Hi sir, thanks for your advise. are you owner of 3008 2018 also ?

cx5 boot space too dissapointing...

Coming from 2011 KIA Sportage GT and 2014 CRV, the CX-5’s boot space and rear seats are letdown.

Winning awards and reliability are two very separate things.

The famous Golf gearbox issues, former Car of the Year winner.
VW dieselgate cars also won World Car of the year
First gen fiat 500 (unreliable as hell), also winner of COTY

I dont think the parts are downgraded from European side, but they may not be fully homogenized here for our weather (our weather killed many Euro make cars)

In terms of looks, 3008 is definitely the best. CRV is butt ugly.

CX5 looks good, but interior space is really compact.

I hope, they increase their warranty period (7 years) and then perhaps change the people's mindset.

Nope, I own a 208 GTi, but I have 2 friends that own a 3008 2018.

Cars bought prior to 2015 was given additional 2 years warranty for drivetrain parts (which totals to 7 years) in an effort to win back consumer's confidence.. The newer cars are 5 years, because 2015/2016 onwards the reliability issues have been reduced significantly compared to previous (remember the huge issues with Prince engine on Peugeot cars between 2010-2014)?

I can agree that reliability is a separate issue. No matter how you look at it, Continental's perceived and actual reliability is still lower than their Japanese counterparts. There is no question about it. Now why is that so, sure both camps have their own reasons. The Japanese camp will say their engineering is better, more time devoted to testing. The Continentals will say their cars are chock full of sensors, NEW technology, things that are important and some regulatory mandated, but not long term tested/refined, whereas Japanese cars (especially the ones that are super reliable), have nothing inside them to breakdown, etc etc. But what I can say specifically on the Prince platform is that because it is 12 years old, it has been improved many times over, and the Prince engine you see now is not the same it was 5 years back. The current Peugeot 308 launched in 2015/6 has much lower engine issues (let's not kid ourselves, still have, its not completely gone) compared to the prior models which was notorious.

That said, after driving a Conti for a fair bit, and after seeing many accident photos of friends and others' conti car, people who got into massive accident but lived to tell the tale, there is one huge factor conti owners continue to purchase contis, and that is because of the amount of engineering that goes into chassis design. I cannot speak with absolute certainty on how Japanese chassis are being done, but it has never elicit confidence in terms of safety, at least for me. Plus, if you do take a part of typical mass produced segmet (B segmet, entry level C) and compare crash bar thickness, chassis sheet metal strength, etc, I daresay you'll end up feeling safer being inside a continental car. Unfortunately this "benefit" is something that most people won't "claim" until an accident. But sometimes when you are in an accident, it may be too late to want this benefit.

Whoa relax brother, why are you so hostile?
The new 3008 (based on the 1.6 THP Engine (FDTM, 3rd Gen THP Engine) was tested here in Malaysia by being stress driven for 100,000 km within 4 months time. It was actually driven non stop for 24 hours, with 3 shift of drivers. Of course they stopped every 10,000 km for service. The test was completed without any failures, leakages or sensor damage. This info was shared to me by a close friend working in Peugeot Malaysia. Perhaps you can verify it with their Marketing team.

The current latest gen engine that is used has been changed iteratively many times since the original Prince that was initially launched and is now in the 3rd generation. Lot's of improvements have been made.
The THP200 that I am using now only had 1 HPFP failure in the 3 + years i've used, and that HPFP was recalled and changed to an improved design just last year, also applicable for all the other THP engines. So even after 12 years they are still improving the engine. Arguable it should've been fixed from the get go, but we all know how it is difficult to have an engine work perfectly in all global conditions, especially if there are not many localised parts. While I'll steer away from recommending the Prince engine back in 2010-2015, but from 2016/2017 onwards, with all the improvements, the Prince engine has become much more reliable. 12 years of low pressure turbo experience will have to amount to something, and I'd expect the Puretech engine with is PSA's 2nd type of turbo engine to be much more reliable than it's predecessor (Prince). And because of the birthing pains I'll trust the Europeans to have more experience and knowledge building low-pressure turbo cars than the Japs, which only started mass producing low-pressure engines a decade after the Europeans started.

audi malaysia unit, 1 expat owner, full service record.

