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post Nov 5 2008, 05:27 AM

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I got one question. Does perception affect accuracy in VATS?
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post Nov 5 2008, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(cracksys @ Nov 5 2008, 05:32 AM)
you're losing sleep because of FO3 eh?

i'll answer that after i finished my practical period. but reading wise, someone says affect with no significance.
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post Nov 5 2008, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 5 2008, 08:45 AM)
Quite a few oledi start playing eventhough it not yet arrive the usual way. So sad that piracy FTW, again. Have 2 wait for november 11th to get my copy.
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So shall we wait until the ori copy here den only start playing? Don't be so prejudiced that we'll not buy the game after playing the ahem version. smile.gif

PS: I will NOT buy the game for my own reasons - don't want to support Bethesda for raping the fallout franchise.
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post Nov 5 2008, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Nov 5 2008, 08:02 PM)
Strange, I can do that. VATS sometimes crash on my PC.
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What's your stats? I have small arms at 92 and still can't hit shit beyond 10 meters.
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post Nov 5 2008, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Nov 5 2008, 09:10 PM)
I think you need commando, sniper and concentrated fire. Concentrated fire is best because it stacks up to +15% regardless of how far the guy is.

But you can snipe better without using VATS, just play it FPS-style like Crysis. 92 small guns really shoot straight. Even if the mutant is super far until VATS cannot target, you can get 3 headshots in a row by manual sniping.
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I got commando but it doens't make any difference. Sniper can't take, cos it needs 6 perception and I only have 3 sad.gif
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post Nov 6 2008, 12:46 AM

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That's my main beef with combat in FO3. I run like a snail when even super mutants sprint faster than me. Sheesh! And the stuttering is so bad that I can hardly aim. And VATS is shit too unless its in point blank range.

Combat is dissapointing in FO3.
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post Nov 6 2008, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Nov 6 2008, 01:12 AM)
i'm enjoying this game and i am really sick of those die hard fan whining  and complaining, if you don't like it don't play it la.
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Feel free to report all complaining posts. I'm sure smart people would agree with you and ban us all from this forum.

New rule: We can only say good things about this game. Any negative criticism will be sliced, diced, swallowed and shit out whole. Oh and you'll be banned too.

Satisfied?

No? Ok here's more.

I HEART FALLOUT 3!!!! OHMYGODITSTHEBESTGAMEEVER!!!! GOREGOREGOREBLOWPEOPLEUPOHYESTHEYDIEILOVEITYESYESYES!!!!

THESTORYISGOOD!!!!!! *soggie struck by lightning for lying*

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oh a more constructive note... can anybody here with high perception confirm this? Is the sniper perk worth it? Worth it as in you can hit an enemy half a map away with a head shot with more than 50% accuracy. Okay I was exaggerating. Well at least hit an enemy 20 meters away would be nice. Right now without sniper, with a perception of 3, I only get like 20% chance on head shots and that's bugging me because there's a super mutant master (who the f*** thought of that name???) firing missiles up my ass on the roof.
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post Nov 6 2008, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Nov 6 2008, 02:01 AM)
you dislike this game yet you are playing it  shakehead.gif and you are not doing this thread any good by keep on complaining about the game
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Right, going by your logic, we shouldn't have any opposition in this country at all, because complaining and voicing dissatisfaction about government policies isn't going to do the economy good. we should all agree to everything and everybody says, because if we disagree, it won't do anything good.

Great! Tell that to Simon Cowell and tell them to make every contestant in American Idol a winner. Heck, don't even voice any negativity at all because this would cause the world to stop turning.

I salute your logic. Reminds me of somebody who once said "YOU TAK SUKA, YOU BALIK CHINA!!!!".

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Okay about perception, I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with accuracy, so far I tested. Seems like every gun has its own effective range and there's nothing you can do about it if you try to shoot beyond that range. Having said that, the sniper rifle seems awesome in mid range. Haven't tried it long range though, because even in mid range I get only 50% for head shots.
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post Nov 6 2008, 04:54 AM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Nov 6 2008, 04:36 AM)
no point arguing with people who cant accept changes
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yeah. its the same as arguing with people who have faulty logic. smile.gif

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Logic failure... logic failure... beep beep... MAIN QUEST SPOILERS!!!!

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Added on November 6, 2008, 7:13 amSexay pose!!!

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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Nov 6 2008, 08:37 AM)
Outcast are good or bad? Why should we kill 'em? sweat.gif
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They're jerks, calling me scavenger for hire. I have my pride you know? mad.gif
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post Nov 6 2008, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Nov 6 2008, 11:55 AM)
Sounds like you have a hard time with the combat system laugh.gif it's quite fun for many of us ex-FO1/2 players. Here are some of my observations why you might be struggling, I'm not a pro player but I found these things helpful.

[Perception] Yes you should get Sniper perk. Perception 3 is the main reason you are suffering because you can't get the perks, and you can't spot the enemy until they are pumping bullets into your backside.

[Long Range] VATS sniping, like you said, is not very good after mid range. You have to adjust your style depending on range. If the mutant is really far away, you turn on sneak (even tho with low skill, they won't detect you since too far). You just manual snipe using the scope. It's basically a free headshot if you hit them, and sometimes the AI just runs around confused so you can hit a few more.

[I'm being shot at!] If the mutant is shooting at you from midrange, terus run behind a wall out of their line of fire. Don't stand in the open and trade shots. Now you can play chicken-style, means you pop out of wall, open VATS with a rifle and unload, then hide behind wall again to recharge AP. Repeat.

