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KenC
post Nov 1 2017, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(kww @ Nov 1 2017, 07:53 PM)
I'm scare of uphill climb, leg is to weak. That's why need to ride more.
I like to keep my toy clean, little bit of TLC is needed especially when it is still new. There is some rust on the chain when I got it, as it is keep in store for some time.
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Your bike dirty becos got excessive oil ler. My bike no rust, no grease. If I must, I can rub it down with damp cloth. And because it's not greasy, I am willing to check the drive train more often. No need wash hand afterward.
You should get a replacement chain.

This post has been edited by KenC: Nov 1 2017, 08:22 PM
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post Nov 2 2017, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 1 2017, 02:43 PM)
If you can wait, i find fnhon from taobao value for money..sub 1k but good spec./
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which fnhon is that?
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post Nov 2 2017, 11:02 AM

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sorry got the price wrong, abit over 1k is about 1.2k

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....ucket=18#detail

QUOTE(dizismine @ Nov 2 2017, 10:01 AM)
which fnhon is that?
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post Nov 2 2017, 11:09 AM

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I cycle almost weekly to dragonback near bukit ramlee there.
i share with you my experience, first started on road bike, front 34t behind 28t, cannot make it up, need to stop a few times before can climb up.
Thereafter i change the to rear 34t front remain 34t, can make it already but also tiring, there i train for more than 1 year slowly i can climb with 34t front and behind 26t. Now I can go even lower than 26t but using 26t is effortless.
I don't have powerful legs nor light bike, my khs cheapest roadbike alone weight 10kg. the thing is it takes time to train up your leg, Last shah alam endurance ride, i see a lot of cervelo, sworks, bla bla all push up the same hill.
So no shortcut, one hill at a time,slowly you will conquer it all...


QUOTE(kww @ Nov 1 2017, 07:53 PM)
I'm scare of uphill climb, leg is to weak. That's why need to ride more.
I like to keep my toy clean, little bit of TLC is needed especially when it is still new. There is some rust on the chain when I got it, as it is keep in store for some time.
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post Nov 2 2017, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 2 2017, 10:09 AM)
I cycle almost weekly to dragonback near bukit ramlee there.
i share with you my experience, first started on road bike, front 34t behind 28t, cannot make it up, need to stop a few times before can climb up.
Thereafter i change the to rear 34t front remain 34t, can make it already but also tiring, there i train for more than 1 year slowly i can climb with 34t front and behind 26t. Now I can go even lower than 26t but using 26t is effortless.
I don't have powerful legs nor light bike, my khs cheapest roadbike alone weight 10kg. the thing is it takes time to train up your leg, Last shah alam endurance ride, i see a lot of cervelo, sworks, bla bla all push up the same hill.
So no shortcut, one hill at a time,slowly you will conquer it all...
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true that. Amen thumbup.gif

though i had a sinister satisfaction when i pass over those cervelo s works bla bla bla during events with my cheapo TRS foldy. it was like having a sinister laugh inside devil.gif . but still, i cant deny that i very much envy their bikes. will get one of those roadies once i have sufficient fund. wub.gif
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post Nov 2 2017, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 2 2017, 11:09 AM)
I cycle almost weekly to dragonback near bukit ramlee there.
i share with you my experience, first started on road bike, front 34t behind 28t, cannot make it up, need to stop a few times before can climb up.
Thereafter i change the to rear 34t front remain 34t, can make it already but also tiring, there i train for more than 1 year slowly i can climb with 34t front and behind 26t. Now I can go even lower than 26t but using 26t is effortless.
I don't have powerful legs nor light bike, my khs cheapest roadbike alone weight 10kg. the thing is it takes time to train up your leg, Last shah alam endurance ride, i see a lot of cervelo, sworks, bla bla all push up the same hill.
So no shortcut, one hill at a time,slowly you will conquer it all...
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Do you visit the 'pineapple juice' warung up there?

To me, that is............I am more concerned about cadence. Although I don't have a cadence sensor on my bike, I get used to a normal cadence. Doesn't matter if it is 75 rpm or 90 rpm (number that is considered a normal) or 120 rpm. Mine is approximately about 70 only. Just like the numerous railway flyovers here in Taiping, first time, I need to use the smaller chainrings and then as time goes by I don't need to change anymore and later stages , I have more than enough gears on my cassette even with the largest chainring. And all this while, my cadence is unchanged. If I ever want to pursue or catch up with faster riders.........I will have to either go higher gears which affects my 'pedal effort' or increase my cadence in which both will disrupt my cycling norms. I won't last long if I do that. So, I don't catch up with them, they still need to wait when regrouping and if they don't , no matter anyway.

