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Faidzal
post Aug 13 2017, 11:47 PM

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tragedy memali:

1. salahan TGHHA (specifically amanat haji hadi)

2. salahan TDM (for taking action against the PAS ppl who are terlampau taksub kpd amanat haji hadi)

3. salahan UMNO (for propagating that amanat)

4. salahan PAS (for also propagating same amanat).

amanat haji hadi was the main reason for stuff like solat 2 imam, sembelihan orang UMNO tak sah, budaya takfir (mengkafirkan orang lain) etc.

arwah Ibrahim Libya was too absorbed and blinded by amanat haji hadi that he declared war against Malaysia, and PAS ppl then didn't do much to stem his beliefs and efforts to corral his supporters.

yes haji hadi awang had stopped propagating this amanat, but every now and then this amanat is dugged up like a dead horse to instigate muslims against other muslims, malays against other malays.

in fact as recent as last 2 elections that BN/UMNO dug up that old amanat to scare the non-muslims from voting PAS (when pas was still with pakatan).

I bet you next year the same thing will happen again in GE14....
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post Aug 14 2017, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2017, 05:55 AM)
thought arwah ibrahim libya was a jihadist?
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1. first of all, there's no such word as 'jihadi'. it's a corrupted arab word by supposedly-smart western journos to describe person who is on a path of jihad.

the correct term for that would be a mujahid. just as how a person who professes Islam is a Muslim.

2. so is ibrahim libya a mujahid? depends on who you asked.

the end reward for a mujahid who dies in battle is martyrdom (syahid).

PAS claims those who died in memali are syuhada (ppl die in syahid)

meanwhile the national the fatwa council declared those who died in memali are not syuhada.

my opinion? "pahala dan dosa kerja Allah".

3. more important question, why ibrahim libya claimed his fight against the govt./police/etc. as a jihad?

and that's where the amanat haji hadi comes in.

further reading:

http://ww1.utusan.com.my/utusan/Rencana/20...wang-1981-salah

http://drmaza.com/home/?p=2255

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...dosa-amanatnya/

TL;DR ibrahim libya blinded by amanat haji hadi awang...

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post Aug 14 2017, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 14 2017, 10:26 AM)
Duit apa yang hilang? sampai sekrang tiada bukti ada duit hilang

1MDB sendiri pun dah maklum tiada duit yang hilang dari 1MDB

dalam parlimen pun dah bagitau..PAC pun x habaw ada duit hilang..so duit apa yang hilang?

dah banyak kali explain masih tak paham2 lagi

la ni Claire Recastle Brown pun dah kantoi tak dapat bagi bukti kat mahkamah London yang semua tuduhan dia dari duit 1MDB sampai duit rm90 juta PAS terima dari Najib tu betgul & bukan fitnah semata-mata

itu menunjukkan apa?
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umm, then why have to pay IPIC twice?

why claim we paid to the correct aabar yet IPIC (as owners of aabar) claim that's not their aabar?

why still have to pay USD600 million by 31st august 2017 (after missing the 2 earlier deadlines?)

why still another USD600million due to IPIC in 31st december?

that's usd1.2billion + the USD3.5 billion aabar money that IPIC claimed they never received?

why lose the arbitration if we did indeed have proof that the aabar in BVI is the aabar owned by IPIC?
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post Aug 14 2017, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(darthboyzzee @ Aug 14 2017, 10:37 AM)
So hilang ke? Kenapa 1mdb nak peduli apa shell buat ngan duit tu? Ayam konpius.  confused.gif
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yes hilang la?

kalau tak peduli kenapa sampai kalah arbitration?

arbitration tu timbangtara pasal 1mdb kata dah bayar hutang kpd syarikat betul, tapi pemilik syarikat tu kata tu bukan syarikat dia.

kalah jugak, kena bayar lagi USD3.5billion nanti.

kenapa kena bayar lagi USD600 million (itupun lambat bayar).

hujung tahun ni lagi USD600 million kena bayar jugak.

takpe, kau kan kopi pes, memang la selalu konpius.

tu yang salah bayar kat akaun orang lain...