[He's running at me!] If there is a shotgun or melee mutant, confirm he will charge onto you. Basically use a shotgun (or a geng SMG). Again hide behind a wall, wait for him to turn the corner, and then use VAT to pump shotgun into his head.
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I am a fan of turn-based and I was also a big fan of shooters since the days of Duke Nukem and Quake. Heck, last time my clan used to dominate the cybercafes of petaling street in Q3A, HL and CS. So trust me when I say this, if I can hit a target 100 meters away while turning 180 degrees in midair using a railgun, I am pretty confident that I can hold my own in any shooter game.

But in FO3, seems like nothing I do actually works. The graphics is choppy (maybe its because of my card... I'm using 8600M GT), meaning shooting in real time would be hard at best. So enter VATS. But no! It can only work in close to mid range (which is ridiculously close, like shooting from ground floor to third floor MAX). So in the end I stuck with shotguns for close range and sniper rifle for long range. And because sniper rifle bullets are scarce, I usually maneuver my way taking cover and so on to get close enough to gib 'em with the shotgun.

So yeah, 90% of the time I'm using the shotgun just because there's no guns more worthy than it (don't even get me started with the minigun...).

I've completely ditched VATS btw. Kinda regretted maxing my agility. Should have maxed charisma, intelligence and strength instead. Perception, agility and luck are practically useless.


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post Nov 6 2008, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(foogray @ Nov 6 2008, 06:21 PM)
If you're using the combat shotgun VATS is great for close range headshots. You can pretty much one hit kill raiders by getting close and popping them in the head with VATS. Almost always crits too. But yeah VATS is pretty useless with sniper rifles. Maybe try increasing your small arms skill? The stat that affects small guns is agility, not perception btw.

Me being pimp.
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My small arms skill is already 100 smile.gif


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QUOTE(qedx @ Nov 6 2008, 07:23 PM)
What's your small guns skill? Correct me if I'm wrong but those percentage numbers in VATS, they're still there outside of it. Your shooting is still gonna be shitty if your weapon skill is at 15%. Think of it this way: those shooters you played, they're fallout characters with 100% plus weapon skill.
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My small arms is 100%, my agility is 10. My weapon's condition is 70%.

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post Nov 6 2008, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(dfcloud @ Nov 6 2008, 08:52 PM)
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thx bro

anyway, y do ppl always complain bout vats at long range..
just throw a grenade, boom, prob settle.
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I would love to see you hit a sniper with a grenade from 100 meters away.

And besides, explosive skill is useless. I'm at 20+% and I kill stuff easily with frag mines. Phhtttt....
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post Nov 6 2008, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(dfcloud @ Nov 6 2008, 09:42 PM)
u do know that u can take cover rite?
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yes. and i know that pressing caps lock toggles between run and walk, Captain Obvious.
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QUOTE(dfcloud @ Nov 6 2008, 10:01 PM)
u got too much hate in u buddy biggrin.gif
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Yeah. I feel like a rape victim now. Shit. Shit never changes.

Museum of technology rocks. 3 stealth boys in a row! Wohoho.
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post Nov 6 2008, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Nov 6 2008, 10:54 PM)
There's quite a lot of good mods out there already, check out fallout3nexus.com

Anyways replaying at Very Hard difficulty with a mod or two, so much better than the first time playing imo smile.gif
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Any mods that slows down the enemy so that they move at the same speed as me? I'd tired of having enemies "flash step" across debris. I am a competent shot in Quake with a railgun and here I can't even hit a hulking flash stepping mutant. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lamely_named @ Nov 7 2008, 01:37 AM)
ITS SO DAM HARD TO SURVIVE OUT THERE.

big fire breathing antz, mega mutant, long range machine gun spammer.

they kill you in an instant.

I'm currently lvl 5 and the best gun I've got is an assault rifle with limited ammo.

Any advice on how to get better armor and better weapon without challenging big bosses?
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Ok here's what you need to do. Find Fort Independence. Go google for where it is. Once you reach, you should see a couple of raiders being mowed down by Outcasts. Talk to them, and work for them as a scavenger.

Now, turn the difficulty down to Very Easy (to conserve ammo), and then scour the wasteland. find places with lots of raiders and kill them for combat shotgun, assault rifle and chinese assault rifle. Once in a while you will find a patrol of Outcasts or Brotherhood. Follow them, and you should be able to encounter lots of free kills. And when they walk near car wrecks, blow up the car wreck and loot their corpses.

The main concern here is ammunition. Not that it is scarce, but rather because it takes so much ammo to mow down a single raider in Very Hard mode, which is ridiculous.
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QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Nov 7 2008, 02:16 AM)
I dislike shotgun due to its inadequate range. I play with energy weapons instead. If you can kill Brotherhood Outcasts for their laser rifles early in the game, you're all set. Only problem would be the lack of fusion cells.

Energy weapons strike a good balance between damage and range. And they're outrageously expensive too. Time for something new and improved!!!
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You kidding? I have like 500+ MF cells on me right now tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Spawnster @ Nov 7 2008, 03:41 PM)
wow....news have reported fallout 3 already sold 3.7million copies across all platforms. so love it or hate it...it's a commercial success.
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Yep. Star Wars prequels were panned by critics worldwide but managed to top the charts consequetively for weeks, even months. So yeah, they're commercial successes. Mindless, souless money making machines. smile.gif I'm guessing it has to do with those people who keep on saying "try the game first, if not how do you judge it?" laugh.gif



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