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 PROPERTY MARKET TO BE BADLY HIT IN 2018, Tekan the greedy sellers to the max!

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post Nov 15 2017, 08:24 AM

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Another view.

PETALING JAYA: Real estate players say its unlikely that the property market will take a “terrible hit” in 2018 as predicted by property expert Ernest Cheong.

They said that the “facts and figures” pointed to a less negative outlook.

Yesterday, Cheong, a real estate veteran, said 2018 looked to be a tough year as developers and homeowners would find it hard to find buyers, and this could lead to a crash as consumers did not have the financial power to own homes.

Cheong had said this in the wake of Deputy Finance Minister Lee Chee Leong’s revelation that unsold completed residential units rose by 40% to 20,807 units in the first half of 2017 compared with the same period last year.

Henry Butcher Malaysia chief operating officer Tang Chee Meng told FMT that although the market was sluggish and that the stock of unsold houses could possibly increase in 2018, some projects priced under RM500,000, as well as those above that price range in popular locations, were still enjoying good take-up rates.

“So for anyone to say that the market will crash next year is a bit too pessimistic,” said Tang, adding it was important to note that the numbers didn’t paint such a bleak scenario.

For one, he said Malaysia’s economy was projected to grow between 5.0% and 5.5% next year. He also said there had not been any major retrenchment exercises, compared with a couple of years ago, when thousands in the aviation, oil and gas and finance industries lost their jobs.

Tang also pointed out that there had not been a significant rise in nonperforming loans (NPLs) or a substantial rise in foreclosed properties put up for auction.

“NPLs will go up only if borrowers are facing financial difficulties in servicing their loans and this will only happen if their businesses go bust or if they lose their jobs.”

But based on the latest economic data available, Tang said the employment situation, as well as the outlook for the business sector, did not appear to be so negative. This, he said, should provide overall confidence to investors and should support a stable property market.

He added that a number of developers had refocused their attention on the affordable homes segment, which should continue to enjoy stable growth in 2018, and that this would help developers overcome the sluggish market.

Tang also said some investors could also be holding back their purchases pending the outcome of the next general election (GE14).

Prices unlikely to drop

Meanwhile, the Penang Real Estate and Housing Developers’ Association’s immediate chairman, Jerry Chan, said it was unlikely that developers would drop their prices unless they were in financial trouble.

“But, most developers have been around for some time, had a good run and would’ve anticipated the current market slowdown. So I don’t think they have their backs against the wall.”

Chan told FMT the reality was that developers couldn’t afford to bring prices down because their margins were low, and would be more likely to change their products to meet the market’s requirements rather than just drop prices.

“You will see developers maybe making smaller units or putting less finishings. We can only lower prices if the authorities lower compliance costs such as levies, taxes and affordable housing requirements.”

In the past, some property experts had pointed out that forcing private developers to build affordable housing units, which were sold below market rate, would only force them to increase the prices of their other projects to cover the losses.

Chan said that the demand for housing would continue to persist and that consumers would always find ways to buy a home, whether through finding additional income sources or lowering their expectations of a home.

“I don’t see prices dropping more than they already have. When the market was at its peak, some developers set ridiculous prices and when the market slowed down, they dropped their prices a bit.

“But does this really mean that they dropped their real prices or merely slashed their inflated prices?”

He also dismissed the likelihood of a crash in 2018, citing strong exports, returning investor confidence, and the lack of mass retrenchments.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...h.v3VbVaSw.gbpl
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Nov 15 2017, 01:46 PM)
This is from BBB and UUU camp  biggrin.gif
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Yup and this type of discussion, argue until cows come home also no end.

Repeat enough BBB, one day will come true.

Repeat enough DDD, one day will come true.

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QUOTE(mohdkakarot @ Nov 15 2017, 01:49 PM)
padan muka tamak people.
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But hor, if he manages to hold, in 7-10 years down the road, he will be laughing to the bank?
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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Nov 15 2017, 07:10 PM)
if drop 15% in 5 years than up 18% in another 5 years, after 10 years bank laugh but you cry...
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Why not? Although so far the popoti price is upwards trend (even if it’s just due to inflation only, as someone keeps repeating).

Now, if he bought 🍋, then lain cerita lor.
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Nov 17 2017, 09:27 AM)
Somebody got super butthurt by this news.

Must be a sohai property agent who cannot stand bad news, insists negative property news is irrelevant in Property Talk. Only good news news is allowed to help him cari makan.
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Cari makan mah. So can only accept good views 😂
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https://www.facebook.com/PTLMalaysia/posts/1762793643739404

Now will have shortage of supply???
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post Nov 17 2017, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 17 2017, 03:16 PM)
There will be shortage after oversupply is digested. The question is after how many years?

