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post Jul 10 2018, 03:32 PM

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If midrange TV hdr performance poor. Uhd movie will become too dim or not ?

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post Jul 11 2018, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 10 2018, 08:58 PM)
Yes
Worst - global dimming
Ok only - local dimming
Not bad - full array
Best - oled

You can throw away global dimming tv.
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That is mean 2018 year 65inch TV in malaysia market only samsung q9fn & oled can play well uhd hdr movie. Very limited choice.
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post Jul 11 2018, 03:38 PM

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IF care about Dolby vision. LG oled is better choice. Because Sony Dolby vision is software base , not like LG is chip-set based. Now only 4k Apple TV & sony x700 uhd player can provide Dolby vision content through Hdmi port to Sony TV.

Oppo uhd player is still made the new firmware to compatible with Sony Dolby vision. almost half a year, the firmware still not come out.

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post Jul 12 2018, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 11 2018, 10:14 PM)
No of course not, some mid range TV can do decent too .  The primary factors of HDR performance of TV are mostly the following :

brightness ratings across different APL ,
the local dimming system
the color performance ( coverage and volume )
native contrast ( black levels performance in particularly )
With the technology we have today , as long as it ticks 3 out of the 4 , it should be considered as a good HDR experience.

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Any mid range led 65 inch TV do you recommend can play well HDR UHD movie? Actually I wish to buy the best mid-range TV in USA 65 inch 900f. But Sony only bring 85in TV size to Malaysia.
May be Sony only bring good hdr 65 in Z9F tv with x1 ultimate to Malaysia.

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post Jul 12 2018, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(kheing @ Jul 12 2018, 03:06 PM)
Hi Guys,

Between Sony Z9D (65") and X8500E (65"), which would be a better choice given that the X8500E is 2017 product vs Z9D being a 2016 product. Any downside to Z9D in terms of technology? Have a friend offering to offload his good condition Z9D close to the X8500E price, so seems like a good deal on retail price itself.

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This is very good deal. Sony z9d still is the king of Sony Led TV. One of the best led TV in the world. Only oled TV or Samsung q9fn can beat it.
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post Jul 13 2018, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 12 2018, 10:38 PM)
I wouldn't call X900F a mid range models , because of the pricing and size availability in MY, which is a shame because it is a really good TV.
Rumor is that Sony is planning to release the successor of A1E and Z9D within the year , again the price will probably shoot through the roof and remain out of reach for typical consumers .
Regardless , I do have a few Mid-range models in mind .
Since you specifically mentioned HDR , I will only emphasize on the VA Panels because of the contrast advantage .
Samsung NU 8000

Base on the pricing and models , this is my personal pick for the best mid range 55/65 VA panels in MY at the moment.

It has all the features you need for a decent HDR performance .
From Local Dimming ( edge-lit , not very good but better than nothing ) , Wide Color Gamut , excellent SDR brightness , above average HDR Brightness , good at showing brief bright highlights , 120 fps motion interpolation ( except the 49 inches which use the 60 hz panel )

For its price , its hard to find major flaws on this TV

the 2018 QLED brothers :

Samsung Q6FN
Entry level QLED , comparable with NU8000, except it has better coverage of colors because of the Quantum Dot panel and thus , excellent color volumes as well ( can show wider range of colors across different levels of brightness) just like all of its bigger brothers.

Samsung Q7FN
This little bad ass is quite a buy if you can afford it . An upgrade in almost everything from Q6FN . Especially with that 2000 Nits  brightness .

Samsung Q8C
Samsung MY 's 2018  "new" model . I think the 55 inches have dropped below 10k now  . This model was actually released last year (2017) in US / UK . I  don't know why Samsung MY is rebranding it as a new 2018 TV , but their PR wouldn't tell us much . Unlike its other 2018 Q8FN counterpart , this TV doesn't has Full Array Local Dimming.
Something worth noting , these Samsung models supports Variable Refresh Rates , a.k.a FreeSync , which is nice if you plan to play PC games and Xbox games on these TVs.

