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jumpman23
post Aug 27 2007, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(-Jonathan- @ Aug 27 2007, 05:31 PM)
Haha, Rodman and Pippen's fan is so gonna blast you for making that statement. And Kobe's fan will say your doing him wrong of any justice

i know kobe8bryant hates statistics, but more times then ever, it's proven to be something that is very true.

This is Michael Jordan when he single handedly led the team...

He's averaged 31.5 PPG, 6 APG, 2.8 SPG, 1 BPG, 6.8 RPG
And those number includes his sophomore and rookie years

Those years, he was the only one leading the bulls.

This are the numbers when he had his double three-peats

He's averaged 30 PPG, 6 APG, 2 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 6.6 RPG

It was with Pippen, they had their first three-peat in a tight encounter finals

It was with Pippen and Rodman, that they had the best regular season (72-10) and bulldozed their way to their second three peat.

Kobe has been playing the same way he has played before, just that now he has to carry the burden which was left by Shaq. When Kobe + Shaq was together, they average up to 60 PPG. Shaq left, living a huge hole which Odom couldn't fill in. So what can kobe do? He had to play two roles. Score like never before.

Look back at all the teams that has won NBA Championship. They needed more than one superstar to dominate, be it on defense or offense.

Detroit had Rip on offense, Billups on offense, Big Ben on defense. They won because of their ability to switch from offense to defense..adapting to opponent. None superstar, but their whole roster was deemed to be the most balanced ever.

The David "Admiral" Robinson nearly won the championship, but he was the only superstar in the team at that time. Spurs then got the first draft, picked Tim Duncan, and Robinson won his ring. The now champion spurs, has the likes of Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and a mixture of deep depth and strong defense winning championship.

Houston Rockets had Drexler, and Hakeem.

Miami had Wade and Shaq

The early dominating Piston had Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas and plenty of those bad boys figure
So now...Lebron..has..who?
Big Z's early hype proved to be futile as his inconsistency and dominance starts to fade off.

Bibby coming in will breath a new air in the team

Kobe doesn't lack leadership, he lacks the support, which is the point that has been made ever since Shaq left.
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those stats u showed when he was playing with jordan. Especially pippen. He was hardly known before he joined bulls yeah. Even rodman. He recognise himself during his days with pistons by playing trashman and get into fist fights.
But my point here is jordan who improve their gameplay especially pippen. He was playing 2nd fiddle to jordan. But again, he improved dramatically while he was with jordan by d side. When jordan left wat happen? D bulls were creamated. But the fact is, pippen improved and got all his stats up coz of playing with jordan from day 1. Jordans' influence in the game dat change all dat. Dont forget kukoc also improved bcoz of him. Who was kukoc before? Even rodmans performance improved in terms of defense of corse. Not dat jordan played much contribution to his improvement. But what can he make a player improved together in a team.
Now lets get king james in the picture. He cant guide dem and make dem improve. Bottom line is LJ dont have dat capability to convert any of the existing players to performed at their best or improve dem. DAts my point here. Jordan led d team together with pippen, but its he who improved pippens as a good player. Even Kobe cant do dat? Look at odom. He didnt improve from the hawks, instead he cudnt adapt playing in the team.
Please do not compare Jordan and bulls team in his days coz he is a LEGEND of the LEGEND. His triumph and glories are stories we tell our kids. Its a disgrace to compare dem to any current NBA teams.
Pistons did great, even celtics, lakers but Jordan is the only player dat single handedly brought a team from zero into a champion of 6th time. Dats a legend tale. So lets keep dat sacred ait... heheheh...
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post Aug 27 2007, 06:08 PM

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Aye, you talk as if i am those few million that believes Jordan was an overrated product. I grew up watching him play, and i still watch his clips, his tantalizing moves, his fadeaways, his pump fakes, his arches, his angelic moves to the basket, and his legendary air time.

Oh, and comparison is the best way to go, but imitation is nothing i will touch. Lebron's far from mike. It took mike 5-6 years to find a partner in pippen.