Even if the engine is "reliable", when the aircond components give at the 3-4 year mark, that leaves a terrible taste in anyone's mouth.

had a 308 vti for the wife, last batch with panoramic roof, mind you it wasn't the turbo engine. cooling coil, condensor, compressor for aircond, fan relay 3-4 times changed, timing solenoid x2 (intake and exhaust), speed sensor x 2. those were the major stuff i can think of. sold it off.

i guess i "had it good" compared to the others

I don't disagree, I think their biggest weak point is still on the aircond, but the entire aircond system (cooling coil, condensor & compressor) underwent a total recall last year too. It applied to all Peugeot cars IINM, mine including which was a 2014 year car. I'm guessing the newer cars will be better, but time will tell.

It seems to be an inherent weakness in continental car, parts that are not long lasting in our severe weather. Which is why with PSA coming into Malaysia and building cars here in Gurun (for their SEA market), the chance for localisation is there, and things can only improve. Until then, it will still be a trade off, between chassis superiority/safety vs absolute reliability/resale value.

And like I said previously, all the issues and the lack of resale value will put a downer to many owners, but specifically to those owners that have the unfortunate experience of being themselves (or their loved ones) in a major accident inside a continental car, they will appreciate the fact that they've bought one, despite the problems faced. Because ultimately you can't put a value to life. And I personally know a couple of these people, that walked away from total loss cars with just scratches. When it happened, resale value and inconveniences became "cheap prices" in comparison to the gain that was reaped, which was a saved life.

And it is precisely the reason above why I will always recommend a continental car regardless of the brand to people. Their regulatory requirements means safety is inherent in their chassis design.

lol, had the 3 + 2 year warranty. tune protect covers the +2 year warranty and they voided it, thus making me pay for the entire aircond system, because an engine service was not done on time. the dealer was of no help whatsoever, car sat there untouched for a month. did not receive a recall for the aircond system either.

but yes, if you're happy to deal with the niggles of owning a conti, go for it. personally have never owned a non-conti, but the peugeot is a whole new ball game.

Ah. I just had an interest debate with my cousin the other day.

Safety is important. Are continental car's safer? Maybe. They do feel better in terms of driving confidence and dynamics

But, my cousin mentioned that reliability must be factored in as a safety item. A car that is safe, should score well on safety, and also reliability.

A car is dangerous if it breaks down. Like, my uncle's Ford Mondeo. Was it a top rated car in terms of safety? Yes. Was it reliable? No. Gearbox issues, ignition timing, Turbo leaks and etc. So overall, it is not as safe as it can be.

Lexus is the only brand I know that is as good as the Germans in terms of "feel". I own both at the same time, so, I can give a decent feedback.

I think safety wise the japanese and local cars already have catch-up with the europeans. Just a decade back its hard to find a car under 150k that has 5 star ncap, 6 airbags and ESC but now even the MyVi has them..

r u urgently need the turbo SUV ? can you wait till last quarter of this year ?
Proton SUV around 100k, hv more than what some of the above have, 1.8 turbo.

The EP6 has several design flaws and no stress test can reveal them immediately. Need at least several years then only show up. If u selling the car after 3-4 years then ok. Next buyer will suffer the most. My 3008 since new had several parts replaced when the car is barely 5 years old. In 12 months, it sat at the workshop for 3 months.

Yes I am, but purely based on my experience hearing from ex-owners, from workshops, and from claims from people supposedly in the know that certain Japanese cars that were tested under NCAP conditions are re-launched in ASEAN region with changed (weaker) internals. Plus, I take consideration of the automotive culture that is Europe vs Japan. In Europe, regulatory mandates for both emission & safety is higher than in Japan, plus the culture in terms of speed is different, in Europe speed is celebrated (like in Germany), but in Japan, it is capped. These affect the design approach in both region.

But hey, don't take it from my word because I don't have proof in numbers/black & white, it is all based on my experience and exposure. My personal decision is to mitigate my risks and err at caution when it comes to safety. Based on what I've personally heard and see, I cannot be in good conscience recommend something I do not believe in, hence why I will recommend Continentals over Japanese.
And you can of course do the same as per your own belief and convictions, and in turn bear the risks/consequences (or reap the rewards) attached to such a decision .

They did, they have tested both highways and B roads to simulate real world usage. I recall someone from either Nasim or PSA remarked that our road conditions are much worse than most ASEAN countries, so they will be testing future ASEAN cars in Malaysia before launching. But again, unless a log is furnished (something I definitely cannot produce) you can claim that it's all marketing speak, and it is understandable. We'll wait and see for real world results?