Banning new approval with effects those developer that bought land bank for development. Unless lands were bought without borrowing, it could be a burden. On the other hand, developer could change design to avoid ban.
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Huh? 2 paragraphs only nia?

Crap! I thought longer opinions/comments. Wasted my data to post this for you.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 17 2017, 04:05 PM)
Above 1 million sifu.

Developer also smart. They cut down size and sell 3XXk 650 sqft 2 bedroom, 4XXk 850 sqft 3 bedroom project. Still can create BBB scene.
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No lah. It’s for Ice’s benefit. Wanting to gain from her insights but only got two paragraphs.

But anyway, she’s not far off lah. Even BN is sounding warning now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/11517943520...58472290873183/

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post Nov 20 2017, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(R o Y @ Nov 20 2017, 12:00 PM)
Below is the JPPH link to download the NAPIC 2017 H2 report:

http://napic.jpph.gov.my/portal/web/guest/...leUploadId=5087

I would like to share the tables below, so you may determine for yourself if its all doom and gloom, or if the market has bottomed:

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Above shows the transacted value data for the past 6 quarters (Q1 2016 - Q2 2017) for KL and Malaysia. I have highlighted the Residential Data since that's what most of us are concerned about here

JPPH data shows that KL Property market has already been in recovery since Q4 2016

H1 2017 vs H1 2016 shows an increase in transacted value of 19%

All the recent news on the report has only looked at the overall Malaysia picture. None that I've seen so far have highlighted the recovery for KL market. If you talk to any active Agent or REN covering KL area, the KL figures wont come as a surprise. We've already experienced the recovery happening this year

Unfortunately, the rest of the states still flat or dropping. However they may start to follow KL's trend soon

I believe some are still adopting a "wait-and-see" attitude for their property purchase hoping that prices will drop further next year. If planing to buy somewhere in KL, then perhaps shouldn't wait any longer
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While overall (for residential) looks good but to derive conclusion from the genral overview is too simplistic.

After all, we only have very limited bullets to buy certain type of residential unit and in certain areas.

Would be good if more breakdown is provided (i.e. landed/condo/apartment; leasehold/freehold/; mixed-development?; areas etc).


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LOL! Malaysia Boleh rclxms.gif

Everyone can rilek now.

KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 20): In an apparent U-turn over a freeze on approvals for luxury property developments, Putrajaya on Monday (Nov 20) said the green light for such projects will still be given but on a case-by-case basis.

Works Minister Datuk Fadillah Yusof said although the decision was taken by the Cabinet following a recent report by Malaysia’s central bank on an oversupply of high-end properties, the freeze does not involve all projects.

“This is not a blanket stop order… The government is (instead) sending a message to developers to study whether there will be (sufficient demand for a project) before they decide (to proceed),” he said.

“If you sell RM1 million (S$326,000) condo (units) located in (unattractive) areas, it may not attract buyers. But if you sell RM4 million condominiums around the Kuala Lumpur Convention Centre (KLCC) area, you will definitely get buyers, especially among expatriates,” he said in reference to the prime real estate area in the middle of the capital city.

Mr Fadhillah believed being selective in approving high-end real estate developments will help address the country’s property glut in the luxury segment.

His comments come a day after his cabinet colleague, Second Finance Minister Datuk Seri Johari Abdul Ghani, said Putrajaya has temporarily frozen approvals for luxury property developments since Nov 1 due to a glut in the sector.

The temporary freeze affects shopping malls as well as commercial and residential developments which sell units at RM1 million (S$326,000) and above.

“This will be in place until we clear all the excess supply,” said Mr Johari on Sunday.

“There is a stark imbalance between supply and demand and we have to review the strategy in terms of real estate development as we do not want such situation to adversely affect the economy.”

In its report, the central bank warned that Malaysia’s property market is facing an oversupply of non-affordable homes and idle commercial space, while demand for affordable housing is not being met.

There were 130,690 unsold units at the end of March this year, with 83% priced at above RM250,000. Sixty one percent of the unsold properties comprise of high-rise apartments.

The central bank pointed out Johor has the largest share of unsold residential units, followed by Selangor, Kuala Lumpur and Penang.

“This situation could worsen if the current supply-demand conditions persist. Within the country, Johor is poised to have the largest property market imbalances (highest number of unsold residential properties and potentially the largest excess supply of retail space).

