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peja5081
post Jul 31 2017, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 31 2017, 09:07 AM)
hi, if you compare old non-assisted steering vs assisted, you would realize it's harder to turn an assisted steering when the assist is not functioning compared to old cars, because when you turn, you not just have to turn the wheels itself but also what ever assist pump/motor connected to your steering. more resistance = harder to turn.

new cars have drive by wire system, but some cars like infiniti has a backup hydraulic system in case the electric system fails.
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Yes i did drive viva without power steering before.i would say viva still can steer easier compare to my persona without power steering.maybe becouse of body weight.have to try 2 time to take corner around shoplot lol.lucky xcident at night,so no car around.and yes its very2 heavy.even pomen also suprise i drive to the workshop and suggest me take tow truck next time.
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post Jul 31 2017, 09:41 AM

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post Jul 31 2017, 09:47 AM

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post Jul 31 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Jul 31 2017, 09:50 AM)
heavier than faulty hydraulic steering ?
drive using a spannar will be not feel heavy

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almost as heavy as an iswara with a faulty power steering pump
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 31 2017, 09:03 AM)
possible mechanic poured in wrong grade of fluid during change for both Steering & ABS causing damage to the pump.

or some electric component like fuse blew resulting loss of assistance on both steering & brake.
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It was the alternator fault last time, steering lost assistance and everytime the steering is turned left or right whilst being heavy, it would judder and at the same time screen will pop up ABS/ASR faulty
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Jul 31 2017, 10:06 AM)
i remember the first batch iswara has no power steering
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my 1994 taxi specs iswara 1.5 ada power steering
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jul 31 2017, 10:07 AM)
It was the alternator fault last time, steering lost assistance and everytime the steering is turned left or right whilst being heavy, it would judder and at the same time screen will pop up ABS/ASR faulty
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kalau honda, battery terminal tak ketat pun EPS akan fail
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(salacious fictitious @ Jul 31 2017, 12:40 AM)
this is what happen when all Malaysia choose berukdua
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(carsalesperson @ Jul 31 2017, 01:09 AM)
Use your brain to think
EPS even when the power is gone, it's still function like those old saga or Kancil. It's heavy when stationary but light once u got up to speed

The brake also die ?
Come-on, the brake is using Hydraulic, no way it would malfunction without leaking oil.

Another assumption, slamp brake hard and the tyre lock
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If you have an electrical issue that stops the motor from functioning, it will be hard to steer and when it's unexpected, may cause driver to think that the steering has locked and you don't need mush time before he slams into something. Also, the same power failure might cause the ABS pump to stop requiring conscious effort to brake because the pedal would sink lower giving the impression that it's not working
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:23 AM

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post Jul 31 2017, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jul 31 2017, 09:40 AM)
Yes i did drive viva without power steering before.i would say viva still can steer easier compare to my persona without power steering.maybe becouse of body weight.have to try 2 time to take corner around shoplot lol.lucky xcident at night,so no car around.and yes its very2 heavy.even pomen also suprise i drive to the workshop and suggest me take tow truck next time.
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ur persona got power steering? because like i said cars with faulty power steering will be harder to steer than cars without power steering.
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:25 AM

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post Jul 31 2017, 10:27 AM

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post Jul 31 2017, 10:35 AM

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post Jul 31 2017, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 31 2017, 10:24 AM)
ur persona got power steering? because like i said cars with faulty power steering will be harder to steer than cars without power steering.
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Ofcoz persona got.got into xcident and broke the tank
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(alien13579 @ Jul 31 2017, 09:19 AM)
there is a reason why proton dnt wanna go for EPS, and only implement EPS into their car now
this isn't the 1st case a p2 car crash because of its faulty EPS already
yet p2 say their EPS no problem laugh.gif

i personally dnt like EPS as well...specifically due to problem like this and the fact that it will make the steering no feeling at all
u dnt feel like you're controlling the car when the steering is EPS
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Unfortunately all new cars today all EPS...

Love my fake Lancer Hydraulic power steering.

Old skool is da best!!! rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jul 31 2017, 10:38 AM)
Ofcoz persona got.got into xcident and broke the tank
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that is what i say the persona will feel heavier if the power steering broke not just because of weight but also the extra dead load on the pump etc.
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post Jul 31 2017, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 31 2017, 10:41 AM)
Unfortunately all new cars today all EPS...

Love my fake Lancer Hydraulic power steering.

Old skool is da best!!! rclxm9.gif
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hands down hydraulic wins
dat feel when u steer it, EPS is just no feeling at all
toyota one, so soft can even steer using pinky

not to mention hydraulics are reliable

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post Jul 31 2017, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(alien13579 @ Jul 31 2017, 10:45 AM)
hands down hydraulic wins
dat feel when u steer it, EPS is just no feeling at all
toyota one, so soft can even steer using pinky

not to mention hydraulics are reliable
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I like EPS more

- can vary assistance according speed , super light for parking , heavier for highway
- no grinding , whining at full lock
- no oil and pump drag on engine , rubber hoses that crack and leak after a while
- lane keep assistance as comfort feature on long highway drives , no need keep making corrections to stay in lane
- more expensive EPS can even have variable ratio , parking one turn lock to lock , highway more turns
- more horsepower , less drag on engine


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post Jul 31 2017, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jul 31 2017, 10:50 AM)
I like EPS more

- can vary assistance according speed , super light  for parking , heavier for highway
- no grinding , whining at full lock
- no oil and pump drag on engine , rubber hoses that crack and leak after a while
- lane keep assistance  as comfort feature on long highway drives , no need keep making corrections to stay in lane
- more expensive EPS can even have variable ratio , parking one turn lock to lock , highway more turns
- more horsepower , less drag on engine
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i know hydraulic vs EPS has their own pros and cons
ultimately i still prefer hydraulics over EPS
it just doesn't have that feel when you're steering it laugh.gif
and if its done right, alignment is correct, lane keep on highway can be comfort and no correction needed as well
proton is the prime example of hydraulic steering done right
now their EPS also not bad based on review

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