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 SUV with Turbo - comparison, crv, tucson, tiguan, 3008

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post Dec 11 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 9 2017, 10:10 PM)
just need some feedback regarding these 4 model of SUV with turbo (for new model or gen)
Honda CRV
Hyundai Tucson
Peugeot 3008
VW Tiguan


I haven"t go for test drive yet.

maybe u can comment or share some info regarding the powerful of engine, interior space, driving experience, maintenance etc..
but no need to discuss for resale value la
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I've only test drove the new CRV, so can't give real experience on the others.

All my cars (3x) are sedans (ranging from 1.5L to 2.4L), so that's my reference.

When driving the CRV i felt like I'm driving a sedan, but with higher seating position. I like it.
Power is as good as a 2.4L car, but for sure the FC will be much better due to the better efficiency of turbos + small CC
Interior you have lots of it. Dunno about the other SUV thought.

QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 10 2017, 09:51 AM)
All are tuned supposedly for efficiency , honestly between tiny turbo and bigger CC , my preference always bigger CC no turbo, instantaneous response to gas pedal , all turbos have boost lag
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Long time ago i had the same opinion, however after driving forced induction smaller CC, I would go for the forced induction.
More low end and flatter torque (this is more important for me than high RPM hp), better FC, lower road tax, easier to tune / remap for more power gains
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post Dec 11 2017, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 11 2017, 10:54 AM)
I've only test drove the new CRV, so can't give real experience on the others.

All my cars (3x) are sedans (ranging from 1.5L to 2.4L), so that's my reference.

When driving the CRV i felt like I'm driving a sedan, but with higher seating position. I like it.
Power is as good as a 2.4L car, but for sure the FC will be much better due to the better efficiency of turbos + small CC
Interior you have lots of it. Dunno about the other SUV thought.
Long time ago i had the same opinion, however after driving forced induction smaller CC, I would go for the forced induction.
More low end and flatter torque (this is more important for me than high RPM hp), better FC, lower road tax, easier to tune / remap for more power gains
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Thing with forced induction is the turbo has finite lifetime , the seals don't last forever , eventually it will start burning engine oil


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post Dec 11 2017, 05:16 PM

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Anyone know whats the latest promotion for Hyundai Tucson?
I only remember they give 3 years free service.

VW Tiguan last month they have rebate up to 14K, not sure still valid or not.

CRV and 3008 no promotion currently due to newly launched.

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post Dec 12 2017, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 11 2017, 11:27 AM)
Thing with forced induction is the turbo has finite lifetime , the seals don't last forever , eventually it will start burning engine oil
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normally how long the lifetime for turbo
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post Dec 12 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(skyp @ Dec 11 2017, 05:16 PM)
Anyone know whats the latest promotion for Hyundai Tucson?
I only remember they give 3 years free service.

VW Tiguan last month they have rebate up to 14K, not sure still valid or not.

CRV and 3008 no promotion currently due to newly launched.
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tucson give extra free service for another 2 yrs (so total is 5 yrs ) or can choose for bodykits

as for tiguan, a big discount is for test/demo car
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post Dec 12 2017, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 12 2017, 10:34 AM)
tucson give extra free service for another 2 yrs (so total is 5 yrs ) or can choose for bodykits

as for tiguan, a big discount is for test/demo car
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Wow, 5 years free service is good deal.
Probably save RM6-8K.

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post Dec 12 2017, 03:02 PM

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turbo car need 97 or juz stick to 95?
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post Dec 12 2017, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 11 2017, 10:54 AM)
I've only test drove the new CRV, so can't give real experience on the others.

All my cars (3x) are sedans (ranging from 1.5L to 2.4L), so that's my reference.

When driving the CRV i felt like I'm driving a sedan, but with higher seating position. I like it.
Power is as good as a 2.4L car, but for sure the FC will be much better due to the better efficiency of turbos + small CC
Interior you have lots of it. Dunno about the other SUV thought.
Long time ago i had the same opinion, however after driving forced induction smaller CC, I would go for the forced induction.
More low end and flatter torque (this is more important for me than high RPM hp), better FC, lower road tax, easier to tune / remap for more power gains
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On paper looks nice, but if want drive 2.4 power, will get 2.4 fuel consumption in general. The thermodynamic efficiency of engines didn't really change much despite adding a turbo charger.

And it could even be higher than the usual 2.4, so get your expectations right. Only on really light loads and light foot you get nice FC numbers, which most likely is really unrealistic driving.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Dec 12 2017, 03:43 PM)
On paper looks nice, but if want drive 2.4 power, will get 2.4 fuel consumption in general. The thermodynamic efficiency of engines didn't really change much despite adding a turbo charger.

