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post Dec 24 2018, 02:31 PM

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What is the difference Btw Sammy NU8000 vs NU7000?
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post Dec 24 2018, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(rakyat @ Dec 24 2018, 02:31 PM)
What is the difference Btw Sammy NU8000 vs NU7000?
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QUOTE(szecheng @ Dec 24 2018, 03:10 PM)
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In what sense? Since both uses the same uhd led, Hdr vs non-hdr? Edge vs local dimming?
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post Dec 24 2018, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(rakyat @ Dec 24 2018, 02:31 PM)
What is the difference Btw Sammy NU8000 vs NU7000?
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The primary difference is , you are paying extra for HDR Performance along with some advanced TV features like Variable Refresh Rates ( V-sync for gaming ) & cable management .

An important thing to know , despite the current entry levels 4k TV such as NU7100 , XF75, XF70 being advertised HDR TVs , they are not actually considered as HDR compatible . They are merely able to digest the signals , they don't have the hardware specs to display it .


On the other hand , NU8000 is a much brighter TV . It is able to utilize the local dimming to show bright highlights from HDR content so the picture can , to a certain extend "pop" out of screen. The TV also supports a wider color space coverage in both rec 2020 and DCI-P3 , which are what most modern 4k UHD movies are mastered with.

Obviously if you are looking for true HDR experience , neither NU8000 or NU7100 are an ideal choice . The latter doesn't quite nearly has the hardware specs to support it . The former is not very good at it either . Since edge-lit based local dimming will brighten up the entire portion of the picture when showing bright objects , which effectively reduce the dynamic range of the picture .


Nevertheless , among the sea of mid range TV models in MY , it is the only one which can give you a taste of what HDR is like without forcing you to sell your blood and kidneys.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 24 2018, 08:19 PM
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post Dec 25 2018, 08:19 AM

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Calling all sifus...i'm looking 4 a 65" inch tv...2 many choices(year end sales)...any recommendation budget 4-5k...
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post Dec 25 2018, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 24 2018, 08:14 PM)
The primary difference is , you are paying extra for HDR Performance along with some advanced TV features like Variable Refresh Rates ( V-sync for gaming ) & cable management .

An important thing to know ,  despite the current entry levels 4k TV such as NU7100 , XF75, XF70 being advertised HDR TVs , they are not actually considered as HDR compatible . They are merely able to digest the signals , they don't have the hardware specs to display it .
On the other hand , NU8000 is a much brighter TV . It is able to utilize the local dimming to show bright highlights from HDR content so the picture can , to a certain extend "pop" out of screen. The TV also supports a wider color space coverage in both rec 2020 and DCI-P3 , which are what most modern 4k UHD movies are mastered with.

Obviously if you are looking for true HDR experience , neither NU8000 or NU7100 are an ideal choice . The latter doesn't quite nearly has the hardware specs to support it .  The former is not very good at it either . Since edge-lit based local dimming will brighten up the entire portion of the picture when showing bright objects , which effectively reduce the dynamic range of the picture . 
Nevertheless , among the sea of mid range TV models in MY ,  it is the only one which can give you a taste of what HDR is like without forcing you to sell your blood and kidneys.
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This is a great explanation. Thanks.
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post Dec 25 2018, 06:43 PM

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post Dec 26 2018, 10:01 AM

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Just bought samsung 65inch from senheng for RM3499... get rm300 petrol voucher, 5 % senheng credit n another rm50 discount for members. Quite nice promo.
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QUOTE(muttly @ Dec 25 2018, 02:06 PM)
This is a great explanation. Thanks.
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I wanted to add on top of Convael's explanation that on top of getting the ideal TV model, you should calibrate the TV settings and more importantly use proper source to get good HDR images. Bluray is ideal, Netflix/Amazon Prime is just ok in my opinion due to the compression. If you torrent then the 40GB files tend to look better than the 4GB ones, but even at 800Mbps it'll take hours to download a 40GB file.

Enjoy!
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post Dec 26 2018, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 24 2018, 08:14 PM)
The primary difference is , you are paying extra for HDR Performance along with some advanced TV features like Variable Refresh Rates ( V-sync for gaming ) & cable management .

An important thing to know ,  despite the current entry levels 4k TV such as NU7100 , XF75, XF70 being advertised HDR TVs , they are not actually considered as HDR compatible . They are merely able to digest the signals , they don't have the hardware specs to display it .
On the other hand , NU8000 is a much brighter TV . It is able to utilize the local dimming to show bright highlights from HDR content so the picture can , to a certain extend "pop" out of screen. The TV also supports a wider color space coverage in both rec 2020 and DCI-P3 , which are what most modern 4k UHD movies are mastered with.

Obviously if you are looking for true HDR experience , neither NU8000 or NU7100 are an ideal choice . The latter doesn't quite nearly has the hardware specs to support it .  The former is not very good at it either . Since edge-lit based local dimming will brighten up the entire portion of the picture when showing bright objects , which effectively reduce the dynamic range of the picture . 
Nevertheless , among the sea of mid range TV models in MY ,  it is the only one which can give you a taste of what HDR is like without forcing you to sell your blood and kidneys.
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Yes, I am using 65 NU8000 and the easiest way to see the lousy local dimming is watching HDR content on Netflix with subtitle on and room lighting off.

every time the background is dark and subtitle is on, the whole panel will be lit, leaving you with a greyish screen. Also the grey color is very uneven, looks like very bad banding.