Sony XF83
a relatively new Sony mid range VA model for 2018 . I don't know very much about it yet , but I know it is an android TV , doesn't has a local dimming system , has WCG, great motion features like most Sony TVs , probably the same brightness rating as last year's x8000e/x8500e , which is not impressive .

There's another notable mention , the Panasonic FX750K , which is another great VA TV. Sadly it isn't available in 65 inches .

LG 's 2018 models of the same range are all IPS panels .
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Thanks for reply. In your post, contrast is important factor for Hdr performance. I should avoid Sony XF85 which is IPS panel (except 85 inch) . Samsung 2018 qled Tv is good choice , but because they put new feature Auto low latency mode for xbox one x . This new nice feature make all exiting any brand Av receiver not compatible with Samsung 2018 premium TV which start from NU8000 to Q9FN . Many 10bit 4k Hdr device cannot pass through video from av receiver to TV . But the device direct plug in TV is function normally. So I still need to observe Samsung team can solve this problem with Firmware or not. IF not, I have to wait another year, hope Sony bring some 65 inch premium LED TV next year. Or take the burn in risk to buy LG OLED C8.
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post Jul 13 2018, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 13 2018, 12:34 PM)
Just buy HDMI 2.1 avr can dy
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I am not rich guy. I just upgrade to new Hdmi 2.0 AV amp for dolby atmos & DTS X this year. No way, I will buy a new av receiver because Samsung TV hdmi handshake problem. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 13 2018, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 13 2018, 12:34 PM)
Just buy HDMI 2.1 avr can dy
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I am not rich guy. I just upgrade to new Hdmi 2.0 AV amp for dolby atmos & DTS X this year. No way, I will buy a new av receiver because Samsung TV hdmi handshake problem.
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post Jul 13 2018, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 13 2018, 02:08 PM)
You know this or next year got HDMI 2.1. so buying now is wrong timing
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I thought Hdmi 2.0 AV amp got no compatible issue with Hdmi 2.1 TV. This is my mistake.
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post Jul 13 2018, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 13 2018, 09:05 PM)
I have had similar issues with Samsung TVs before , PS4 struggling to output at YUV444 with handshake problems.
PS4 pro downgrade the Full RGB HDR to YUV 422 HDR, still having the HDMI handshake problems even after a cable exchange.

MY 3 LG TV seems to do fine with it . My friend's Samsung Q8c don't seem to have the problems , so yea I am not sure if its due to bandwidth limits or TV defective ports . There is a very length discussion thread on Sony's forum which makes me believe my problem isn't an isolated case . Outputting YUV422 shouldn't require HDMI 2.1 either.
If your TV watching habits are not too extreme , do consider an OLED . You should be safe from the Burn In risks as long as you take care of the TV.
No other TVs can come close to the picture quality of OLEDs
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Seem like buy samsung TV need luck to get one which less problem with Ps4 pro. My family always see channels tv8 with got static tv8 logo about 4 hours per day. Is that safe to get oled TV?

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post Jul 14 2018, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 14 2018, 09:58 AM)
LG OLEDs from 2018 does come with a new logo dimming features in additional to Picture Shifting and Pixel Refresher  .

It turns down the brightness of static logos by roughly 20%. This will probably slightly reduce the chance of getting BI , still the 20% is nothing much since these 2018 panels are quite damn bright.
LG and some retailers also provide warranty for "burn marks" ( according to them ) for the first few years , so you shouldn't need to worry too much about burn in issues , at least not for the first few years within the warranty period.

With that being said , if your family watch channels with static logos , that can problematic in the long term .

I won't say it is competely safe , everything come with a risk . It is whether if the Picture Quality offered by OLED worth trading the risk of getting BI  . For me and many of the OLED owners around here  , it is worth every penny I have spent on it , so much that I am a proud owner of 3 OLEDs right now
The important thing here is to understand why is the screen is vulnerable to BI , because of the uneven aging of the OLED pixels .
Static logos tend to be bright , colorful . The brightest candle also burn out the fastest , the same logic applies here.

