maxis numbers as the numbers exhibit spam patterns.  It's in their usage policy that they can suspend numbers if it's used as spam. That's a small win I guess.  But it's their own words, they could have just said it and done nothing about it, and I have no way to know.

Also got a reply from PDP.  This time a longer one as other replies before only contained an automated reply.  They said that commercial contacts without our consent are not illegal (contrary to the PDPA 2010 Section 7, Notice and Choice Principle), but we have the right to give a written reply to the spammer to stop and delete all our data.  Only if it was not complied, then only it is an offence.  Well, that's our government folks.

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good for u..
small win since Maxis is very particular on these spam thingy.. well it's would tarnish their premium reputation..
u don't expect "C" Telco to do such thing.. report many times, No action taken devil.gif
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post Dec 13 2017, 06:49 PM

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Lolz, so many pissed off property salesman supporting something that obviously should not happen in the first place. I support TS. This shouldn't have happened without prior consent or at least they should share the source of that info for sale of transparency.. but some of u here just think it's c*** blocking someone's rice bowl.
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post Dec 13 2017, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Dec 12 2017, 09:32 PM)
Malaysian mentality is always "takpe, nothing we can do"

Privacy is the part everyone should take care of but the law is not strong enough that everyone can sell and buy freely.
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Probably because we doesn't have rampant identity theft yet?
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QUOTE(grim.fandango @ Dec 13 2017, 06:59 PM)
Probably because we doesn't have rampant identity theft yet?
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Or should i say "mudah lupa"?

anyway, prevention is always better than cure
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post Dec 13 2017, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Dec 13 2017, 03:56 PM)
That is the government.

We are talking about private individuals using your information for commercial gains.  Please educate yourself on privacy laws.

I feel sorry for your ignorance.
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Is there any different btw gov make gain off yr personal data and private individuals make gain of your personal data?

You tell me you never got spam or try to scam you by email or ur mobile number?

At least these agents are just cari makan....not take advantage of you.

Get a real life please.
TSkelvinlym
post Dec 13 2017, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Dec 13 2017, 09:17 PM)
Is there any different btw gov make gain off yr personal data and private individuals make gain of your personal data?

You tell me you never got spam or try to scam you by email or ur mobile number?

At least these agents are just cari makan....not take advantage of you.

Get a real life please.
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A government's use of our private data is mandated by law to provide us services and to draw up policies. This is to ensure that benefits go to the right people, and public funds are being used at the right place.

A private individual or company's use of our data is for commercial gain, which is to gain profits.

If you can't see the difference, then there's no point for us continuing this topic. You choose what you want to believe, I only educate.

"You tell me you never got spam or try to scam you by email or ur mobile number?"

What does this question have to do with anything? Would you mind elaborating what you mean? If you mean that us getting spam or scams is due to the government leaking our info, who do you think is at fault here? People like you who think it is normal. When no one objects, no one pressuring their representatives, no one reporting to the authorities, no media to highlight this problem, the culprits will just keep on doing it.

It seems like you have accepted it as a norm. Whatever floats your boat. Maybe what I'm highlighting is hitting a little too close to home for you?

I, for one, am trying to do my part to at least protect myself and my data.

At least these agents are just cari makan....not take advantage of you.

Did you even read what you have just written? doh.gif The practice of using my data without my consent for their own benefit, is literally the definition of "to take advantage of".

Get a real life please.

I will, thanks for the wishes.

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post Dec 13 2017, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Dec 13 2017, 10:21 PM)
A government's use of our private data is mandated by law to provide us services and to draw up policies.  This is to ensure that benefits go to the right people, and public funds are being used at the right place.

A private individual or company's use of our data is for commercial gain, which is to gain profits.

If you can't see the difference, then there's no point for us continuing this topic.  You choose what you want to believe, I only educate.

"You tell me you never got spam or try to scam you by email or ur mobile number?"

What does this question have to do with anything?  Would you mind elaborating what you mean?  If you mean that us getting spam or scams is due to the government leaking our info, who do you think is at fault here?  People like you who think it is normal.  When no one objects, no one pressuring their representatives, no one reporting to the authorities, no media to highlight this problem, the culprits will just keep on doing it.

It seems like you have accepted it as a norm.  Whatever floats your boat.  Maybe what I'm highlighting is hitting a little too close to home for you?

I, for one, am trying to do my part to at least protect myself and my data.

At least these agents are just cari makan....not take advantage of you.

Did you even read what you have just written?  doh.gif The practice of using my data without my consent for their own benefit, is literally the definition of "to take advantage of".

Get a real life please.

I will, thanks for the wishes.
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Obviously you never heard of gerrymandering.

Who will you complain to when someone spam yr email or scam you via mobile and/or email?
TSkelvinlym
post Dec 13 2017, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Dec 13 2017, 10:30 PM)
Obviously you never heard of gerrymandering.

Who will you complain to when someone spam yr email or scam you via mobile and/or email?
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Obviously you never heard of gerrymandering.

I hope you didn't hurt yourself coming up with that big word. What does this topic have to do with the manipulation of election boundaries?

Who will you complain to when someone spam yr email or scam you via mobile and/or email?

Read my first post. Oh sorry, I forgot to account for your cognitive abilities (or lack thereof).
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post Dec 13 2017, 11:28 PM

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post Dec 13 2017, 11:34 PM

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this one dunno reported how many times liao

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