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 PROPERTY MARKET TO BE BADLY HIT IN 2018, Tekan the greedy sellers to the max!

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icemanfx
post Nov 15 2017, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Nov 15 2017, 12:39 PM)
Malaysia should have few house market indicators for transparent economies, such as,

Monthly new home sales
Monthly Pending home sales
Monthy homeownership rate
Monthly Existing home sales
Monthly Building permit

The government already have all these DATA on hand, they can compile it anytime and make it public. This would guide for better understanding of Malaysia property direction, either for locals and foreigners.
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Most people buy on sentiment/peers pressure/herd behaviour/blinded by greed, numbers is meaningless to them.

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post Nov 15 2017, 01:17 PM

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I think our economy is recovering instead of going downhill. Oil price is going up and retail spending is getting better. China is pumping more money here. Many mega infra projects such as hsr and rts will start pretty soon.

I guess just guessing the impact of rumahwip or prima is taking effect in this segment . Most of the rumahwip or prima are selling well and the supply is enormous. Those who think of buying condo to flip or rent out will suffer .


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post Nov 15 2017, 01:24 PM

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Play contrarian mindset mah. Market down lelong buy cheap2, hold for few yrs market up cycle then disposed/keep for yields.

But i believe affluent market like ttdi bangsar kenny tunku d.heights mk still holding well.
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Nov 15 2017, 01:17 PM)
I think our economy is recovering instead of going downhill. Oil price is going up and retail spending is getting better. China is pumping more money here. Many mega  infra projects such as hsr  and rts will start pretty soon.

I guess just guessing the impact of rumahwip  or prima  is taking effect in this segment . Most of the rumahwip  or prima are selling well and the supply is enormous. Those who think of buying condo to flip or rent out will suffer .
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Current oil price is unlikely to rise further. most china funded projects flow back to china, local benefit little. mrt2 construction add little cash to the general public.

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post Nov 15 2017, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 15 2017, 08:24 AM)
Another view.

PETALING JAYA: Real estate players say its unlikely that the property market will take a “terrible hit” in 2018 as predicted by property expert Ernest Cheong.

They said that the “facts and figures” pointed to a less negative outlook.

Yesterday, Cheong, a real estate veteran, said 2018 looked to be a tough year as developers and homeowners would find it hard to find buyers, and this could lead to a crash as consumers did not have the financial power to own homes.

Cheong had said this in the wake of Deputy Finance Minister Lee Chee Leong’s revelation that unsold completed residential units rose by 40% to 20,807 units in the first half of 2017 compared with the same period last year.

Henry Butcher Malaysia chief operating officer Tang Chee Meng told FMT that although the market was sluggish and that the stock of unsold houses could possibly increase in 2018, some projects priced under RM500,000, as well as those above that price range in popular locations, were still enjoying good take-up rates.

“So for anyone to say that the market will crash next year is a bit too pessimistic,” said Tang, adding it was important to note that the numbers didn’t paint such a bleak scenario.

For one, he said Malaysia’s economy was projected to grow between 5.0% and 5.5% next year. He also said there had not been any major retrenchment exercises, compared with a couple of years ago, when thousands in the aviation, oil and gas and finance industries lost their jobs.

Tang also pointed out that there had not been a significant rise in nonperforming loans (NPLs) or a substantial rise in foreclosed properties put up for auction.

“NPLs will go up only if borrowers are facing financial difficulties in servicing their loans and this will only happen if their businesses go bust or if they lose their jobs.”

But based on the latest economic data available, Tang said the employment situation, as well as the outlook for the business sector, did not appear to be so negative. This, he said, should provide overall confidence to investors and should support a stable property market.

He added that a number of developers had refocused their attention on the affordable homes segment, which should continue to enjoy stable growth in 2018, and that this would help developers overcome the sluggish market.

Tang also said some investors could also be holding back their purchases pending the outcome of the next general election (GE14).

Prices unlikely to drop

Meanwhile, the Penang Real Estate and Housing Developers’ Association’s immediate chairman, Jerry Chan, said it was unlikely that developers would drop their prices unless they were in financial trouble.

“But, most developers have been around for some time, had a good run and would’ve anticipated the current market slowdown. So I don’t think they have their backs against the wall.”

Chan told FMT the reality was that developers couldn’t afford to bring prices down because their margins were low, and would be more likely to change their products to meet the market’s requirements rather than just drop prices.

“You will see developers maybe making smaller units or putting less finishings. We can only lower prices if the authorities lower compliance costs such as levies, taxes and affordable housing requirements.”

In the past, some property experts had pointed out that forcing private developers to build affordable housing units, which were sold below market rate, would only force them to increase the prices of their other projects to cover the losses.