If I run out of gears when doing uphill, I will add some extra 'pedal effort' but I don't force myself either because this is the main cause of 'butt pain' when the pelvic bones are pressed hard. Once this happens, goodbye to your ride for that day. It won't go off unless you take a few hours rest. Better to push your bike up.

Off course I am talking about regular recreational fun riders and not race riders or serious riders, ya! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 2 2017, 06:55 PM

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U all very strong leg ooo!
I also priorities cadance, even if the speed drop to a crawl. Keep changing gears to achieve that. My focus is cardiovascular exercise and not building strength... BUT if one cycle enough, strength will improve overtime, like it or not.

I try to always pedaling lightly all the way even on downhill… otherwise the average speed will be below 10kmh.

From my experiments, butt pain is due to not enough cycling smile.gif

It takes months and months and thousands of km to build up strength and stamina, but loosing them if I stop cycling for 2~3 weeks… damn! It's harder than keeping money in my wallet…

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post Nov 2 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 2 2017, 11:09 AM)
I cycle almost weekly to dragonback near bukit ramlee there.
i share with you my experience, first started on road bike, front 34t behind 28t, cannot make it up, need to stop a few times before can climb up.
Thereafter i change the to rear 34t front remain 34t, can make it already but also tiring, there i train for more than 1 year slowly i can climb with 34t front and behind 26t. Now I can go even lower than 26t but using 26t is effortless.
I don't have powerful legs nor light bike, my khs cheapest roadbike alone weight 10kg. the thing is it takes time to train up your leg, Last shah alam endurance ride, i see a lot of cervelo, sworks, bla bla all push up the same hill.
So no shortcut, one hill at a time,slowly you will conquer it all...
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Wah! 10kg so light! Mine is also very light, 15kg only tongue.gif

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post Nov 2 2017, 08:13 PM

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guys, is trinx dolphin 1.0 ok for weekends ride? wanna do long distance riding
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post Nov 3 2017, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(chinti @ Nov 2 2017, 08:13 PM)
guys, is trinx dolphin 1.0 ok for weekends ride? wanna do long distance riding
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Can you be more specific? Most of us here do 100km ride during weekends… (well it's the only time to do anyway)
Plenty do 200km in a day too…

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QUOTE(KenC @ Nov 3 2017, 12:11 AM)
Can you be more specific? Most of us here do 100km ride during weekends… (well it's the only time to do anyway)
Plenty do 200km in a day too…
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ya max 100km for me. was wondering is tht bike enough or should i save a bit more and get dahon
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post Nov 3 2017, 09:02 AM

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i am not a cadence guy, i use brute force or very leisure pace. hence i can never follow peleton. when i see one i chase them like a mad dog chasing human. after a while no energy i will just santai ride.
maybe in future i will try to polish my cycling with cadence..but for now..mad dog style.
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QUOTE(chinti @ Nov 3 2017, 08:42 AM)
ya max 100km for me. was wondering is tht bike enough or should i save a bit more and get dahon
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Frankly, to do 100km in a day is actually quite a feat for folding bikes. It's no problem for road bikes as their bikes are designed for aerodynamics and they weigh averagely 8 kilos only. Also most of their wheelsets are not more than 2 kilos with tires. This makes the rolling very much smoother. Coming back to folding bikes, to assemble one less than 12 kilos will take bucks and bucks of dough. So, don't expect a 1K or 2K folding bike to be sub 12 kilos. Doing 100 km, entails very reliable components and this also means more bucks. Even some of our friends' foldies of forummers within here, I can guess their toys cost more than 5K when they assemble.

It is easier for us that tinker with our own bikes. If you can't, it will cost a lot more for labour charges to send to LBS for some upgrades or even more for mods.

In your case, Dahons and Terns which meets your requirement to be in the 5K or more range. Even if we start with a Dahon Route, which is now selling for 1.6K is shodded with the basic 7 speed. And even with this, after some basic mods on it like wheelset change, groupset change will come back to square one, more than 4K. So, your best bet is Java. They are the ones that captures your segment. They will get bulk OEM components and make their frames either tough or light (you choose one biggrin.gif ) and fit in 16 speed or 18 speed. Never 20 speed though because 20 speed is still relevant in biking circles so the 8 speeds and 9 speeds are much cheaper to get their components. But it does serve the purpose nowadays as companies like Sunrace makes cassette with their higher end range. So, technically speaking, 16 or 18 speeds actually performs the same as 20 or 22 speeds if you get the right cassette. Then again, higher ends and more lasting or robust components are all 10 speeds and above nowadays.

