Apr 2 2007, 12:15 PM, updated 19y ago
Upon reading this little news update on the AVS forums, there might be solution to our problem. Here is a short snip of the news:
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Answering other questions, both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output ("7.5 IRE vs 0"). And as someone mentioned, using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking.
I did a little research on the 7.5 IRE and 0 IRE black levels and came out with this:
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The 360 passes a below black pluge, but its default black level is 7.5 IRE with no way of adjusting it to 0 IRE. You'll have to adjust your display accordingly, as black levels will appear elevated. The white level of this player is a tad low at 98 IRE but still within our passing criteria. I wish manufacturers would pay closer attention to their output levels, as a properly calibrated display will have to be re-adjusted for these issues.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/sho...function=searchQUOTE
My biggest problem with anything 480p on the 360 is the incorrect black level compared to HD signals. It outputs at the NTSC standard of 7.5 IRE and not 0 IRE like almost every other progressive scan DVD player, so everything is grey and washed out. Same applies to backwards compatible games, which rendered at a good black level on the regular XBOX. Actually, come to think of it, Halo 2 played on the 360 is all washed out too, in 720p. I really wish they'd fix that.
http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/Xbox_360_s..._Stunningly_BadQUOTE
...since SDTV uses 7.5 IRE for black levels and HDTV uses 0 IRE...
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=516186&page=5Okay enough of the lecture, here's the summary for you lazy readers:
1. LCD TV/LCD monitors uses a 0 IRE black level.
2. Xbox360 outputs a 7.5 IRE black level (the black level used in US [NTSC US], instead of 0 IRE [NTSC Japan].
Therefore, due to a mismatch of black level profiles, those who use VGA through LCD TV/Monitors will have 'brighter' black levels and as a result, lead to 'washed' out colours.
As a Dell 24" 2407 A04 user myself, I had to access the Service Menu and manually change the colour levels to produce a 'pure black' black, instead of the 'grey' black.
I hope this little compilation of mine will give other Xbox360-LCD users a sigh of relief.
DISCLAIMER: Please remember, this is not a 100% confirmed fix for our washed out colours problem. I'm merely coming to my own theory and conclusion after some thorough research. If the spring update doesn't fix this problem, too bloody bad.
This post has been edited by Gurdian: May 10 2007, 10:18 AM
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unnatural gamecolors FTW !
Must go do some comparison.
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and it seems that MKV is a low priority for future updates.
but this still means we can go on LIVE and play online right?
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