And it could even be higher than the usual 2.4, so get your expectations right. Only on really light loads and light foot you get nice FC numbers, which most likely is really unrealistic driving.
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Factory fitted turbo are done to get larger n/a displacement power at a lower engine displacement.
A turbocharger increase the volumetric efficiency of the engine, and by re-using exhaust gas, you in a way improve thermal efficiency of the engine

Driving at full throttle to me is unrealistic driving, to me that's what you're saying.
Most of the time i'm on light load and partial throttle.

My expectations is right and so are the facts of the engine designers. Hence why we see more manufacturers jumping on the forced induction route.
Even F1 has gone to small CC forced induction.
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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 12 2017, 04:40 PM)
Factory fitted turbo are done to get larger n/a displacement power at a lower engine displacement.
A turbocharger increase the volumetric efficiency of the engine, and by re-using exhaust gas, you in a way improve thermal efficiency of the engine

Driving at full throttle to me is unrealistic driving, to me that's what you're saying.
Most of the time i'm on light load and partial throttle.

My expectations is right and so are the facts of the engine designers. Hence why we see more manufacturers jumping on the forced induction route.
Even F1 has gone to small CC forced induction.
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What you say is true, volumetric efficiency, car manufacturers favourite term when it comes to turbocharging. But what they don't tell you is air fuel ratio remains and most of the time is a little worse than NA as more fuel is required for cylinder cooling. Go too lean (less fuel injected), you get pinging and chances of pinging in turbo cars are much higher due to the elevated combustion chamber temperature.

Turbocharging enhances engine response, that i don't deny. But improve FC, not really.

The only time where these small turbo-ed engine definitely win in FC is during heavy traffic/traffic jam where majority of time is around idle rpm range. Smaller cc engine, lesser mass, lesser energy/fuel to keep it running.

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TS, is there any reason u looking for SUV with turbo only?

Just curious

This post has been edited by gacktleong: Dec 12 2017, 05:30 PM
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post Dec 12 2017, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Dec 12 2017, 05:29 PM)
TS, is there any reason u looking for SUV with turbo only?

Just curious
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Just my personal taste.
Use to drive 2.0 n/a suv, feel underpower
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post Dec 12 2017, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 12 2017, 10:32 AM)
normally how long the lifetime for turbo
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Depends on how much you want to spend on engine oil

Cheaper , faster dead, more expensive , last longer
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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 12 2017, 08:36 PM)
Just my personal taste.
Use to drive 2.0 n/a suv, feel underpower
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Agree with you.
I have Sportage GT 2011 and CR-V 2014, both 2.0 n.a.
Really feel under-power when overtaking on highway or driving uphill.

I did test drive CX-5 2.2D last month and felt the max torque from 2000 rpm onward is godsend.
But as you're looking for petrol turbo, can't really help you.
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post Dec 13 2017, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 12 2017, 10:32 AM)
normally how long the lifetime for turbo
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The smaller the engine, the turbo will need to work very hard unlike bigger turbo charged engine.

As for Peugeot 3008, many complaints of turbo failing after 1-5 to 2 years but older turbo SUVs like Airtrek only need to replace the turbo after 7-8 years.
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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 12 2017, 08:36 PM)
Just my personal taste.
Use to drive 2.0 n/a suv, feel underpower
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I see
Im actually driving a turbo car now, not a large turbo
But the fun of driving turbo is legit

Hope u get made ur decision on ur SUV sir
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post Dec 13 2017, 10:49 AM

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once u go turbo diesel u will never go back.
the torque is just hngghhhhh!!!!!!!!!
a perfect combo for suv as suv is heavier.
mileage is also very good for diesel

go test drive hyundai santa fe crdi, kia sorento crdi or cx5 2.2d
and u will know what i mean
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post Dec 13 2017, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(bob @ Dec 10 2017, 10:23 PM)
Feel sorry for u n ur pug.
Sometimes its base on luck too
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Nope, not luck.
another 3008 user reporting in,
its as bad as how acbc mentioned

items breaks at the same interval as my friend's 308 turbo same time purchase
as in radiator, gasket, gearbox, fuel, susp's, bearing, electronics, brakes, etc
15k repairs per year excl normal wear and tear.

1 gen later, another guy I know also had issues and instant sold after hearing from me.

Combo this with bad service centers, you will feel the motion and emotions

if u call that luck, I need 4D toto, sure win kau kau

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post Dec 13 2017, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(springfall @ Dec 13 2017, 12:19 PM)
Nope, not luck.
another 3008 user reporting in,
its as bad as how acbc mentioned

items breaks at the same interval as my friend's 308 turbo same time purchase
as in radiator, gasket, gearbox, fuel, susp's, bearing, electronics, brakes, etc
15k repairs per year excl normal wear and tear.

1 gen later, another guy I know also had issues and instant sold after hearing from me.

Combo this with bad service centers, you will feel the motion and emotions

if u call that luck, I need 4D toto, sure win kau kau
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My Peugeot 308 cost me more than 20K to fix last year.
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When i try to sell, cant even sell for 20K. bangwall.gif

So now i decided to keep it as secondary car.

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