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post Aug 14 2017, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 14 2017, 10:43 AM)
sape cakap takde? duit apa yang hilang? sapa yang kata duit hilang tu pegi cayman island? 1mdb ka yang cakap?
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USD3.5 billion paid to aabar investments pjs (BVI) or british virgin islands.

IPIC as owners of aabar investments claim the aabar BVI is not theirs.

went to london arbitration to contest this claim. 1mdb lost.

have to pay back the USD1.2 billion that IPIC paid on behalf of 1mdb before arbitration started.

had to beg for extension bcos cannot pay the 1st payment of USD600million....

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post Aug 14 2017, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Aug 14 2017, 10:44 AM)
Yeap. 1mdb yang cakap ada kat cayman island.

Cuba je la google 1mdb cayman island. Banyak result. Sila la baca
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that one is the brazen sky fund, rite?

not in dollars, not in ringgit, but in units.

yes?

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post Aug 14 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 14 2017, 11:28 AM)
result banyak datang dari single source, WSJ..even yang report tu pelbagai media, depa banyak ambil dari source yang sama, WSJ..WSJ ni taraf berita dia sama ja macam Sarawak Report, tak credible..sekarang Claire Recastle Brown pun gagal nak kemukakan bukti di mahkamah London berkenaan semua tuduhan2 dia berkaitan1MDB, Najib & duit RM90juta bagi kat PAS..so ini menunjukkan apa?

1MDB punya balance sheet ada RM51b aset

so duit apa yang hilang? berapa banyak hilang? RM42b macam yang Tun M habaq ka? cuba explain sat berapa sebenarnya yang hilang
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4379368/all

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QUOTE(darthboyzzee @ Aug 5 2017, 02:23 AM)
Aku komen artikel kau esok. Sekarang malas nak tido. cool2.gif

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Because 1MDB simply does not have any more substantial tangible assets or cash in its books, the Malaysians taxpayer will have to pay for most of 1MDB’s still-outstanding debts including:
RM5 billion 30-year bond guaranteed by the federal government issued in 2009;(Due only in the year 2039)
US$3.5 billion 10-year bonds issued in 2012, now guaranteed by MOF Inc;(due in the year 2022)
US$3 billion 10-year bond issued in 2013, guaranteed with a ‘Letter of Support’ issued by Finance Minister Najib Abdul Razak; (due in the year 2023)
US$1.23 billion borrowed from IPIC in 2015, guaranteed by MOF Inc; (it is actually an advance on the settlement - not a loan but it is due to repay by end of 2017)
RM800 million loan from Socso in 2010, guaranteed by the federal government; and
RM2.4 billion sukuk issued in 2013, which have already been assumed by MOF. (due in 2022)
The above sums up to RM8.2 billion and US$7.73 billion, (exchange rate USD1-RM4.33) or a combined total of RM41.7 billion.


*notice that other than the US$1.23 billion due within this year, the rest are all long-term debts.

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so dah bangun tidor belum?

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1. wow, even after selling the power assets, still hutang +/- rm41.7 billion?

all in the form of bonds?

so each year kena bayar dividen/interest on the bond?

let's say bond flat rate is 5%, meaning each year 1mdb/MoF kena bayar RM2.085 billion...

ada duit ke? USD600 juta pun siap mintak tangguh?