And there are always player improving because of a certain player. Thats why they are crowned MVP and that is why Lebron is not qualified yet.
Steve Nash --> Amare --> Marion --> Joe Johnson wink.gif

This is James's 5th coming season, he's not been able to find the perfect partner. Big Z is definitely not, thats why i say give Bibby a try.

Thats whole start, we seemed to deviate far from it...give Bibby a try and throw Gooden away. With Lebron in Cavaliers, they are supposed to win title, not performed above average. So why not give Bibby a season or two a tryout, then if it doesn't work out, there's always other options

And your personal obsession for Jordan is made too obvious
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QUOTE(-Jonathan- @ Aug 27 2007, 06:08 PM)
Aye, you talk as if i am those few million that believes Jordan was an overrated product. I grew up watching him play, and i still watch his clips, his tantalizing moves, his fadeaways, his pump fakes, his arches, his angelic moves to the basket, and his legendary air time.

Oh, and comparison is the best way to go, but imitation is nothing i will touch. Lebron's far from mike. It took mike 5-6 years to find a partner in pippen.

And there are always player improving because of a certain player. Thats why they are crowned MVP and that is why Lebron is not qualified yet.
Steve Nash --> Amare --> Marion --> Joe Johnson wink.gif

This is James's 5th coming season, he's not been able to find the perfect partner. Big Z is definitely not, thats why i say give Bibby a try.

Thats whole start, we seemed to deviate far from it...give Bibby a try and throw Gooden away. With Lebron in Cavaliers, they are supposed to win title, not performed above average. So why not give Bibby a season or two a tryout, then if it doesn't work out, there's always other options

And your personal obsession for Jordan is made too obvious
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well who isnt obsessed with mj ait.. im happy to admit dat, i watched him since i was in standard 4 in 87.. n i started playing basketball bcoz of watching him play..
i never knew anything bout basketball since i've since him play.. and no.. i never did pin point u of lack of knowledge of him..duh
but when u make ur statements by comparing the new teams n players to jordan and d bulls years.. it cant be compared fullstop..
I never stated anything bad bout the current players.. just dont make comparison with the jordan or bulls lineup during his time.. i hope u get my point.

well back to ur views on LJ, he is far off from becoming an mvp or even bringing up his team,but to cut things short... u do a tradeoff..
so dose are d new tactics in current NBA team to capitalize in their strength, depth and how it gels with the superstar like LJ to win the championship..
by the way, if bibby goes to cavs, all depends on how they play together in 1 team.. u never know how it goes til u actually see dem play..
dats my view, its easy to compare stats and blend dem together.. A+B = A+(champion) but in basketball, it can also turn out to be A+B = F (failure to success.. hehe),
so ul never know until u get to see dem play and how LJ improve and guide his team to winning ways.. i doubt deres much bibby can learn from him coz of his vast experience wudnt u say.. its just bout adapting to his gameplay.. i prefer taking in rookies and develop them from dere coz LJ gotta start to take a leadership role, he needs a good 2nd fiddle to play with of corse but too bad dey aint found 1 yet.
my current fav player is steve nash.. coz he has dat leadership.. to bad he doesnt have the physique and strength to contribute especially in defense..
but damn he is good in breaking opponents defense by his superb passing , n i think he is better den stockton, wudnt u say dat jon..

by d way john, hows ur view on Carmelo and iverson pair up in nuggets? U think dey have wat it takes to be champ nxt year?

And it seems dat u are a real obsession twrds LJ huh..

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I am not a Jordan freak. Proud to admit that myself whistling.gif
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post Aug 27 2007, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 27 2007, 08:00 PM)
I am not a Jordan freak. Proud to admit that myself whistling.gif
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yeah u dont have to admit dat.. ur sig say so.. u can have only 1 obsessed player.. it seems u have urs.. thumbup.gif
people will appreciate jordan is the generation of people who actually see him play on court during his
younger days till he wins championship.. maybe u've missed dat generation ait..
n im not talking bout looking at his videos 1-4 .. im talking bout seeing him play in court throughout the hundreds of games he played...
i am glad i had dat experience and opportunity to watch him play..
looking at the new portential players.. well dey have all this probs off court and on court..
especially bryant.. he put away shaq and he had his series off court in with the laws heheheh...
anyway, i do like his skills and moves.. he will be one of the legend.. but he just lacks dat leadership role..
too bad.. anyway, its gud to see sumone out dere dat does admit he is not a jordan freak.. n im sure deres plenty of u here..
perhaps if u had stayed in the states, u wud .. or not.. hehehe..
i think if astro cud subscribe to us espn, we all be watching a lot of nba games..
it sux dat dey limit the games to 2 or 3 only per week...

