hahaha just a point for discussion, no need to take offence geh bro. let me ask around on its launching date, price, specs, etc.

huh? I thought Mazda defining model is the CX5? Not Mazda 3 kan. That is why CKD also dun wan entertain.

Means you say it la.

It is just like saying "no disrespect, but he look ugly"

I add no disrespect in front does not mean i didn't say he dun look ugly, kan? kan?

It isn't a problem until it is a problem

If CBU? I don' think i want to call that a price hike. It will be a price adjustment

Rumor brah rumor.

You all buy more now and it might change Bermaz management mind.

If no more CKD Mazda 3 the upside is that we may get the new Mazda 3 with SkyActiv-X engine faster through CBU.

The downside is that price will go up substantially.

Depends also, if they bring in limited units, it will be slow to get your car also
See how Bermaz plays this lo.

I also think there is plans for CKD, like we've seen in the past before (as observed with Mazda 6 in the past).
Bring in CBU with higher price, CKD and remove some trim.

I mean in the whole context of the mazda range worldwide, but CX5 maybe in recent history. But could continue to be in the future if they focus and refined the future CX5 generations the right way.

I think not really don't want to entertain CKD, but more like want to free up the production line so can produce more CX5 locally. If really that unprofitable, long ago ditch the mazda3 CKD and end the line before the facelift.

Could be infrastructure constrains as locally also assembly CX5 for some regional countries. If mazda assembly operation can go independent away from HICOM/Inokom, the production operation could expand further. But again still depending on market demand....

Who knows, maybe got some sort of a weird SKD loophole method that the korean brands can manage to secure. After all, the korean assembly operation and mazda is under HICOM/Inokom facilities.

CBU import can adjust quickly to demand.

Just to be clear Mazda 3 is already CKD here but somebody speculated that the CKD will be stopped. Mazda 6 is still CBU.

Hi guys, anything I need to be aware of when doing tyre alignment/balancing outside of Mazda SC? I remember the SA told me something to take note off when doing the alignment during my last service but I forgot what he told me already...

Never driven a CBU car before.

will a CBU mazda 3 be substantially superior than a CKD mazda 3?

except for the price. it's supposed to be the same isn't it? minus the trimmed specs.

Make more of what is your best seller mah, that is a normal thing.

You can't have your cake and still eat it.

So, you need to deal with the fact that it will be pricier. Just don't start comparing it to the cheaper korean cars with more features and stuff.

CKD used to mean something different to the local manufacturers. Last time CKD is termed as what we call SKD now where cars are brought in as complete as possible and only the bumpers are painted and / or installed here on the assembly line. This was just to take advantage of some loopholes in the past for the manufacturers benefit or something.

Currently, CKD could possibly mean parts localisation where certain pretty general parts like some trim pieces or something could be sourced locally to reduce costs of making the car.

With this, then there is sure some differences in quality. For those who have tried between a CKD and CBU Merc would have been able to tell there are differences however subtle they are. Even if not for parts, the process or the way it is assembled could have some affects on the car.

This post has been edited by KnightSports: Dec 4 2018, 05:37 PM

I see, thanks for your explanation.

In that case, it depends on how much the price reduction will be, if it's a mere couple of thousands, might as well opt for the cbu version with non-subpar installation/parts etc that you will have to compromise.

Unfortunately not everyone thinks like you. Majority of the market will care less and buy the cheaper one and then opt to complain about it instead.

Trust me, without fail every time.

This.. The average/mass car Malaysian buyer primarily only cares about pricing.. I can see why. But we really need to step up on the voting with our wallets. Force the change.. No more barebone specced cars.

I don't mind bare bone spec'ed cars from existing. There might be people who wants the RM24k cheap Axia for personal reasons.

But, the point to make is to have options. I am not asking to have how the US or UK have spec list on their cars which you can tick and personalise to your own fancy. But, a little more variety would be good. Like Mazda 3 for example has 2 trim levels for sedan but only 1 variation for hatchback. What makes the hatchback justified to only have 1 spec available?

Malaysia car buying is you like you buy, you tak suka you keluar.

Maybe another way to think of it is the After Sales / Maintenance is streamlined.
Easier to manage and also keep track of stock / parts?

Also easier to train engineers/foreman to keep cost down.

Just my 2 cents..

This post has been edited by linkin182: Dec 5 2018, 09:56 AM

Production line wise, of course it is the case that where they have a more streamlined processing and less trouble trying to keep tabs of what they need to build. They only need to build cars by batches and that keeps their parts inventory easy to manage especially using the JIT way of stocking inventory needed.

After sales and maintenance wise, i doubt so because whatever that can be introduced are not major components that are critical to the car. Not like they are offering 50 different stereo sets with 50 different speaker configurations. So, it should not be too much of a hassle to after sales and service with the exception of keeping parts available all the time.

The costs part is a known fact all along. As cost cutting procedures this measures were taken. We are not given options to choose and we are not given any freedom in how to get our cars, fact in reality. But since it was on the topic of voting with wallet, then why not make our cars option open. I think that is better, there might be people who want to buy a car sans stereo. There might be someone who wants to buy a car with steel rims. You never know right? Make it only 1 base model and then you spec from there from the basic stereo to car seats to whether you need a heater and all the way up to the trim levels.

Crazy talk anyways.

If only tried both CKD and CBU version back to back, if not really don't know where are the differences.

No way JIT on the local scale. IF really JIT, no need so big stock yard, almost push out the car straight out of assembly and can for certain know almost to the exact day when the car ordered will arrive at the dealership. Instead, what we now have is a guestimate of when the car will arrive or already sitting in the dealer yard as excess order.

I only tried before W212 Merc both a CKD and CBU back to back before. But even so it was like an E200 CKD vs an E250 CBU i think and there were differences just by the car going through the bumps.

So, my general presumption is that there will be differences either through differences in manufacturing or the quality of components used through localisation.

The problem with the wait and estimate waiting time is not really due to the JIT or whatever. The JIT happens regardless because for one they don't want to stockpile so many parts which is burden on their cashflow. They also do not want to get so much space just to stock up the parts warehouse if it was not for immediate use.

Then here comes the kicker because chassis needs to be painted and as the cars nowadays goes through baths instead of just normal spray process. They do the production run in batches and this could mean batches of a model or an entire batch of multiple models one run at a time in one single colour. Then they need to do this by gauging the amount of orders countrywide which means locked down sales or orders before they decide to do which run.

So, the wait is inevitably there because if there is no orders for a particular colour it will result in a longer wait before they do a run of the colour.

Whether the dealer want to burden their own cashflow by stocking up weird colours of any particular model or trim level or any combination of any kind in their backyard is totally their own issue.

If you happen to chance on one which has something you want in immediate stock, then you are lucky la.