2. gambar paling lawak yang aku tak spoilerkan tu...

a. rm8billion tu harga klu dah SIAP! sekarang ni cuma bangunan MRT je siap, nasib baik duit nak buat MRT ada dan dah asingkan siap2

(itupun pakai sukuk/Islamic bond jugak...)

haritu tabung haji berdegar kata pembelian Tanah TRX tu untung, klu nak jual balik pun berebut orang nak beli.

apa jadi sekarang? Tanah TRX yang belum terjual pun macam takde yang minat je? whistling.gif

b. bandar Malaysia bernilai rm26 billion? itu sama cerita macam orang letak harga ayam serama dia rm26k.

padahal masa beli rm500 pun tak sampai.

dan nilai rm26 billion tu KALAU DAH SIAP!

yang bodohnya dah ada developer (IWH-CREC) yang at least akan develop sampai dapat Rm10 billion PERGI TERMINATE!


kenapa? pasal kononnya klu IWH-CREC buat hanya jadi Rm10 billion, tp klu ada developer lain buat boleh dapat nilai RM26 billion...

orang tamak selalu rugi, jangankan Rm26 billion, rm10 billion pun takde dah.

pasal terminate kontrak.

mana dalian wanda yang nak labur sampai nilai bandar Malaysia jadi rm26 billion tu?

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kau faham ke apa aku tulis ni?

c. lulz, inilah yang dikatakan duit dlm brazen sky dll tu (monetization of USD2.5billion).

ada lagi ke duit brazen sky? whistling.gif

bank yang kononnya simpan duit brazen sky tu pun dah kena tutup...

faham ke apa aku tulis ni?

d. most LOLOLOLOLOL of all.

nak dapatkan balik USD3.5billion drpd IPIC?

dah IPIC sendiri claim 1mdb never paid them the USD3.5billion due, now you expect them to pay you back for money you never gave them in the 1st place?

apa guna arbitration? kenapa 1mdb masih kena bayar IPIC lagi tapi 1mdb nak balik duit yang diorang TAK PERNAH BAYAR?

kau faham ke apa yang kau kopi pes ni?

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post Aug 14 2017, 12:10 PM

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lulz ada orang sudah kena mute, baru nak reply tadi...
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post Aug 14 2017, 12:13 PM

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btw brazen sky funds in units are now inside the closed BSI bank:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singap...d-milli-7723668
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post Aug 14 2017, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Aug 14 2017, 12:13 PM)
siapa kena mute?
ayam did nothing  brows.gif  brows.gif  innocent.gif  innocent.gif
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ohigho kot?

it's either jolokia or khalpowers/marton
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post Aug 15 2017, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 14 2017, 01:02 PM)
OK

so its not RM42b that went missing as Tun M alleged, isnt it?

i ask the fella which money went missing & how much, thats all

i think u miss the bus a lot..its been circulated earlier that Aabr BVI is indeed belongs to IPIC
even got the letter as a proof that u can search in google

1mdb lost in the arbitration? i didnt remember i read in any official statement be it from IPIC or 1MDB or even from court that say 1MDB lost the arbitration.

the money is not missing as the money does not belongs to 1MDB anyway.

i see that PH have a different set of allegation from different party..those who aligned with DAP will question about the alleged USD3.5b money missing regarding IPIC-1MDB..the other PH fag whose aligned with Tun M keep insisting that RM42b missing as alleged by Tun M..so u see how disunite u guys in PH? even among  guys regarding the same 1MDB issue also u guys have difference allegation 

ur argument deserve different thread if u want anyway
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I dunno whether it was misquoted or indeed if TDM said RM42b was missing.

fact is 1mdb has +/- RM42b of debt.

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Because 1MDB simply does not have any more substantial tangible assets or cash in its books, the Malaysians taxpayer will have to pay for most of 1MDB’s still-outstanding debts including:
RM5 billion 30-year bond guaranteed by the federal government issued in 2009;(Due only in the year 2039)
US$3.5 billion 10-year bonds issued in 2012, now guaranteed by MOF Inc;(due in the year 2022)
US$3 billion 10-year bond issued in 2013, guaranteed with a ‘Letter of Support’ issued by Finance Minister Najib Abdul Razak; (due in the year 2023)
US$1.23 billion borrowed from IPIC in 2015, guaranteed by MOF Inc; (it is actually an advance on the settlement - not a loan but it is due to repay by end of 2017)
RM800 million loan from Socso in 2010, guaranteed by the federal government; and
RM2.4 billion sukuk issued in 2013, which have already been assumed by MOF. (due in 2022)
The above sums up to RM8.2 billion and US$7.73 billion, (exchange rate USD1-RM4.33) or a combined total of RM41.7 billion.
and supposedly has RM60b worth of assets.