Chan said that the demand for housing would continue to persist and that consumers would always find ways to buy a home, whether through finding additional income sources or lowering their expectations of a home.

“I don’t see prices dropping more than they already have. When the market was at its peak, some developers set ridiculous prices and when the market slowed down, they dropped their prices a bit.

“But does this really mean that they dropped their real prices or merely slashed their inflated prices?”

He also dismissed the likelihood of a crash in 2018, citing strong exports, returning investor confidence, and the lack of mass retrenchments.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...h.v3VbVaSw.gbpl
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This is from BBB and UUU camp biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 15 2017, 01:38 PM)
Current oil price is unlikely to rise further. most china funded projects flow back to china, local benefit little. mrt2 construction add little cash to the general public.
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sure boh?
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post Nov 15 2017, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(asiabrickfields @ Nov 15 2017, 01:24 PM)
Play contrarian mindset mah. Market down lelong buy cheap2, hold for few yrs market up cycle then disposed/keep for yields.

But i believe affluent market like ttdi bangsar kenny tunku d.heights mk still holding well.
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this one...opportunist rclxms.gif
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post Nov 15 2017, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 14 2017, 06:37 PM)
beli 9 hartanah dan hari ini menderita nak beli susu + pampers anak pun tak mampu


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padan muka tamak people.
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post Nov 15 2017, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Nov 15 2017, 01:46 PM)
This is from BBB and UUU camp  biggrin.gif
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Yup and this type of discussion, argue until cows come home also no end.

Repeat enough BBB, one day will come true.

Repeat enough DDD, one day will come true.

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QUOTE(mohdkakarot @ Nov 15 2017, 01:49 PM)
padan muka tamak people.
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But hor, if he manages to hold, in 7-10 years down the road, he will be laughing to the bank?
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post Nov 15 2017, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Nov 15 2017, 01:47 PM)
sure boh?
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Time will tell.

QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 15 2017, 01:56 PM)
But hor, if he manages to hold, in 7-10 years down the road, he will be laughing to the bank?
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If he could afford to hold, his kids milk powder won't be an issue. IF

QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 15 2017, 01:54 PM)
Yup and this type of discussion, argue until cows come home also no end.

Repeat enough BBB, one day will come true.

Repeat enough DDD, one day will come true.

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The trick is to buy and sell before the herd.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Nov 15 2017, 02:58 PM
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post Nov 15 2017, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 15 2017, 01:56 PM)
But hor, if he manages to hold, in 7-10 years down the road, he will be laughing to the bank?
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maybe true. but at the expense of him and his child's health and well being. He got freaking 12 prop, let go 3-4 i think should be enough to support his family and hold the others and still be able to laugh to the bank later
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QUOTE(mohdkakarot @ Nov 15 2017, 02:18 PM)
maybe true. but at the expense of him and his child's health and well being. He got freaking 12 prop, let go 3-4 i think should be enough to support his family and hold the others and still be able to laugh to the bank later
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Provided if he can let goes 3-4 at profit and still have $ left after paying banks.

How many of these over stretched investors are around?


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post Nov 15 2017, 04:38 PM

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You will be save as long as you can hold your investment but sorry to those who can't hold to the investment as market become tougher and it is just reality as situation far from getting better as you can notice company are getting VSS and mass cost cutting measure to company restructuring.

China is not a fool to keep investing without profit as the money invested plus profit will one day flow back to China.
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QUOTE(David_77 @ Nov 15 2017, 01:56 PM)
But hor, if he manages to hold, in 7-10 years down the road, he will be laughing to the bank?
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if drop 15% in 5 years than up 18% in another 5 years, after 10 years bank laugh but you cry...

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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Nov 15 2017, 07:10 PM)
if drop 15% in 5 years than up 18% in another 5 years, after 10 years bank laugh but you cry...
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Why not? Although so far the popoti price is upwards trend (even if it’s just due to inflation only, as someone keeps repeating).

Now, if he bought 🍋, then lain cerita lor.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 14 2017, 11:22 PM)
Even got 5% investable properties....how many of 5% can we afford to buy to invest?
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how many depends on everyone affordability, investment goal, gameplan. Don’t nid to all in for the 5%. Pick those that suits your plan. No need to follow what ppl buy. What they get may not suit u or me too

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Don't know how long already said properties market down down..

I don't see real bloodbath yet devil.gif

Price dropped 30%.. Then we talk..


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yaloh, it wont drop drastically like Spore properties like share market
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 15 2017, 08:37 PM)
Don't know how long already said properties market down down..

I don't see real bloodbath yet devil.gif

Price dropped 30%.. Then we talk..
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Some already dropped 30% or more from peak.....

But no enough to create a bloodbath on the street.

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