A tale of a retired captain who lost his ship to pirates due to his very own corrupted system of navigation he invented, bringing all fighting passengers aimlessly into the uncharted water, without knowing that the ship is sinking.

Wow.. /k now becomes RWI

What do you mean by sincere? I think they want to defeat BN because then they are in position of power. Whether they want to do that for the sake of the citizens of for themselves or for a mix of both is seperate, but I think they sincerely want to be in position of power.

Current people in power also about corruption and cronyism though, and I think opposition will have some degree of that too. I think it's harder to avoid in malaysian political system because of the governance and political structure. But back to the principle point that you were making, the idea that, although not spoken, but is understood, is that mahathir was prolly corrupt, they know it but principally they can take him and not allow him to continue to be corrupt, the past is the past, past is important but future is more important.

In the hacker scenario, it's more akin to hiring that hacker but that hacker has stage 4 cancer. Mahathir won't be around for that much longer plus you don't know what they have or have not agreed on. They probably have some agreements and understanding. Personally I think mahathir wants to protect and secure his people (his cronys, children, etc), I don't think he wants to build an empire like he did before. 1 is iffy but tolerable the other is a problem.

Same as in still has his wits and intellect sure, but mahathir back then had power, mahathir today doesn't, at least not to the same extent.

This post has been edited by silic0sis: Aug 14 2017, 06:29 PM

dude, you do know you're talking to one who deadly seriously believes usd700 million in personal account is donation right? I mean, like, do you REALLY want to debate/waste your time with the kind of ppl that deadly seriously believes usd700 million in personal account is donation ??? i think you go feed some stray dogs is better than spending 1 minute with this keown83

yes? No one is stupid enough to give 700mil to one person.

Saudi Royal family already mentioned that's their donation in the hope that Malaysia continue to be a moderate country (what they really mean is for Malaysia to support them when the need arises). They would rather UMNO continue to lead Malaysia than lets say Pakatan's Anwar who is leaning toward Islamic Brotherhood and Turkey. This is a totally reasonable donation from Saudi.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Aug 14 2017, 10:14 PM

You believe USD700 MILLION in PERSONAL account is DONATION?

actually mahathir devalue of the currency from 1:1 from sing dollar and growing protectionism is what make us poorer.
the reason you might think that old times are great is due to nostalgia effect (which also help trump) as well as high amount of subsidies which is the reason for lacks of innovation, efficiency in market.the debt issue is a turt. at 55% debt to GDP is still far away from singapore at 100% nor china at 250%

if you think racism is a problem that talk about it like this, express yourself and in some time some sorts of equilibrium will emerged and not surrender our freedom of expression for so called national interest whereby it just keep those feeling under wrap like a ticking time bomb.

Yeah I agree singapore was better managed, thus grew at a much faster rate then malaysia. It's not as simple as saying mahathir "devalued" our currency though, to have a better understanding, the exchange comparison should be made with the USD in mind as well, which tells a better story of our country's growth, recession and situation. Comparing with singapore alone doesn't say much, the reality is singapore grew and progressed at a much faster rate than malaysia and their growth is remarkable by any standard, to see their "story" you can compare SGD vs USD.

I don't think old times were great, but they were tolerable because at least the country was growing. In hindsight, you are right though, we definitely should have voted BN out a long time ago. Mahathir's NEP, protectionism, cronyism, corruption, manipulation of the system has fked us. The current regime is able to do what they do with such ease because of mahathir. At least we agree that BN has been bad, but people back then were too afraid to take chances and they're only willing to take a chance now, when they're starting to hurt, when it's already almost too late.
I don't disagree with cutting subsidies or implementation of GST system, only maybe that it should have been done more gradually. I don't agree with welfare that US has for example but I don't think welfare should be removed suddenly, it should be more gradual because things like this greatly affects the markets and therefore growth and economy.

Your suggestion regarding racism might work if there was a proper marketplace of ideas and proper free speech, which doesn't exist in malaysia with our current political climate/situation. It's made more difficult by policies that are racist by nature and racist propogranda. The marketplace of ideas you are talking about requires government to stay out of race politics and allow social discourse and the equilibrium you're talking about to happen naturally.

I see that you're taking some arguments from the (US) conservative playbook which is great, but you have to keep in mind, the core idea behind conservativism is small government and individual freedoms, both of which are based on their constitution, ie. The government's role is clearly stated within the constitution, individual rights are clearly stated within the constitution. Small government is about reducing government power and influence over it's citizens, reducing government influence over individual beliefs, ideas and rights (necessary for a marketplace of ideas to exist), reducing government influence over the marketplace (free market). In Malaysia, neither party believes in this style of governance.

This post has been edited by silic0sis: Aug 14 2017, 11:30 PM

This thread is becoming RWI, seriously noted that

RWI? whats that?

Masing2 search google to act pandai lol

Please close thread. This thread is making people more confusing on the situation. If you want to understand the real situation, go work with PDRM. Not speak to give info here.

This post has been edited by akatsuki_91: Aug 15 2017, 01:39 AM

I dunno whether it was misquoted or indeed if TDM said RM42b was missing.

fact is 1mdb has +/- RM42b of debt.

and supposedly has RM60b worth of assets.

but all of those assets are grossly inflated, and in reality not really worth RM60 billion in total bcos:

1. RM8 billion of TRX land is when it's completed, right now it's still in construction. but ok since it's already in development, let's take the Rm8billion at that value.

2. Bandar Malaysia value of RM26 billion is also when it's completed. and this is IF another developer is found to actually realise (aka build it up to become) RM26 billion. If not it's just a soon-to-be-decommissioned airfield land only worth maybe Rm2-3 billion. Do recall that originally if Bandar Malaysia were to be developed by the original developer IWH-CREC, they claim it would be worth RM10billion once completed.

so now yang dikendong (RM10billion) tak dapat, yang dikejar (RM26 billion) berciciran?

ke orang tamak selalu rugi, bagai anjing dan bayang-bayang?

3. Brazen sky funds are in units of unknown denomination. and unfortunately it's inside the closed BSI bank.

or in cayman islands.

well it's somewhere just not in Malaysia.

if it does exist, then how come it took so long to monetize (aka withdraw) the funds to pay off IPIC.

4. ah, the claimed USD3.5 billion from IPIC. so now we want to claim something we never paid to them?

really, they have a letter claiming aabar BVI is owned by IPIC?

then why IPIC still insists it's not theirs?

and why when we go to arbitration this proof was never submitted? or was not accepted by the arbiters?

wow, 1mdb didn't lose the arbitration? then why did 1mdb still have to pay IPIC the USD1.2 billion which IPIC lent to 1MDB?

and that all payments related to the USD3.5 billion bond payment will now be under the responsibility of 1mdb and MoF Inc. Malaysia?

and that according to IPIC's official statement:

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchang...K/13201700.html

and the last sentence, IPIC does not recognize aabar (BVI) as theirs since they call it certain entities and not IPIC's subsidiary Aabar Investments PJS (BVI)...

yeah I agree this deserves a different tered, but as if you wanna participate...

If you are accusing the Royal Family of Saudi of lying and obstruction of justice I would suggest you direct the accusation directly to the Saudi authority.

Also if I am to compare what the Royal family of Saudi said versus the words coming from Pakatan leaders, I will take the words of the Saudi Royal anything. Pakatun leaders have been caught lying multiple times to suit their power hungry needs. So yeah what is there not to believe.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Aug 15 2017, 04:06 PM

susah ni nak dapat suar

Kit siang mastermind..
Can control budak2 melayu..
Logic UMNGOK....

yes true

there no malay in dap

all cina