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but all of those assets are grossly inflated, and in reality not really worth RM60 billion in total bcos:

1. RM8 billion of TRX land is when it's completed, right now it's still in construction. but ok since it's already in development, let's take the Rm8billion at that value.

2. Bandar Malaysia value of RM26 billion is also when it's completed. and this is IF another developer is found to actually realise (aka build it up to become) RM26 billion. If not it's just a soon-to-be-decommissioned airfield land only worth maybe Rm2-3 billion. Do recall that originally if Bandar Malaysia were to be developed by the original developer IWH-CREC, they claim it would be worth RM10billion once completed.

so now yang dikendong (RM10billion) tak dapat, yang dikejar (RM26 billion) berciciran?

ke orang tamak selalu rugi, bagai anjing dan bayang-bayang?

3. Brazen sky funds are in units of unknown denomination. and unfortunately it's inside the closed BSI bank.

or in cayman islands.

well it's somewhere just not in Malaysia.

if it does exist, then how come it took so long to monetize (aka withdraw) the funds to pay off IPIC.

4. ah, the claimed USD3.5 billion from IPIC. so now we want to claim something we never paid to them?

really, they have a letter claiming aabar BVI is owned by IPIC?

then why IPIC still insists it's not theirs?

and why when we go to arbitration this proof was never submitted? or was not accepted by the arbiters?

wow, 1mdb didn't lose the arbitration? then why did 1mdb still have to pay IPIC the USD1.2 billion which IPIC lent to 1MDB?

and that all payments related to the USD3.5 billion bond payment will now be under the responsibility of 1mdb and MoF Inc. Malaysia?

and that according to IPIC's official statement:

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchang...K/13201700.html

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International Petroleum Investment Company PJSC (IPIC), Aabar Investments PJS (Aabar), the Minister of Finance (Incorporated) Malaysia (MoF Inc.) and 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB) are pleased to announce that an agreement has been reached between all parties that provides for a settlement in respect to the arbitration proceedings at the London Court of International Arbitration (the Settlement). The agreement is conditional on the Arbitration Tribunal making a consent award by 31 May 2017.

Under the terms of the Settlement, IPIC will receive an amount of US$602,725,000 by 31 July 2017 and a further amount of US$602,725,000 by 31 December 2017.

Separately, 1MDB and MoF Inc., undertake to IPIC to assume responsibility for all future interest and principal payments under the two bonds issued by 1MDB Group companies that are guaranteed by 1MDB and IPIC; (i) US$1,750,000,000 fixed rate 5.75 per cent. notes due 2022 issued by 1MDB Energy (Langat) Limited and (ii) US$1,750,000,000 fixed rate 5.99 per cent. notes due 2022 issued by 1MDB Energy Limited.

The parties have provided suitable undertakings and indemnities in respect of the performance of obligations under the Settlement.

The parties have also agreed to enter into good faith discussions in relation to payments made by 1MDB Group to certain entities.


and the last sentence, IPIC does not recognize aabar (BVI) as theirs since they call it certain entities and not IPIC's subsidiary Aabar Investments PJS (BVI)...

yeah I agree this deserves a different tered, but as if you wanna participate...

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post Aug 16 2017, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(darthboyzzee @ Aug 15 2017, 10:38 PM)
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Saudi bina hotel terbesar dunia di Mekah dengan helipad diraja
Published: Tuesday, 15 August 2017

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DUBAI: Arab Saudi akan menyambung semula projek pembinaan hotel terbesar dunia, Abraj Kudai yang bernilai AS$3.5 bilion (RM15 bilion) di Mekah selepas ia dihentikan pada 2015 akibat kekangan kewangan.

