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post Dec 6 2020, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Dec 6 2020, 12:28 PM)
no u can't…u lack of pcie x4 slot…change mobo is the only solution.

or u could buy sata type of m.2 ssd together with sata m.2 to 2.5mm sata adapter and connect to your mobo with sata cable…

if u want higher speed why not buy 2 same ssd and do raid 0 on it.

nvme m.2 isn't for your mobo because your gpu already occupied the x16 slot
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Technically you can slot a PCIe x4 card in a x1 slot, as long as you have the correct adapter for that (or the slot itself is open ended) - PCIe is quite good when it comes to form factor flexibility icon_idea.gif

That being said, it's not worth doing that due to severe bandwidth constraints, i.e. the drive will perform slower than a regular SATA one due to the slots can only provide a maximum theoretical speed of 500MB/s icon_idea.gif

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post Dec 6 2020, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 6 2020, 12:56 PM)
Technically you can slot a PCIe x4 card in a x1 slot, as long as you have the correct adapter for that (or the slot itself is open ended) - PCIe is quite good when it comes to form factor flexibility icon_idea.gif

That being said, it's not worth doing that due to severe bandwidth constraints, i.e. the drive will perform slower than a regular SATA one due to the slots can only provide a maximum theoretical speed of 500MB/s icon_idea.gif
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yea…i know…but didn't see any m.2 pcie adapter card with that kind of pin

some more pointless for him to do so.
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post Dec 7 2020, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Dec 2 2020, 05:21 AM)
Just purchase ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 SATA.
Even though Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 SATA performance still faster than it, but consider the price of ADATA is half of Samsung.

I think it is worth to get ADATA. smile.gif
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Bro seems ur result is low.. im using the same NVME but 1GB.. usually the higher capacity has better performance

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post Dec 7 2020, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 7 2020, 09:37 AM)
Bro seems ur result is low.. im using the same NVME but 1GB.. usually the higher capacity has better performance

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I tested twice, results similar.

From what I remember, capacity in between 500 GB to 1 TB is the fastest one.

Below 500 GB and above 1 TB the performance will be lower and not the top.

Anyway that 2 TB is for storing games only not Windows OS, that slightly different is ok to me and I won’t go change it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Dec 7 2020, 10:07 AM)
I tested twice, results similar.

From what I remember, capacity in between 500 GB to 1 TB is the fastest one.

Below 500 GB and above 1 TB the performance will be lower and not the top.

Anyway that 2 TB is for storing games only not Windows OS, that slightly different is ok to me and I won’t go change it. smile.gif
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Probably try switch the position between slot 1 & slot 2..

I suspect either bandwidth sharing or some config in BIOS...

By right X570 should have enough dedicated bandwidth for both M22 slots..

The benchmark I did was not even on idle.. was on Teams Meeting ..

Im using X570 board too.. just that only using single slot now..

from spec sheet.. read & write sequential for both 1TB & 2TB is the same

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post Dec 7 2020, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 7 2020, 10:40 AM)
Probably try switch the position between slot 1 & slot 2..

I suspect either bandwidth sharing or some config in BIOS...

By right X570 should have enough dedicated bandwidth for both M22 slots..

The benchmark I did was not even on idle.. was on Teams Meeting ..

Im using X570 board too.. just that only using single slot now..

from spec sheet.. read & write sequential for both 1TB & 2TB is the same

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Hi, I am not going to switch, slot one is design for OS, even ADATA M.2 SSD in slot one faster also no point as I still using my Samsung M.2 SSD as OS.

This additional ADATA M.2 SSD 2TB is for installing games or movie REMUX or editing only. That slightly lower won’t impact the real life usage.

I think slot 2 is slower as slot 2 not even provide cooler cap like slot 1, the manual do mentioned not provide for slot 2.

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Actually after using aorus gen4 ssd 1tb for a while, the faster speed I don't really feel it in real life. Since my hdd is still sata 7200rpm, so file transfer speed isn't there too.

