I wouldn't call X900F a mid range models , because of the pricing and size availability in MY, which is a shame because it is a really good TV.
Rumor is that Sony is planning to release the successor of A1E and Z9D within the year , again the price will probably shoot through the roof and remain out of reach for typical consumers .


Regardless , I do have a few Mid-range models in mind .
Since you specifically mentioned HDR , I will only emphasize on the VA Panels because of the contrast advantage .


Samsung NU 8000

Base on the pricing and models , this is my personal pick for the best mid range 55/65 VA panels in MY at the moment.

It has all the features you need for a decent HDR performance .
From Local Dimming ( edge-lit , not very good but better than nothing ) , Wide Color Gamut , excellent SDR brightness , above average HDR Brightness , good at showing brief bright highlights , 120 fps motion interpolation ( except the 49 inches which use the 60 hz panel )

For its price , its hard to find major flaws on this TV

the 2018 QLED brothers :

Samsung Q6FN
Entry level QLED , comparable with NU8000, except it has better coverage of colors because of the Quantum Dot panel and thus , excellent color volumes as well ( can show wider range of colors across different levels of brightness) just like all of its bigger brothers.

Samsung Q7FN
This little bad ass is quite a buy if you can afford it . An upgrade in almost everything from Q6FN . Especially with that 2000 Nits brightness .

Samsung Q8C
Samsung MY 's 2018 "new" model . I think the 55 inches have dropped below 10k now . This model was actually released last year (2017) in US / UK . I don't know why Samsung MY is rebranding it as a new 2018 TV , but their PR wouldn't tell us much . Unlike its other 2018 Q8FN counterpart , this TV doesn't has Full Array Local Dimming.


Something worth noting , these Samsung models supports Variable Refresh Rates , a.k.a FreeSync , which is nice if you plan to play PC games and Xbox games on these TVs.

Sony XF83
a relatively new Sony mid range VA model for 2018 . I don't know very much about it yet , but I know it is an android TV , doesn't has a local dimming system , has WCG, great motion features like most Sony TVs , probably the same brightness rating as last year's x8000e/x8500e , which is not impressive .

There's another notable mention , the Panasonic FX750K , which is another great VA TV. Sadly it isn't available in 65 inches .

LG 's 2018 models of the same range are all IPS panels .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 13 2018, 07:29 AM

There is no comparison really. Z9D is everything XE85 aspire to be , but fall miserably short of .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 12 2018, 11:11 PM

Need cifus advice.
Which one better between sony 65x7000e and hisense 65m5010uw?
I check price is almost same for both model.

Thanks for reply. In your post, contrast is important factor for Hdr performance. I should avoid Sony XF85 which is IPS panel (except 85 inch) . Samsung 2018 qled Tv is good choice , but because they put new feature Auto low latency mode for xbox one x . This new nice feature make all exiting any brand Av receiver not compatible with Samsung 2018 premium TV which start from NU8000 to Q9FN . Many 10bit 4k Hdr device cannot pass through video from av receiver to TV . But the device direct plug in TV is function normally. So I still need to observe Samsung team can solve this problem with Firmware or not. IF not, I have to wait another year, hope Sony bring some 65 inch premium LED TV next year. Or take the burn in risk to buy LG OLED C8.

Just buy HDMI 2.1 avr can dy

I am not rich guy. I just upgrade to new Hdmi 2.0 AV amp for dolby atmos & DTS X this year. No way, I will buy a new av receiver because Samsung TV hdmi handshake problem.

I am not rich guy. I just upgrade to new Hdmi 2.0 AV amp for dolby atmos & DTS X this year. No way, I will buy a new av receiver because Samsung TV hdmi handshake problem.

You know this or next year got HDMI 2.1. so buying now is wrong timing

I thought Hdmi 2.0 AV amp got no compatible issue with Hdmi 2.1 TV. This is my mistake.

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This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 13 2018, 09:11 PM

I have had similar issues with Samsung TVs before , PS4 struggling to output at YUV444 with handshake problems.
PS4 pro downgrade the Full RGB HDR to YUV 422 HDR, still having the HDMI handshake problems even after a cable exchange.

MY 3 LG TV seems to do fine with it . My friend's Samsung Q8c don't seem to have the problems , so yea I am not sure if its due to bandwidth limits or TV defective ports . There is a very length discussion thread on Sony's forum which makes me believe my problem isn't an isolated case . Outputting YUV422 shouldn't require HDMI 2.1 either.