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QUOTE(etigge @ Nov 3 2017, 09:22 AM)
Frankly, to do 100km in a day is actually quite a feat for folding bikes. It's no problem for road bikes as their bikes are designed for aerodynamics and they weigh averagely 8 kilos only. Also most of their wheelsets are not more than 2 kilos with tires. This makes the rolling very much smoother. Coming back to folding bikes, to assemble one less than 12 kilos will take bucks and bucks of dough. So, don't expect a 1K or 2K folding bike to be sub 12 kilos. Doing 100 km, entails  very reliable components and this also means more bucks. Even some of our friends' foldies of forummers within here, I can guess their toys cost more than 5K when they assemble.

It is easier for us that tinker with our own bikes. If you can't, it will cost a lot more for labour charges to send to LBS for some upgrades or even more for mods.

In your case, Dahons and Terns which meets your requirement to be in the 5K or more range. Even if we start with a Dahon Route, which is now selling for 1.6K is shodded with the basic 7 speed. And even with this, after some basic mods on it like wheelset change, groupset change will come back to square one, more than 4K. So, your best bet is Java. They are the ones that captures your segment. They will get bulk OEM components and make their frames either tough or light (you choose one  biggrin.gif ) and fit in 16 speed or 18 speed. Never 20 speed though because 20 speed is still relevant in biking circles so the 8 speeds and 9 speeds are much cheaper to get their components. But it does serve the purpose nowadays as companies like Sunrace makes cassette with their higher end range. So, technically speaking, 16 or 18 speeds actually performs the same as 20 or 22 speeds if you get the right cassette. Then again, higher ends and more lasting or robust components are all 10 speeds and above nowadays.
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actually, how far can 7 speed go? i look at java and dahon, their 7 speed range easily cost 1k and above already
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I just got back from Lerun Warehouse sales.
Managed to catch one Tern P24 for RM300.
I am still in the state of shock as i type.
They claimed got defect but i cannot see any.
Even for parts it is worth it.
2 Schwalbe Marathon Tyres New
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post Nov 3 2017, 11:20 AM

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Faster go to Lerun Warehouse, Tern B7 selling for RM750...

QUOTE(chinti @ Nov 3 2017, 09:34 AM)
actually, how far can 7 speed go? i look at java and dahon, their 7 speed range easily cost 1k and above already
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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 3 2017, 11:20 AM)
Faster go to Lerun Warehouse, Tern B7 selling for RM750...
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working now ><
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QUOTE(chinti @ Nov 3 2017, 08:34 AM)
actually, how far can 7 speed go? i look at java and dahon, their 7 speed range easily cost 1k and above already
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it can go as far as you can actually manage to paddle. what matter is not the number of speed it can gives you, but about the number of teeth in the cogs/cassette, and whether you can cope with the ratio it offers compared to your pedalling cadence.

eg : rb 11-25 10 speed has smaller ratio ratio than 11-28. close ratio. 11 speed add one more ratio, you get 1 extra smaller ratio. it wont matter to some people, but that extra teeth will make a difference when u are out for spirited ride/competing. that's why rb is using close ratio cassette, less time being a harmster, energy spent wisely on the road.

mtb use wider ratio cassette, and smaller chainrings due to the trail it's ridden. let's say. 11-36. that 36 is needed for steep climb. it wont be suitable for faster rides like rb, because it is not catered for that kind of rides. the groupset is designed so that rider may tackle any kind of trail or climbs they may encountered.

as for foldies, i have used both mtb and rb setups for cassette, 11-36/11-28/11-25. since we mostly ride on the road, the best for me is using close gear ratio. the number of speeds wont really matter much for my needs. my dahon still use 8 speeds 11-32 cassette, and my TRS using 10 speeds 11-28 cassettes. if i want faster ride, i use the bike with the 10 speed for the close ratio it offer, if i want a santai ride, that 8 speed is more than sufficient. both can easily be ridden for 100km no prob.
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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 3 2017, 10:14 AM)
I just got back from Lerun Warehouse sales.
Managed to catch one Tern P24 for RM300.
I am still in the state of shock as i type.
They claimed got defect but i cannot see any.
Even for parts it is worth it.
2 Schwalbe Marathon Tyres New
etc etc...
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what?!!!! shocking.gif

sell to me rm350. rm50 profit thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gck @ Nov 3 2017, 11:14 AM)
I just got back from Lerun Warehouse sales.
Managed to catch one Tern P24 for RM300.
I am still in the state of shock as i type.
They claimed got defect but i cannot see any.
Even for parts it is worth it.
2 Schwalbe Marathon Tyres New
etc etc...
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Nice buy. Any other stuff worth buying?


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