Apabila siap nanti, Abraj Kudai akan mempunyai kira-kira 10,000 bilik, 70 restoran, beberapa tapak pendaratan helikopter dan seksyen khas yang disediakan untuk keluarga diraja Arab Saudi.

Pelan yang diperbaharui untuk projek yang dibiayai kerajaan itu menjadi isyarat kepada Riyadh sekali lagi bersedia menaja projek pembangunan ekonomi strategik seperti pelancongan dan sebagai rangsangan untuk Kumpulan Saudi Binladin, syarikat yang mengetuai pembinaan.

Saudi Binladin, salah satu konglomerat pembinaan terbesar negara terjejas dengan kemerosotan dalam sektor pembinaan selepas harga minyak merudum yang mengurangkan pendapatan eksport Arab Saudi dan memaksa kerajaan mengamalkan penjimatan.

Sub kontraktor diminta mengemukakan cadangan harga kepada Saudi Binladin pada pertengahan September, kata sumber yang enggan dinamakan kepada Reuters.

“Lebih jelas mengenai kewangannya, kerajaan memperuntukkan sebahagian bajetnya untuk menyelesaikan projek utama,” kata seorang eksekutif Kumpulan Binladin kepada Reuters.

Jurucakap kumpulan itu tidak dapat dihubungi untuk mendapatkan komen dan Kementerian Kewangan enggan mengulas lanjut.

Kumpulan Saudi Binladin dianggarkan oleh pihak bank mempunyai hutang kira-kira AS$30 bilion dan awal tahun ini pemiutang bersetuju untuk melanjutkan kemudahan kredit Islam bernilai 4 bilion riyal (RM4.6 bilion) untuk membayar kerja pembinaan Masjidil Haram di Mekah.

“Kementerian Kewangan mengambil peranan utama dalam projek hotel … Ini positif bagi sektor perbankan,” kata salah satu bank Arab Saudi kepada Reuters.

Kewangan kerajaan Saudi agak kukuh tahun ini kerana harga minyak sederhana-tinggi dan pemotongan kos. Defisit belanjawan negara menyusut kepada 46.5 bilion riyal (RM53 bilion) dalam tempoh April hingga Jun daripada kira-kira 58.4 bilion riyal setahun lalu, menurut data Kementerian Kewangan pada Ahad.

Kerajaan berminat mewujudkan pekerjaan dan mengurangkan pergantungannya kepada sektor minyak dengan membangunkan industri seperti pelancongan, khususnya pelancongan Islam.

Musim Haji menarik kira-kira 2 juta jemaah haji ke Mekah dan rancangan pelan pembaharuan ekonomi kerajaan membayangkan peningkatan jumlah itu kepada 2.5 juta pada 2020.

Tarikh pembukaan Abraj Kudai belum disahkan, tetapi sumber mengatakan ia akan mengambil masa sekurang-kurangnya dua setengah tahun untuk disiapkan. - Reuters/FMT

http://www.sarawakiana.net/2017/08/saudi-b...r-dunia-di.html
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QUOTE(helpful @ Aug 15 2017, 10:55 PM)
This only CONFIRMS SAUDI was BROKE prior to Year 2015 !
And it talks about GOING TO CONTINUE the construction

And does ANYBODY think those Bangladeshi / Pakistanis / Egyptians / Labanese citizens whom had to leave Saudi EMPTY HANDED ( no salary when forced to leave Saudi . Does anybody believe they will be willingly be SUCKERS again )
Further European expats are also caught in the Saudi meltdown ---- I don't think they will return !
Common knowledge Saudi is BROKE and that's WHY they are trying to IPO their Aramco Saudi oil & gas company !
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lulz darthboyzzee kena setepek. maklumlah kopi pes je, takpayah baca.

and that's why King Salman toured Malaysia/Indonesia/etc. earlier this year, he was asking for 'commitment' from the countries he visited.

in the form of buying up shares of Saudi Aramco when it's going to be listed...