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QUOTE(jumpman23 @ Aug 27 2007, 07:52 PM)
well who isnt obsessed with mj ait.. im happy to admit dat,  i watched him since i was in standard 4 in 87.. n i started playing basketball bcoz of watching him play..
i never knew anything bout basketball since i've since him play.. and no.. i never did pin point u of lack of knowledge of him..duh
but when u make ur statements by comparing the new teams n players to jordan and d bulls years.. it cant be compared fullstop..
I never stated anything bad bout the current players.. just dont make comparison with the jordan or  bulls lineup during his time.. i hope u get my point.

well back to ur views on LJ, he is far off from becoming an mvp or even bringing up his team,but to cut things short... u do a tradeoff..
so dose are d new tactics in current NBA team to capitalize in their strength, depth and how it gels with the superstar like LJ to win the championship..
by the way, if bibby goes to cavs, all depends on how they play together in 1 team.. u never know how it goes til u actually see dem play..
dats my view, its easy to compare stats and blend dem together..  A+B = A+(champion) but in basketball, it can also turn out to be A+B = F (failure to success.. hehe),
so ul never know until u get to see dem play and how LJ improve and guide his team to winning ways.. i doubt deres much bibby can learn from him coz of his vast experience wudnt u say.. its just bout adapting to his gameplay.. i prefer taking in rookies and develop them from dere coz LJ gotta start to take a leadership role, he needs a good 2nd fiddle to play with of corse but too bad dey aint found 1 yet.
my current fav player is steve nash.. coz he has dat leadership.. to bad he doesnt have the physique and strength to contribute especially in defense..
but damn he is good in breaking opponents defense by his superb passing , n i think he is better den stockton, wudnt u say dat jon..

by d way john, hows ur view on Carmelo and iverson pair up in nuggets? U think dey have wat it takes to be champ nxt year?

And it seems dat u are a real obsession twrds LJ huh..
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Hah? I didn't say anything about my knowledge on jordan, wahweewahwoh?

Your personal obsession of bulls has made everything pretty clear cut. In my life, i've only been a fan of two teams, Bulls and Wizards. And you of all people should know why. But comparison is the way to go.

And by saying Bibby going to Cleveland, i say its a wise choice to give it a crack, not because statistics say so, b ut because the way Bibby says so. I've watched Sacramento games enough to know that Bibby has a good knowledge of the game then the current lineup Cavs has. Just that alone is worthy to give the trade a go.

I dont have a favourite player, ever since the retirement of Jordan, but one of the most disliked player would be Kobe Bryant, for no apparent reason...

If there is a stockton fan here, he would have blasted you for such comparison. Both has the same playing style, but like James and Jordan, (sorry have to make something of a comparison), they are of different generation, and it understood if one fan likes one over the other (like you wink.gif)

There are a lot of things that can be said to make comparison. Stockton and Malone were the early ones to ABUSE the pick-and-roll. Soon after, it became a famous tactic which point guards and PF tend to combine for nowadays.

But fact would be, Nash is better then Stockton offensively, Stockton's better then Nash defensively. Nash's wobbly like you say, maybe a near non-existent in defence, ...i say nearly..but Stockton's very physical, and he has a crazy high steal ratio, better then those of Jordan or Pippen. Stockton's so physical, that for a player that plays such an active role, he is considered to be those that is rarely injured.
So its Nash on offense, Stockton on defense.
Put them in whichever you want to.



QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 27 2007, 08:00 PM)
I am not a Jordan freak. Proud to admit that myself whistling.gif
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The reason why Jordan will stand out among the rest that claims to be the best, is not his offense, not his airtime, but his defense


Added on August 27, 2007, 9:26 pmOh Melo and Iverson...

