If midrange TV hdr performance poor. Uhd movie will become too dim or not ?

This post has been edited by kkthen: Jul 10 2018, 03:34 PM


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Yes
Worst - global dimming
Ok only - local dimming
Not bad - full array
Best - oled

You can throw away global dimming tv.

That is mean 2018 year 65inch TV in malaysia market only samsung q9fn & oled can play well uhd hdr movie. Very limited choice.

Yes, Malaysia is poor country. Even Hisense don’t bring their Fald tv series 9.

Panasonic TH-65FX600K vs LG 65UK6300PTE, which one will you pick and why?

Nope, its clearly stated that Dolby Vision update applies to Z9D, X9500E, X9400E, X9300E, A1 only.
The reason X7000E is not in the list is because its not using Android TV OS.

That is for streaming. Read properly all the way.
Dolby Vision content is supported for video streaming apps/services installed on the TV such as Amazon Prime Video and Netflix (Z9D, X9500E, X9400E, X9300E, A1 only)*

Dolby Vision support for HDMI* is for the rest of the listed TVs as above as long their media/UHD Blu ray player is DV capable.

Nope. There is no Dolby Vision support via HDMI or streaming for any Sony tv except for Z9D, X9500E, X9400E, X9300E, A1 (and some 2018 models which are not mentioned here).
Only Sony TVs with the X1 Extreme chipset get DV.

then only 7k and above tv supported. I rather buy 55" Hisense 5010 with local dimming to play around until hdmi 2.1 and dolby vision standard in all RM4k tv ( also fald if possible). 4k TV should just be RM4k. I only willing to spend RM8k if it is 8k TV

IF care about Dolby vision. LG oled is better choice. Because Sony Dolby vision is software base , not like LG is chip-set based. Now only 4k Apple TV & sony x700 uhd player can provide Dolby vision content through Hdmi port to Sony TV.

Oppo uhd player is still made the new firmware to compatible with Sony Dolby vision. almost half a year, the firmware still not come out.

This post has been edited by kkthen: Jul 11 2018, 03:39 PM

DV support is like HDR support, it doesn't mean anything if its on a low end tv because it may only make the PQ worse rather than better. If at all it manages to make the PQ better, its a fluke that happens for a particular tv show or movie. Even on high end TVs it only makes a subtle difference (if any at all) in most cases. So, DV for now should not be a main consideration to buy a tv especially if you are playing at the budget end of the scale.

Resolution (4k/8k) doesn't make that much of a difference, so your purchasing logic is not very sound. I would not pay a single cent more for an 8k tv right now (if there was one to buy in the first place - no that Sharp tv that you are thinking about right now is not really 8K) since it will make all non 8k/4k sources upscale very badly. In fact I will not buy an 8K tv until 4k is the most common resolution for broadcast tv which will probably happen sometime in 2030.

Prices will eventually come down so you can wait and see until prices become reasonable for you. In the meantime, just buy the Hisense 5010 and enjoy

Oppo firmware for Sony's low latency DV is coming soon.
Got LG Oled 65" for RM4k? gogo2's requirements not fulfilled lah

Sony's implementation of DV is software based? Where did you get that?

Oppo's firmware to support DV is out
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subac...l&id=1528267968

QLED with FALD also crush all the blacks. Only can buy oled and microled.



This post has been edited by gogo2: Jul 11 2018, 09:13 PM

This will largely depends on if the source supported HDR or not .
UHD movies refer to the resolution of the content , it has nothing to do with HDR . There are 1080p HDR content on as well .

If it is a UHD HDR movie , only by then the brightness of the content will be affected .

HDR movies are normally displayed dimmer , that is because they have a larger headroom to swing around from the brightest white to deepest black .

If the TV has poor HDR performance , the HDR movies will appear dim ( Washed Out ) and unimpressive all the time.
This however does not limit to only mid range models , some of the high end overpriced TV models also suffer from the same issue .



No of course not, some mid range TV can do decent too . The primary factors of HDR performance of TV are mostly the following :

brightness ratings across different APL
the Local Dimming system
the color performance ( coverage and volume )
native contrast ( black levels performance in particular )


With the technology we have today , as long as it ticks 3 out of the 4 , it should be considered as a good HDR experience.
There are also other factors involved such as the EOTF tracking but those can be subjective .


All TVs do tonemappings , to a certain degree . When calibrated correctly , most decent TV do not crush blacks details .

The only QLED that do that is Q9FN , because of the Ultra aggressive FALD it has . This TV can produce a contrast Level of ~ almost 20000 : 1 . That is much more improved than any other existing LED TVs on the market. This doesn't mean the TV sucks , this is still the most impressive LED TV out there , its worth losing some black details for all that extraordinary brightness , color volume and black level .

MicroLED still has a long way to go , the WALL showed off by Samsung was not a practical consumer TV at all. . Unless you want to wait like 9 years for Micro LED to come out , there are better choices around as of this moment.


During CES 2017 , Sony had released this statement " ”Selected Sony TVs (ZD9, XE94, XE93 and A1 Series) will support Dolby Vision with the software update to be rolled out in Europe within April, 2018. To enjoy Dolby Vision content, the video streaming app/service must support Dolby Vision ”

On your subsequent message , you mentioned


Regardless of the external device , if your TV is unable to process Dolby vision ( which consist of Dynamic Meta Data feedings ) when the playback device send these data to your TV , it will not process it as the way it was meant to play . Playing Dolby Vision content require extra CPU power , the lower tiers and mid range TV may not have enough CPU power on top of the tasks they were already assigned to such as motion interpolation and BFI.


The same Dolby Visions firmware update do applies to some of these lower end models , because the firmware bring more improvement than just DV updates . But these firmware will not magically upgrade mid-low range TVs hardware to process DV correctly. Just checked this with a calibrator on an updated x8000e .


If you are still in doubt , do check 7500F here . Dolby Vision isn't listed as the recognized HDR format , compare to the X1 Extreme models.



It is better than none . So far even on TVs with crappy local dimming like most Samsung mid range TV has , I tend to notice significant improvement , especially playing darker movies with tiny highlights .

Hisense dimming system is a little slow at catching up , but I personally have not tested this TV before , not enough at least . So I will leave the opinions to others who have.



That's what I have been talking about for a while , respect & enjoy the technology .

You have done your research , you got your eyes locked on something , you know what you are getting. By all means just enjoy what you have bought , who cares what other feature it lacks , most important thing is you are happy with your purchase.

When people like me criticize a TV , it doesn't mean you shouldn't get it . I just want you to be aware of what you are buying , it's not like I make any profit if you end up purchasing a certain brand or models .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 30 2018, 06:53 AM

Any mid range led 65 inch TV do you recommend can play well HDR UHD movie？ Actually I wish to buy the best mid-range TV in USA 65 inch 900f. But Sony only bring 85in TV size to Malaysia.
May be Sony only bring good hdr 65 in Z9F tv with x1 ultimate to Malaysia.

This post has been edited by kkthen: Jul 12 2018, 11:33 AM

Hi Guys,

Between Sony Z9D (65") and X8500E (65"), which would be a better choice given that the X8500E is 2017 product vs Z9D being a 2016 product. Any downside to Z9D in terms of technology? Have a friend offering to offload his good condition Z9D close to the X8500E price, so seems like a good deal on retail price itself.

TIA.

This is very good deal. Sony z9d still is the king of Sony Led TV. One of the best led TV in the world. Only oled TV or Samsung q9fn can beat it.

Let me know if you don't want it, I am willing to buy from your friend.

Let me know too was frustrated I missed the clearance sale by Sony a few months ago