Having said that, like you said it doesn't cost me my kidneys and a very good entry 4K TV with HDR.
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QUOTE(toytoy @ Dec 26 2018, 10:23 PM)
Yes, I am using 65 NU8000 and the easiest way to see the lousy local dimming is watching HDR content on Netflix with subtitle on and room lighting off.

every time the background is dark and subtitle is on, the whole panel will be lit, leaving you with a greyish screen. Also the grey color is very uneven, looks like very bad banding.

Having said that, like you said it doesn't cost me my kidneys and a very good entry 4K TV with HDR.
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I noticed this too for 55 NU8000. It seems to auto adjust the brightness or something based on how bright is the scenes/environment?
The not so nice thing is it were dimmed to the point that it looks dark and greyish.

Is there some sort of settings we could tune to reduce or prevent this from happening?

This post has been edited by ntd.nicholas: Dec 26 2018, 11:27 PM
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post Dec 27 2018, 02:22 PM

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Is there a term for this?

Let's say the scene is a bright sky (or just total white even), and the camera pans around. Can see noticeably some parts are "gray-ish" as if there is a layer of dirt on the screen (this is the best I can describe), making some areas on the screen seem darker than the rest on the same scene but only when the camera pans around.

Hoping it's normal and not indication of any defect (my TV - LG 65SJ850T)
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post Dec 27 2018, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(ntd.nicholas @ Dec 26 2018, 11:25 PM)
I noticed this too for 55 NU8000. It seems to auto adjust the brightness or something based on how bright is the scenes/environment?
The not so nice thing is it were dimmed to the point that it looks dark and greyish.

Is there some sort of settings we could tune to reduce or prevent this from happening?
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That's how this tv work IINM.

Local dimming is a gimmicky function sort of mimicking how OLED panels work. Whereas OLED can switch individual pixel on/off, LCD can't do that.

So the term local dimming is supposed to be dim all other section which is dark and only lit the section which is bright. Like the white color subtitles.

But the NU8000 panels handled this so badly and due to the backlight is from bottom? the whole panel seems to lit up... and make it greyish.

A good panel should only lit the subtitles only.

I found setting the subtitle color to very dark colors like dark blue or black with some light color borders work. Or turn off the subtitle altogether.

Also, watch with the room lights on and it will not be so obvious.
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QUOTE(phoenixxx @ Dec 27 2018, 02:22 PM)
Is there a term for this?

Let's say the scene is a bright sky (or just total white even), and the camera pans around. Can see noticeably some parts are "gray-ish" as if there is a layer of dirt on the screen (this is the best I can describe), making some areas on the screen seem darker than the rest on the same scene but only when the camera pans around.

Hoping it's normal and not indication of any defect (my TV - LG 65SJ850T)
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I believe that is compression / decoding artifacts. So it looks like a bit boxy type, like those VCD feel.

Should not be TV problem.
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post Dec 27 2018, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(kapultek @ Dec 26 2018, 10:01 AM)
Just bought samsung 65inch from senheng for RM3499... get rm300 petrol voucher, 5 % senheng credit n another rm50 discount for members. Quite nice promo.
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Nice.. Model?
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post Dec 28 2018, 02:21 AM

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Nu7100 i think
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QUOTE(toytoy @ Dec 27 2018, 11:19 PM)
I believe that is compression / decoding artifacts. So it looks like a bit boxy type, like those VCD feel.

Should not be TV problem.
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I see, TQ for the info. Weird to still see this kind of thing on Netflix, kononnya 4K streaming lol.gif
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post Dec 28 2018, 11:46 AM

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I was planing to buy Sammy 55nu8000 yesterday but out of stock. The salesman recommend Sony 55x850f and Sammy 55q6fn but 500 -1.3k more expensive than nu8000. so is it worth it??? need advice pls. thanks in advance.
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post Dec 28 2018, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(ken8chi @ Dec 28 2018, 11:46 AM)
I was planing to buy Sammy 55nu8000 yesterday but out of stock. The salesman recommend Sony 55x850f and Sammy 55q6fn but 500 -1.3k more expensive than nu8000. so is it worth it??? need advice pls. thanks in advance.
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The Q6FN is just like a NU8000 with Quantum Dots filter , which also is the lowest entry of Samsung's QLED TV line up.


Their overall performance is very identical but the Q6FN can show a bit more colors than the NU8000.


If you ask me , it is not worth to spend much more on the very little colors improvement since NU8000 already has decent coverage for wider color gamut .
Q6FN feels unnecessary and anyone looking for an upgrade from NU8000 should go directly to Q7FN or Q9FN.


As for the XF850 , it's a great TV for watching sports and TV shows . But I wouldn't consider it as a HDR TV as it lacks local dimming .

If you really have to get a TV now and willing to pay the extra , I suggest you get a Q7FN (Not to be confused with Q7F which is last year's model ) which will dazzle you with its HDR performance.
It is one of the brightest and most colorful TVs around.

Or you can try looking for NU8000 from another shop.

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 28 2018, 12:06 PM

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