They'll get better. If Camby stays fit, i won't be suprised seeing them nearing the top or top of their division (Northwest i think)



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post Aug 27 2007, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(-Jonathan- @ Aug 27 2007, 09:23 PM)
Hah? I didn't say anything about my knowledge on jordan, wahweewahwoh?

Your personal obsession of bulls has made everything pretty clear cut. In my life, i've only been a fan of two teams, Bulls and Wizards. And you of all people should know why. But comparison is the way to go.

And by saying Bibby going to Cleveland, i say its a wise choice to give it a crack, not because statistics say so, b ut because the way Bibby says so. I've watched Sacramento games enough to know that Bibby has a good knowledge of the game then the current lineup Cavs has. Just that alone is worthy to give the trade a go.

I dont have a favourite player, ever since the retirement of Jordan, but one of the most disliked player would be Kobe Bryant, for no apparent reason...

If there is a stockton fan here, he would have blasted you for such comparison. Both has the same playing style, but like James and Jordan, (sorry have to make something of a comparison), they are of different generation, and it understood if one fan likes one over the other (like you wink.gif)

There are a lot of things that can be said to make comparison. Stockton and Malone were the early ones to ABUSE the pick-and-roll. Soon after, it became a famous tactic which point guards and PF tend to combine for nowadays.

But fact would be, Nash is better then Stockton offensively, Stockton's better then Nash defensively. Nash's wobbly like you say, maybe a near non-existent in defence, ...i say nearly..but Stockton's very physical, and he has a crazy high steal ratio, better then those of Jordan or Pippen. Stockton's so physical, that for a player that plays such an active role, he is considered to be those that is rarely injured.
So its Nash on offense, Stockton on defense.
Put them in whichever you want to.
Be proud, minority among the majority (aint the truth but it sounds the truth)
The reason why Jordan will stand out among the rest that claims to be the best, is not his offense, not his airtime, but his defense


Added on August 27, 2007, 9:26 pmOh Melo and Iverson...

They'll get better. If Camby stays fit, i won't be suprised seeing them nearing the top or top of their division (Northwest i think)
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jordan coz of his defense most? i differ dat, well my view is his everything but most of all of corse is offense. Dats the most important thing dat makes d bulls and him d best. People watch him to do his scoring through his manuevers and taunts. Scoring is everything, but when u have a good terrific defense. Its a killer blow to ur opponents. To contributes to defense takes the whole team, not individual. But to contribute points, dats more an individual effort and its shooting skills. But of corse the plays make a part in dat goal. Y i say defending is a team effort, going for rebound, boxing out is the no 1 key to get rebound. If one of ur teammate doesnt do dat, the chances of getting dat rebound would open up to offensive rebounds no matter how good u are individually in defense. But of corse in terms of stealing, jordan does play his part and won himself d most defensive player of the year once. But d most obvious reason he is called d mvp is bcoz of his scoring titles (highest average per season). But of corse during his wizards time, he contributed more defense den his offense compared when he was in d bulls due to age and physique of corse.
As for the pick n roll, its been in the NBA for ages, but of corse Malone and Stockton perfect it to its best which noone cud ever do til today.
I agree with u stocton does play a better defensive den nash. But im mere talking more bout offense. Sometimes no matter how good ur defense is , if u cant play offense, ur a useless garbage like roddie who can play a role in ateam, but sumthings dat cant be seen much contribution to team. But hell dey are very very important in the team.


as for jordan and lebron comparison.. I know dey are from different generations.. but stats and how dey d team is built around dem u can tell already la dude.. im not saying mj is better den lebron coz im fan of mj. I know how lj plays and d result and stats tells. dont come to me and just bcoz im a fan of mj makes things unfair to lj. He has potential, is just dat he is way way way far off jordans achievement. Good players was built around jordan. So LJ needs to do d same, and take dat role of leadership as wat mj did. If can do dat, he will be as good as mj. no doubt even better. Coz he came in the NBA for such a very young age compared to mj. So he has many2 years to prove his worth and potential dere. But to make dat comparison now is just plain ridiculous. He gotta be paired up with Kobe's achievement at least at the moment.

just wandering dude.. i bet u play basketball huh? u seriously into it like playing for a team and play in tournaments or playing it for the fun of it?

so who do u fancy to win the NBA title next year?
im sticking with the suns . Celtics cud be a surprised team. but i see the heat is wearing out on their oldies and pistons got weakened by the wallace trade has no bets to win it..