I paid premium for gen4 ssd, for new buyers I would advise you to only buy for the better endurance rather than speed. If gen3 endurance just as good, save the money and buy gen3 ssd. Endurance here means the TBW.
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Orico is doing a promo for M.2 to USB enclosure

RM33 for SATA 5Gb/s
RM37 for NVMe 10Gb/s

https://shopee.com.my/product/113963244/6145459040

Just bought mine biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Dec 6 2020, 12:28 PM)
no u can't…u lack of pcie x4 slot…change mobo is the only solution.

or u could buy sata type of m.2 ssd together with sata m.2 to 2.5" sata adapter and connect to your mobo with sata cable…

if u want higher speed why not buy 2 same ssd and do raid 0 on it.

nvme m.2 isn't for your mobo because your gpu already occupied the x16 slot
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 6 2020, 12:48 PM)
Don't bother with NVMe, just stick with SATA - for real life use there are no discernible difference between NVMe and SATA icon_idea.gif

Also, if you go for the NVMe adapter route, the drive will, ironically, performs slower than a SATA SSD, due to low PCIe bandwidth (PCIe 2.0 x1 only allows a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 500MB/s):
https://www.trentonsystems.com/blog/pcie-ge...n3-slots-speeds
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Thanks for the advice. Lucky came asking first before buying it. notworthy.gif

Guess my only option is to change the mobo. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Dec 7 2020, 11:25 PM)
Thanks for the advice. Lucky came asking first before buying it.  notworthy.gif

Guess my only option is to change the mobo. rclxub.gif
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Any reasons why you still insist of going NVME? For real world use there's not much difference between SATA and PCIe anyway icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 7 2020, 09:37 AM)
Bro seems ur result is low..
ADATA recently switch to a slower controller for the SX8200 Pro
Yours is an older unit which is using a faster controller

Andrewtst unit is newer which definitely uses the slower controller

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-xpg...ntroller-change
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 8 2020, 08:34 AM)
ADATA recently switch to a slower controller for the SX8200 Pro
Yours is an older unit which is using a faster controller

Andrewtst unit is newer which definitely uses the slower controller

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-xpg...ntroller-change
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Thanks for the clarification, now everything is understandable. smile.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 8 2020, 08:34 AM)
ADATA recently switch to a slower controller for the SX8200 Pro
Yours is an older unit which is using a faster controller

Andrewtst unit is newer which definitely uses the slower controller

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-xpg...ntroller-change
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no wonder..

well seem this no longer the best / easily available NVME.. will scout around for future purchase.. looking for a 2TB when price/gb become more reasonable
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 8 2020, 09:21 AM)
well seem this no longer the best / easily available NVME..
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Not only they switch to the slower controller, but they also switched to slower NAND chips as well

The only SSD that comes close to the performance of the previous SX8200 Pro is the HP EX950
Although they are a bit pricier than SX8200 Pro sweat.gif

https://shopee.com.my/HP-EX950-M.2-NVME-SOL...6108.5945137879

No, these are not OEM SSDs, they are actual retail SSD from HP with full 5-year retail manufacturing warranty
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 8 2020, 10:17 AM)
Yeap
Not only they switch to the slower controller, but they also switched to slower NAND chips as well

The only SSD that comes close to the performance of the previous SX8200 Pro is the HP EX950
Although they are a bit pricier than SX8200 Pro sweat.gif

https://shopee.com.my/HP-EX950-M.2-NVME-SOL...6108.5945137879

No, these are not OEM SSDs, they are actual retail SSD from HP with full 5-year retail manufacturing warranty
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Good choice for future then. It still far cheaper than Samsung.
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post Dec 8 2020, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 7 2020, 11:33 PM)
Any reasons why you still insist of going NVME?  For real world use there's not much difference between SATA and PCIe anyway icon_idea.gif
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Was thinking that since both SATA and m.2 SSD are about the same price, but m.2 being 5-8 times (correct me if Im wrong tongue.gif ) faster than SATA, it would be more future proof should I decide to upgrade my mobo. hmm.gif

On the other note, would a SATA - m.2 adapter like these work too? I found that my mobo provides USB 3.1 Gen 1, which theoretically supports up to 5Gps, and seeing that most middle range nvme are 2500mbps ~ 4000 mbps, would I get full speed with this adapter?