So the key to avoid Burn Ins ,  is to vary the purpose you used TV for . Playing games for awhile , watching sport channels of 2 hours , use it as display gallery for 30 minutes , back to watching HDR shows on Netflix etc etc
There also a massive flaw on these OLED TVs .  Once you get used to owning one , you will not want to go to cinema , because you will keep staring at the black portion of the Cinema screen and wondering , why does her hair looks like gray smile.gif
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Since Lg provide warranty for "burn marks" first 2 years. I got confident to try oled. I am very sad that Sony oled do not provide warranty for "burn marks". So I will skip Sony Oled. So When I buy Lg oled, should I check 5% grey vertical banding? IF I found vertical banding is serious, Can I exchange another TV?
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post Aug 27 2018, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Gouki @ Aug 27 2018, 01:45 PM)
what about LG 65 UK7500 vs Sony 65 X7500f?
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I prefer than Sony 65 X7500f which colour more neutral & better contrast, not much different form 65 x8500f. Lg LED, I only like 65 sk85 which is more vivid colour.
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post May 24 2019, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Addict @ May 23 2019, 06:47 PM)
Is Panasonic 65FX600K model good ? Aeon now selling at RM3699.

My budget range around 4K, any better recommendation ? Noob at TV updates.

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I much prefer 2019 new model. 65 Gx 740. Which use last year oled flagship Hcx video processor. Some more can support dolby vision & hdr 10 + both advanced formats. it over your budget a bit.

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post May 24 2019, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(Addict @ May 24 2019, 05:45 PM)
No worries, i decided to increase my budget, lets say around 5-6K.

What model should i look for if i unable to find the 65NU8000 ?

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post Jun 4 2019, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(lamusiqa @ Jun 4 2019, 10:24 AM)
Something to consider: It's an IPS panel. Its native contrast ratio won't be as good as the Samsung's VA panel. In a dark room, black will appear like dark grey. Lighter than what a Samsung VA panel would be.

Another thing to consider would be the brightness and panel refresh rate. For good HDR, you need to go for a panel that is capable of more than 600 nits on top of having wide colour gamut. a 120Hz native refresh rate would be also ideal if you're into watching fast-moving sport scenes like football. It helps smooth out the picture a bit.

The Samsung NU8000 ticks all these boxes.
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If you can not find nu8000, you can buy better tv like q6fn or 7fn. Which much better color &true 10 bit panel. Nu8000 is 8bit + frc
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post Jun 13 2019, 10:30 AM

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If budget is tight. This offer is good deal. Desa home theatre kepong

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 6 2020, 10:15 AM)
i see.. becos now i actually watch movie 42inch also okay-ish.. 65inch kinda overkill for bedroom  sweat.gif  plus 1.5m if 65inch, really too big to play ps4 with it. oled can only afford 55inch..
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1.5m distance , perfect size is 50 inch. 55 inch oled is big enough for your bed room.
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post Mar 16 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 14 2020, 01:15 PM)
Based on This chart I got to go 85 inches for 12 feet le. For 4k tv
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12 feet distance . you can enjoy 120 inch screen, If you use projector.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Mar 14 2020, 01:15 PM)
Based on This chart I got to go 85 inches for 12 feet le. For 4k tv
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12 feet distance . you can enjoy 120 inch screen, If you use projector.
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post Jun 10 2020, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 10 2020, 08:18 AM)
For the calibration we need professional calibrator ? Can we do manual calibration ourself based on screen instruction or eyeball calibration ?
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You need professional equipment & software. Even the skillful calibrator need to use few hours time to complete the one fully calibration for Sdr, Hdr, dolby vison, 3 different color format. Actually this calibration only for most accuracy picture mode. If you use standard mode to enjoy your content & don't care how content looks and feels of the creators. you don't need calibration. But once you get used to accuracy picture mode, you will enjoy to use calibrated picture mode for movie, gaming , youtube , photo. you will find out other modes are unnatural or missing shadow detail. Even you buy C9, I also recommend you to do calibration if you care creators intended content.

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