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QUOTE(jumpman23 @ Aug 27 2007, 10:42 PM)
jordan coz of his defense most? i differ dat, well my view is his everything but most of all of corse is offense.  Dats the most important thing dat makes d bulls and him d best. People watch him to do his scoring through his manuevers and taunts. Scoring is everything, but when u have a good terrific defense. Its a killer blow to ur opponents. To contributes to defense takes the whole team, not individual. But to contribute points, dats more an individual effort and its shooting skills. But of corse the plays make a part in dat goal. Y i say defending is a team effort, going for rebound, boxing out is the no 1 key to get rebound. If one of ur teammate doesnt do dat, the chances of getting dat rebound would open up to offensive rebounds no matter how good u are individually in defense. But of corse in terms of stealing, jordan does play his part and won himself d most defensive player of the year once. But d most obvious reason he is called d mvp is bcoz of his scoring titles (highest average per season). But of corse during his wizards time, he contributed more defense den his offense compared when he was in d bulls due to age and physique of corse.
As for the pick n roll, its been in the NBA for ages, but of corse Malone and Stockton perfect it to its best which noone cud ever do til today.
I agree with u stocton does play a better defensive den nash. But im mere talking more bout offense. Sometimes no matter how good ur defense is , if u cant play offense, ur a useless garbage like roddie who can play a role in ateam, but sumthings dat cant be seen much contribution to team. But hell dey are very very important in the team.
as for jordan and lebron comparison.. I know dey are from different generations.. but stats and how dey d team is built around dem u can tell already la dude.. im not saying mj is better den lebron coz im fan of mj. I know how lj plays and d result and stats tells. dont come to me and just bcoz im a fan of mj makes things unfair to lj. He has potential, is just dat he is way way way far off jordans achievement. Good players was built around jordan. So LJ needs to do d same, and take dat role of leadership as wat mj did. If can do dat, he will be as good as mj. no doubt even better. Coz he came in the NBA for such a very young age compared to mj. So he has many2 years to prove his worth and potential dere. But to make dat comparison now is just plain ridiculous. He gotta be paired up with Kobe's achievement at least at the moment. 

just wandering dude.. i bet u play basketball huh? u seriously into it like playing for a team and play in tournaments or playing it for the fun of it?
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To me he's the best offensive player and the best defensive player in the league for a number of years. To be the defensive player of the year with all the other things he had to do, to me, he's a marvel.


A quote from dave cowens
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As good as Chicago was offensively, they were better defensively primarily because of Michael Jordan.


A quote from George Mikan

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He's the one and only Michael Jordan. He does everything well. He's great offensively and defensively.


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It is proven offense is important, but ever since Jordan revolutionized the game, it is also proven that defense wins game.
Detroit, Spurs, this are the few times that excel in zonal, man to man marking. They've got players that can score AND defend. Zach Randolph is nothing compared to Marcus Camby in terms of value. Thats cause if you watch Zach's game, his is just pure offense, near 0 defense.

Offense is pure entertaining, defense is boring. That is why NBA has changed rules, especially hand checking, to ensure that the game remains entertaining. Phoenix, couldn't get pass the likes of Spurs, because of D. They have offense, but when it comes to striking a balance, they had a hard time doing it.

Of course MJ is popular for his offense. I mean, i would pay $1000 to watch him play during his peak. He makes simple dunk look so gracious. His airtime, movement and strike to basket is beyond belief. But it is his defense that is overlooked sometimes. I've been watching some of the old games, and i'm impressed with Jordan's defense.