Link: https://shopee.com.my/EZcast-FastLiving-M2-...6873.4341074733
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Dec 8 2020, 01:07 PM)
but m.2 being 5-8 times (correct me if Im wrong  tongue.gif ) faster than SATA
Wrong terminology
M.2 is available for both SATA & NVMe

M.2 is only the connector. New Wi-Fi cards also use M.2 connector
Not all M.2 supports NVMe and the same thing for SATA, not all M.2 connector supports SATA

You need to check your system compatibility properly
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QUOTE(joeblow @ Dec 7 2020, 03:54 PM)
Actually after using aorus gen4 ssd 1tb for a while, the faster speed I don't really feel it in real life. Since my hdd is still sata 7200rpm, so file transfer speed isn't there too.

I paid premium for gen4 ssd, for new buyers I would advise you to only buy for the better endurance rather than speed. If gen3 endurance just as good, save the money and buy gen3 ssd. Endurance here means the TBW.
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waiting for direct storage before i commit to a new purchase. 1 tb is just not enough
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QUOTE(Melvin117 @ Nov 30 2020, 01:42 PM)
cold data gate exploded in china for western digital drives

files not accessed for 1 year+ can only be read at 10-100mbps

now see will it be evolved into a worldwide one or not, then WD and other brands will start fixing this
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no worry, in theory, it can be solved by a simply firmware upgrade.
but not very sure would affect TBW or not..
so sad to see so many 'high end' nvme ssd counter the same old issue that was happen many years ago.




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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Dec 8 2020, 01:07 PM)
Was thinking that since both SATA and m.2 SSD are about the same price, but m.2 being 5-8 times (correct me if Im wrong  tongue.gif ) faster than SATA, it would be more future proof should I decide to upgrade my mobo.  hmm.gif

On the other note, would a SATA - m.2 adapter like these work too? I found that my mobo provides USB 3.1 Gen 1, which theoretically supports up to 5Gps, and seeing that most middle range nvme are 2500mbps ~ 4000 mbps, would I get full speed with this adapter?

Link: https://shopee.com.my/EZcast-FastLiving-M2-...6873.4341074733
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M.2 is just the physical form factor, and electrically, it can either NVME (PCIE)/SATA/USB icon_idea.gif

There's no such thing as futureproofing anyway, especially there are plenty of tests that show no real world performance improvements going from SATA to NVME icon_idea.gif

Using a SATA to M.2 adapter is also a waste too, and worse still your NVME drive will not work as the underlying interface is incompatible icon_idea.gif

The product you've linked is a NVMe to USB enclosure, which allows you to turn your spare NVME drive into a regular USB flash drive icon_idea.gif

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I found that my mobo provides USB 3.1 Gen 1, which theoretically supports up to 5Gps, and seeing that most middle range nvme are 2500mbps ~ 4000 mbps, would I get full speed with this adapter?
Again, Gbps =! GBps (very different units)

USB 3.1 Gen 1 only supports up to 5Gbps (gigabits per second), which is about 625MBps (megabytes per second). Most NVME drives are quoted in megabytes per second (MBps)
For instance, if a NVME drive has read speeds of 2500MBps, then by mathematics, it should be 2500x8=20000Mbps=20Gbps icon_idea.gif
PCIe gen 3 x4 has a maximum theoretical speeds of 32Gbps (or 4GBps/4000MB/s) icon_idea.gif



So no, you won't be able to use NVME drives on that board, unless you like slower than SATA speeds due to PCIe link bottleneck sweat.gif

8 bits = 1 bytes, mind you icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Dec 8 2020, 07:42 PM

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