“As such, it is timely for all parties to act now to mitigate any potential risks to macroeconomic and financial stability,” online news portal Malaysiakini quoted the central bank as saying.

Last Friday (Nov 17) central bank governor Tan Sri Muhammad Ibrahim said imbalances in the property market posed significant risks to the country’s economy.

Allaying concerns, Mr Johari said the government will continue to drive the development of affordable homes, specifically those priced below RM300,000 each, which were in short supply.

He said demand for affordable homes stood at 48% while supply is only at 28%.

Following the central bank’s report, the Johor state government is considering to relax restrictions on foreign home ownership to reduce the glut of unsold properties in the state.

Currently, foreigners can only buy houses priced at over RM1 million.The southern state is also mulling giving incentives to developers to encourage them to build properties between RM150,000 and RM400,000, said housing and local government executive councillor Md Jais Sarday.

“Maybe we can look at relaxing the requirements based on the size of the houses. We need to come up with a mechanism to address these issues,” The Star Online quoted him as saying.

Source: http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/utur...ls-not-absolute
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2017, 09:27 AM)
after u wait for the whole township to fully developed and appreciate by small margin... the 100k paper gain gone down the drain already.... agent will keep ask u... whats your SPA price...? after discount price? u wanna sell at gain? impossible la.... unless u are talking about landed... high-rise in undeveloped township.... is god bless america....  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Cy****a*a?
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2017, 09:42 AM)
those older ones and nearer to the active town area one not bad geh for rental play... appreciation stagnant after bull-run aje...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif newer high-rise tak boleh pakai langsung...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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but new projects continue to be launched. ok, ok, i better stop, else this kena turn to another Cy****a*a thread discussion again rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(pearl_white @ Nov 23 2017, 12:37 PM)
I would also add from a human being point of view.  Investing in property has been ... viewed as an achievement in one's life ...  I am a property investor title. 
But many failed to consider at when one is at 60/70 years old, would they rather have

1) 3 properties, rm1 million in cash

or

2) 1 property for own stay, or rm5 million in cash
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at 60, I want to have 3 properties and rm1 million in cash.

placing the rm1 million in FD (@ 3% p.a on monthly rest), I will have monthly RM9656.07 to spend and it will reached zero at end of ten year.

then at 70, i will sell two properties, keep one to stay and have another rm2 million or rm3 million to last till end of day.

But it's just me. i always prefer delay gratifications biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 23 2017, 01:25 PM)
Boss 3% of 1m generating 9656.07 per mth??? 🤔
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"placing the rm1 million in FD (@ 3% p.a on monthly rest), I will have monthly RM9656.07 to spend and it will reached zero at end of ten year."

hope it's clearer. of course, 3% on RM1 million won't be RM9656 rclxs0.gif

anyway, attached the excel. can see if i make a mistake on the assumption?
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QUOTE(n0thing @ Nov 23 2017, 01:43 PM)
3% of 1m is 30k so it's 2.5k a month.
ok, retirement plan fail
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QUOTE(urbanite @ Nov 23 2017, 01:47 PM)
I think he means drawdown of principal + interest. At Y10, the amount will be zero, if you draw RM9k+ per month.
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lol! at least you urbanite read and try to digest. Even boss ManutdGiggs sought clarification.

But the bodoh nothing is really kosong doh.gif

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QUOTE(hhho @ Nov 23 2017, 02:17 PM)
Good retirement plan!
Thank for sharing
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Welcome but it’s very simplistic, so take it with a lot of salt 😂
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 23 2017, 02:20 PM)
i guess by 60... maybe i will left only 1 property for own stay... have to cash out the others for my kids education funding... haha... or maybe to help them out if they are in trouble after graduated... lolz...

but your scenario is good to have too  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif monthly 9.6k is more than enough to spend for an old man... or even pair of old couple...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Lol! Greedy mah 😂

As for the kids, let them work it out first (masih ada 2 more properties to give them at later stage)
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 23 2017, 02:21 PM)
Soli soli siudai bad. I slapped myself twice liao 😅😅😅
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No lah Boss. At least you give me the benefit of doubt. Kamsiah 🙏
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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 23 2017, 04:44 PM)
Boss, other than monthly withdrawal from RM1m, 2 properties can still generate rental, more than RM9k ++++++, househ!
Typical Bao Zhou Gong life...
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If wife needs to look like this.... need to re-think the strategy rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 23 2017, 07:04 PM)
Ooi ppl when young was quite OK wan la. Tis ciggy wifey can generate income n fight off opponents wei

Not bad la 😂😂😂
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True also. Can ensure rental collection on time too 😂

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