True, defense takes the whole team, but if you are one good defender, you can limit the opponent's superstar. You said if someone can play defense but not offense they are rubbish. I am sorry to rebut that hardly. Bruce Bowen...? Ben Wallace...? Dennis 'Worm' Rodman...? Haha, i know what you mean, but dont say they are rubbish, they aren't just as outstanding :-)

I dont dare say much on LJ now, but let the games roll and see how it fares.

I play basketball, not tournament, but for fun. I am a jack of all trades, master of none...well i do master, but i just wanted to use that quote. heh

I was eligible to play for school/uni, but i had other commitments (Bowling and soccer in particular)

You wouldn't know what i'm willing to do, to be born 6 foot 5 and play BBall competitively. Been following basketball ever since Jordan started making his mark...actively following till now

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QUOTE(-Jonathan- @ Aug 27 2007, 11:15 PM)
a quote from Jerry West
A quote from dave cowens
A quote from George Mikan
For more orgasmic quotes of legendary basketball players..click here.

It  is proven offense is important, but ever since Jordan revolutionized the game, it is also proven that defense wins game.
Detroit, Spurs, this are the few times that excel in zonal, man to man marking. They've got players that can score AND defend. Zach Randolph is nothing compared to Marcus Camby in terms of value. Thats cause if you watch Zach's game, his is just pure offense, near 0 defense.

Offense is pure entertaining, defense is boring. That is why NBA has changed rules, especially hand checking, to ensure that the game remains entertaining. Phoenix, couldn't get pass the likes of Spurs, because of D. They have offense, but when it comes to striking a balance, they had a hard time doing it.

Of course MJ is popular for his offense. I mean, i would pay $1000 to watch him play during his peak. He makes simple dunk look so gracious. His airtime, movement and strike to basket is beyond belief. But it is his defense that is overlooked sometimes. I've been watching some of the old games, and i'm impressed with Jordan's defense.

True, defense takes the whole team, but if you are one good defender, you can limit the opponent's superstar. You said if someone can play defense but not offense they are rubbish. I am sorry to rebut that hardly. Bruce Bowen...? Ben Wallace...? Dennis 'Worm' Rodman...? Haha, i know what you mean, but dont say they are rubbish, they aren't just as outstanding :-)

I dont dare say much on LJ now, but let the games roll and see how it fares.

I play basketball, not tournament, but for fun. I am a jack of all trades, master of none...well i do master, but i just wanted to use that quote. heh

I was eligible to play for school/uni, but i had other commitments (Bowling and soccer in particular)

You wouldn't know what i'm willing to do, to be born 6 foot 5 and play BBall competitively. Been following basketball ever since Jordan started making his mark...actively following till now
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damn 6foot 5, dats hard to find...As malaysians team are really lacking when it comes to heights.. O well some people have dere own life and career objective ait.. u certainly made the right choice.. ehehehehhe... nod.gif
i wonder if u ever seen the malaysians team play.. i know a few malaysians dat play.. well d nonchinese only.. i played with k satheyaseelan ... he is such a good player..
i really admire his moves and skills..Too bad not all malaysian teams can play like him.
Anyway back to the nba.. wat i was pointing out was ur statement said MJ's defense tops his offense was not accurate to me.Of corse defense is important, but his individual performance and masterclass was coming out from his offense. His defense played out is role of corse. DAts y i said he has dat leadership role when it comes to defense. Good team defense plays good when u play good as 1 team. Not coming individually. But when u have jordan who can lead dat role in ensuring dat defense is the most important in a game, he steps in. Dats y i said jordan has dat leadership role and players around him learn and improve by his teachings and roleleader in court especially in DEFENSE. But individually, his OFFENSE is the best dat came out from him individually compared to his defense. To build a a good defense team u need players who play good as 1. But to be a good offense, u have to be a talented and skillfull player n dont really much rely on others. Jordan has BEST in both but better in OFfense. Well dats my personal view, maybe u others have ur own.
I think its better we have our own personal views rather den listen wat others say or quote in the net or public. But wat im stating is just based on my basketball experience playing (amateur only hehehe...) and coaching (amateur too hehehe) and also watching MJ plays like u since he made his marks..