EP6 indeed had several design flaws, but many has been rectified throughout the 2nd and 3rd iteration. I'm sure there are still issues but mostly its in the auxiliary components due to skimping of materials and/or lack of ability to acclimatize well in our country's terrible heat & humidity. Mine may not be a good comparison, but it is EP6 based nonetheless. I've been using mine for 100+k km, 4 years, zero issues with turbo. Only on HPFP which has since have been improved under recall, and the diverter plastic adapter which is a notorious problem for PSA & VAG turbos (this I one major cost related issue which IMO shouldn't have happened in the first place).

Mine after recall even worse. Now suffering from turbo underboost and high FC.

Worse engine ever. Even BMW gave up on it.

That is odd, because after recalled most that I know had no issues. Do you mind telling me where did you send it to?
I do not know of many SC, but I have a few whom I trust to solve issues, perhaps I can recommend. In any case after recall there should not be issues, provided of course the car is maintained regularly a per manufacturer requirement.

Other than the air-cond compressor (which admittedly is an issue plaguing most continental cars due to their lack of localization experience) the rest to my knowledge aren't big issues anymore.
My brother's 5 year old Pug 308 doesn't have any of these problem. That said, I'm sure if a sampling is done, it is an issue that plagues other cars too (except older Jap cars that hardly have any sensors, like Vios or Altis which uses 20 year old engine technology ). Go to Honda FB page and you can find people complaining about HRV's absorber noise/fault, driveshaft issues, Honda Civic has air cond compressor issues too, etc. Whereas the majority complaints for Peugeot are mainly on the older cars (pre-2015), as well as people's "hearsay".

But really I think the hate towards Contis are initially warranted, but severely misplaced now despite the improvements/effort that have been made.
I mean look at Honda, they put exploding airbags into car, killed a couple of people, the outrage is minimal in Malaysia.
Kobe steel issues that affected Toyota (eventually cleared), Mazda, Honda also minimal outrage. Both issues are direct safety related.
The first mass introducer of CVTs, which is Honda, caused plenty of problem before the tech got matured, also minimal outrage.

The point I'm making is, Malaysians have (rightfully) grown up loving their Japanese cars, but are now allowing them to take advantage of their trust. And don't get me wrong, they were the pioneers in many things back in the past, but 10ish years ago, bouyed by their achievements (Toyota for example), they stopped innovating, stop giving back to the consumer, and focused on designing not to improve but to save money (and earn more). Their ethos of doing everything 'as efficient as possible' means that they rarely overengineer things. It is very evident, the so called 'reliable' cars are
- low tech 20 year old engine and 4 speed transmissions
- hardly any sensors which consequently means no active safety features
- "weight" saving that translated to lower gauge steel, etc
With the above, sure you get great reliability because there isn't anything to breakdown in the first place. And with the drivetrain used have been 20 years tested, every single kink has been ironed out. That is 'reliability' for you. Couple with great marketing, Malaysians lap up these pricey but aged vehicles with hotcakes, and with the high demand, high resale value is a byproduct.

On the flip side, due to regulatory requirements, continental were constantly forced to innovate and improve their engine, gearboxes, active and passive safety, etc. As a result:
- first to mass introduce low pressure turbos
- improvements in DCT
- all round sensors and driver assistance (now Honda trumpets their Honda Sensing, something made mandatory ages ago in Europe. Ford, Peugeot and subsequently Mazda thanks to their initial partnership with Ford had them couple of years ago before Honda)
- ABS, EBD, VSA/ESP/ESC all made their way into cheaper cars much earlier than Japanese equivalent (remember when the Vios and Camry finally had VSA?)
With the above, of course loads of issues came about. Because they are all new but not long term tested tech. But the point is, European car are driven to advancement, and as a consequence will have more until they eventually iron out all the issues. But at least your money paid is for real R&D that will make a difference when you actually need it, such as safety.

Naza @ Glenmarie

If you still have your car I'd ask you to bring it to the Technical Center at Glenmarie (not the SC which is the normal service side of things).
I haven't actually experienced issues with Glenmarie SC, but I've only been there once. Usually I get my stuff settled at Setia Alam or CS Euro in Butterworth (depends where I am).

Well it is Naza's loss, and unfortunately it is service and SC inconsistencies that is the lacking factor now, not the actual car. Nowhere close to the behemoth that is Honda and Toyota, sadly.

yeah ..i'm still waiting for that

Features wise it’s great for proton suv vs price factor. However how reliable is the Geely 1.8 turbo engine since it is their in-house development engine.