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post Aug 16 2017, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 16 2017, 12:37 AM)
well, this is where u wrong..its really got to do with strong Malaysia-Saudi relationship & the generous+privilege Saudi gave to Muslim in Malaysia when we come to Saudi Arabis especially Makkah & Madinah..its a Muslim brotherhood thingy,msomething u will never understand as u are not a Muslim anyway..there are no problem with Saudi gave donation to Najib to his personal account as there's no connection to any kickback whatsoever (even u also cant proof that Saudi ask something in return in terms of kickbacks/gomen contracts/etc2), only our determination to support Saudi in fighting Muslim extremist..nope, u will not understand this at all..

yesss yessss

keep on laughing

make a bigger meme jpeg

thats not big enough

it shud be bigger

bnetter if u put MUSLIM or MALAY MUSLIM in the middle of it..then i will help u spread ur laughing message to malay muslim community to show that this is what Malay muslim will get when they vote Pakatan..Malay Muslim relationship with Saudi official will be at jeopardy & we may also lost most if not all of the privileges that Saudi once gave to us before especially Hajj thingy becos u resemble what Pakatan Harapan is & what Pakatan Harapan will offer..

please, go ahead

any bigger laughing picture u have? thats not big enough
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oh please.

you really believe that muslim brotherhood thing?

(no not that muslim botherhood or ikhwanul muslimin for those of you who think keown83 here is talking about the very muslim brotherhood/ikhwanul muslimin that the Saudis actually hate so much they are boycotting Qatar bcos they claim Qatar are supporting Ikhwanul Muslimin).

the haj quota was raised not bcos of "our muslim brotherhood" with Saudi, but bcos they finished the construction that limited the no. of pilgrims.

ALL COUNTRIES had their hajj quota slashed, only this year they raised it back to original level.

yes Malaysia got a few thousand extra.

but India (yes the Hindu majority country India) got even more compared to us.

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and while we (Malaysian GLC aka Prasarana) get the contract to manage that MRT system connecting Makkah to Musdalifah/Mina/Arafah, unfortunately our own pilgrims can't even use it bcos the Saudis only allow their people to use it.

so much for muslim brotherhood.
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QUOTE(darthboyzzee @ Aug 16 2017, 09:55 PM)
Setepek amendenya? Ada aku cakap apa2 dalam post aku? Aku kopy je pun salah ke? whistling.gif
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it's ok, comprehension wasn't your strong suite anyway...
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 16 2017, 08:57 AM)
thats why i said u didnt understand Muslim opinion about this donation, nor did u understand the relationship malay muslim had with saudi

u are too naive to understand it..thats why its very hard for u to believe that many muslim dun have any problem when saudi donated money to najib

even Malay Pakatan politician wont dare to politicise to the max this donation thingy towards malay community as they know the backlash from malay community they will received if they didnt careful

ur meme is not big enough

dun u have any bigger laugh meme? the bigger the better
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Adel al Jubeir said it was donation:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/...enuine-donation

but Prince Sultan ibn Salman Abdulaziz said he has no background on this and refused to comment further:

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/no-b...94-saudi-prince

meanwhile the money actually came from Falcon Bank of Singapore and Tanore Finance.

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if it's really donation the Saudi govt. will give it to a proper trust account and not personal account la...

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Aug 16 2017, 09:58 AM)
told u already its the muslim brotherhood thingy & malaysia who has a long relationship with special privilege from saudi knew exactly how saudi is & how to deal with saudi

thats why most malay muslim doesnt think its an issue when saudi admitted that they did donate to najib..its how saudi did to malaysia & to any other saudi friendly  countries & leaders around the globe

how many saudi wanna give & to whom? its up to saudi to decide, its their money anyway
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well if you claim like this, means our 'special privilege' will end, since the Qatari Emir will make a state visit soon.


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