By the way jon, where do u play basketball? any of u guys here play too?
i heard dat lwyat forum here play at npng.. so near my house.. really wud love get some pickup games...

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The guys have their basketball events weekly or monthly if im not mistaken

I'm now playing basketball in Australia..so...smile.gif

Opinions are rarely the same...so yea..biggrin.gif

Haven't watched Malaysians played, but i do know a few players that plays in the amateur level. They are good, but i always remind myself, this guys are barely 6 foot 1 and they are already this "slow" and has no control of ball so to speak. So imagine Steve Nash, doing all those. I would love to see it happen one day
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Boston To Sign Davis And Pruitt This Week

Celtics executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge returned to Boston last week after an extended stay with family in the San Diego area and predicted that second-round picks Glen Davis and Gabe Pruitt will be signed this week.

"They'll be done shortly," said Ainge

wow.. Boston's roster getting stronger..


Miami Still Working On Pietrus Deal


The Heat tried again last week to put together a sign-and-trade for Golden State restricted free agent small forward Mickael Pietrus, and the Warriors declined.

Miami's efforts to acquire Pietrus are ongoing.



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Boston's team not stronger..but they are providing depths

But unless all 3 of their big superstar goes down injured..they should do fine
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gosh.... without checking this thread for just a few days and all the talk about MJ?

I have to go with Jon on this.... MJ is GOAT because of his defensive presence.... There are lots of ppl who are skilled offensively but lack the defensive power of MJ thus not being able to be the GOAT.... players like Clyde, Magic etc... they are all so smooth on offense and nice to watch and can score whenever they want as well in their prime.... but non of them are as intimidating as MJ was on the defensive side.... players fear MJ when he is on offense.... but they trembles when they have to go against MJ's D....

O.... the other main thing that made him the GOAT is bcos of his clutchness... as clutch as Kobe is now, he is still no where near MJ.... and erm, btw, did I mention I am not a MJ fanatic? tongue.gif

Pippen is a nobody before getting to the Bulls? I have to say, back in those days, without internet, we would not know anything about college players in US would we? Pippen played for Bulls right out of the draft... true that MJ made him a better player in the way that he taught him how to play and made him who he was.... and during the 2 years MJ went and play baseball, Pippen lead the team into playoffs both years by being the main man on the then powerful eastern conference....

and for Rodman? He was the rebound king and bad boy before he came to the Bulls.... and he continues to play the same way while he was with the Bulls.... doubt MJ made much difference to him here beside bringing him his championship ring tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Glyyde @ Aug 29 2007, 05:40 AM)
gosh.... without checking this thread for just a few days and all the talk about MJ?

I have to go with Jon on this.... MJ is GOAT because of his defensive presence.... There are lots of ppl who are skilled offensively but lack the defensive power of MJ thus not being able to be the GOAT.... players like Clyde, Magic etc... they are all so smooth on offense and nice to watch and can score whenever they want as well in their prime.... but non of them are as intimidating as MJ was on the defensive side.... players fear MJ when he is on offense.... but they trembles when they have to go against MJ's D....

O.... the other main thing that made him the GOAT is bcos of his clutchness... as clutch as Kobe is now, he is still no where near MJ.... and erm, btw, did I mention I am not a MJ fanatic? tongue.gif

Pippen is a nobody before getting to the Bulls? I have to say, back in those days, without internet, we would not know anything about college players in US would we? Pippen played for Bulls right out of the draft... true that MJ made him a better player in the way that he taught him how to play and made him who he was.... and during the 2 years MJ went and play baseball, Pippen lead the team into playoffs both years by being the main man on the then powerful eastern conference....