If your TV watching habits are not too extreme , do consider an OLED . You should be safe from the Burn In risks as long as you take care of the TV.
No other TVs can come close to the picture quality of OLEDs

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 13 2018, 09:10 PM

Seem like buy samsung TV need luck to get one which less problem with Ps4 pro. My family always see channels tv8 with got static tv8 logo about 4 hours per day. Is that safe to get oled TV?

LG OLEDs from 2018 do come with a new logo dimming feature in additional to Picture Shifting and Pixel Refresher .

It tunes down the brightness of static logos by roughly 20%. This will probably slightly reduce the chance of getting BI , still the -20% is nothing much since these 2018 panels are quite damn bright.


LG and some retailers also provide warranty for "burn marks" ( according to them ) for the first few years , so you shouldn't need to worry too much about burn in issues , at least not for the first few years within the warranty period.

With that being said , if your family watch channels with static logos , that can problematic in the long term .

I won't say it is competely safe , everything come with a risk . It is whether if the Picture Quality offered by OLED worth trading the risk of getting BI . For me and many of the OLED owners around here , it is worth every penny I have spent on it , so much that I am a proud owner of 3 OLEDs right now


The important thing here is to understand why is the screen is vulnerable to BI , because of the uneven aging of the OLED pixels .
Static logos tend to be bright , colorful . The brightest candles also burn out the fastest , the same logic applies here.

So the key to avoid Burn Ins , is to vary the purpose you used TV for . Playing games for awhile , watching sport channels of 2 hours , use it as display gallery for 30 minutes , back to watching HDR shows on Netflix etc etc


Theres also a massive flaw on these OLED TVs . Once you get used to owning one , you will not want to go to cinema , because you will keep staring at the black portion of the Cinema screen and wondering , why does her hair looks like gray

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 18 2018, 06:44 AM

OLED TV is strictly for watching Movies from Netflix or TV box like Apple TV.

If Astro or Sport, just get a cheap TV.

Since Lg provide warranty for "burn marks" first 2 years. I got confident to try oled. I am very sad that Sony oled do not provide warranty for "burn marks". So I will skip Sony Oled. So When I buy Lg oled, should I check 5% grey vertical banding? IF I found vertical banding is serious, Can I exchange another TV?

It is up to LG . If you report to LG they will send technician to inspect and advice on the issue first , base on the severity of the problem , the technician may give you a green light for exchange or repair .


You should know OLED always have near black uniformity issues , particularly in the range of 2-10% gray .
The next unit they have exchanged or repaired might not necessarily be better. It is a manufacturing flaw in OLEDs , they can't be avoided .
Luckily even in the most serious case , this is not a problem in 99% of the situation.

Bro, how much were they selling during the clearance sale?

Around RM 8k plus

Q7FN definitely looking sexy although at a cool RM15k it is out of my budget. Even the 65" Q6FN goes for RM11K which is still out of my budget.

NU8000 looks like a really bright TV. I'm still not sure if I should go for it even though I like its look. You see, my hall doesn't really gets bright with just sunlight, even in daylight cctv still showing in night vision mode unless I turn on the lights. Wife doesn't really like too bright of a tv too. Tried to find MU7000 but can't find a good price for it, at most I saw was RM5999 over at 11street which makes choosing NU8000 over it much much a sensible choice. Too bad it doesn't have dts codes which one of my criteria. Why is it I see NU8000 and MU8000 somewhat similar?

Does the NU8000 support dts passthrough?

This post has been edited by nyunyu: Jul 28 2018, 09:57 AM

Yea the pricing of those QLED models are a little silly . Q6FN is pretty much just like NU8000 except it is a Quantum Dots display , so it is slightly more colorful than NU8000 but I find its pricing a little absurd because it doesn't offer much over the NU8000.


The NU8000 is a bright TV but it isn't that bright compare with the likes of Z9D , Q9FN , Q7FN.

If your wife doesn't like the TV being too bright , you can always turn down the luminance settings .

When you have a bright TV you have the luxury to adjust the brightness to suit your needs.
While playing HDR content , some of those effects can look really eyepopping on brighter TVs .

Note : although brightness is not the only factor to determine HDR performance


NU8000 is the successor of MU7000 , MU8000 is a step up over MU7000 . The MU8000 uses full glossy screen coating , which can provide better anti reflection in a bright room. Beside that , MU8000 and MU7000 are pretty identical . Yea I know all these model numbers are very confusing .


Credit from rtings


This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 28 2018, 06:56 PM