and for Rodman? He was the rebound king and bad boy before he came to the Bulls.... and he continues to play the same way while he was with the Bulls.... doubt MJ made much difference to him here beside bringing him his championship ring tongue.gif
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i never did mentioned MJ defense is poor nor bad dude. I agree with all of u, his Defense is to be considered one of the best defender in NBA for his position. I was just hollering out his Offensive is better den his Defensive skills. But how to define a good defender? Is it he's rebounding,blocks and steals? But thats only can be seen on paper. Wat bout out of the paper, such as his leadership role, yelling his teammates where to go n be and recover positions in defense, boxing out, to switch whenever a screen-n-go takes place. Its hard to distinguish dat by just looking at stats rite. Dats y is hard to recognize him to be the best eventhough he has almost perfected dat in all roles defensively. But his offense shows dat, he can break a double team, triple team even the whole team and stil scores. Dats wat makes him unstoppable in offense.
I mean i dunno how u guys evaluate between these two criteria, but the fact is, he cant be compared to other players playing into different positions. To be the best defender in NBA, usually dey pick the ones with the highest rebounding, blocks and steals. Gary payton,oscar,cooper and MJ was the only pure Guards position to win the defensive player of the year award in the past 20 years i think. So is unfair to MJ due to his position playing Guard cant contribute much in rebounds and block shots. But his defensive skill 1on1 and stealing is superbly is one of the best. Its a pity for him dat people dont recognize him as the best defender in NBA. Dat i fully understand guys! thumbup.gif
But wen can make a comparison in Offense, he stands among all positions and player. And that is proven by his scoresheets , especially on his scorings. Of corse its unfair to others coz he plays shooting guard. But wrong again, it doesnt necessary goes dat way for a SG. A center can be the top contribution in scoring such as Abdul-Jabbar or Wilt Chamberlain. Even PF , Malone or Carmelo. Or PG, Magic Johnson and iverson. So dats my reason y i point out that he has a better offensive den his defense. And he is a complete package! As wat been described by Magic "I think he's God disguised as Michael Jordan".

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QUOTE(jumpman23 @ Aug 29 2007, 10:21 AM)
As wat been described by Magic "I think he's God disguised as Michael Jordan".
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that is from Larry Bird tongue.gif after Jordan scored 63 points but lost to Celtics

Jordan is a good defender to me, he has the highest steals per game (dunno which season), and the peak era of him, he got 30-8-8 season, almost triple double u know. when he had his highest score vs cleveland, besides 69 points, he had 18 rebounds too.

he is good in both end, just that his airness and high scoring overpowered it. and he is smart too, hardly get fouled out, plus he has great and reliable teammate so that he can concentrate more on offense.



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QUOTE(jayhan @ Aug 29 2007, 01:53 PM)
that is from Larry Bird tongue.gif after Jordan scored 63 points but lost to Celtics

Jordan is a good defender to me, he has the highest steals per game (dunno which season), and the peak era of him, he got 30-8-8 season, almost triple double u know. when he had his highest score vs cleveland, besides 69 points, he had 18 rebounds too.

he is good in both end, just that his airness and high scoring overpowered it. and he is smart too, hardly get fouled out, plus he has great and reliable teammate so that he can concentrate more on offense.
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opss.. oh yeah.. dat was larry bird alright. 4got .. gettin too old aledi.. hehehe
"deres jordan and then theres rest of us" wat magic mentioned.. hehehe
well he did score triple double 28 times dats normal for him yeah... but i think kidd is holding dat record..
but i just love watching him making those last minute winning shots.. and d way he works his ass off
to improve his 3points dat completed his offensive skills was remarkable.. he had d determination
to do anything n prove to anyone dat they are wrong...

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your kind obsession towards MJ has got to hold off the limit mate haha.

We know hes one of the greatest. Just that, props must be given to other players as well...i loved MJ, but that doesn't stop me from praising other players in comparison tongue.gif

Kidd has up to 80 triple doubles.

And no, a good defender doesn't just have to obtain statistical value on the paper

Bruce Bowen is a 7..or 8..or 9, (unsure), NBA defensive first team player, and he nearly won the defensive player of the year , twice i believe.

To top it off, he clipped the 1 steal per game and 1 block per game.

Anyone that plays basketball would know what it takes to be a top defender. And i can assure you, playing defensively is much more tiring than to play offense. I remember playing in a tournament, where i had to guard the opposing's point guard. He was so quick that i had to literally hug him out of the game. Of course i fouled out (heh), but i remember limiting him to a game low in point and had no factor until i was substituted out.

"Pancit" on offense, i had to just play defense because that was the way the coach planned the game out.


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